Is is idiot day today?

[Danae]

yeah i'm bored...

but seriously, everyone on the road, even pedestrians, seem to be on a whole new level of stupid today. I only commute from Mt Eden to Uni, but I came across more idiots today than I have the whole of last week. Maybe the Stupid Convention is in town. One golden moment was as I was turning into cp36 a van had parked across the entrance and seemed to be turning out; they were certainly moving that way. Remembering auckland drivers can be IDIOTS i approached the entrance around the back of the van cautiously and lo and behold, she starts to reverse into me. So i stop and wait, my bike's ass sticking out into the road, while she performs some sort of ridiculous 32-point turn. I don't want to continue around her as she keeps reversing, so i have to wait. Eventually she gets out of the way.

Pedestrians seem borderline suicidal. I had to rev my little FXR as loud as i could to get them out of the way coming down albert st.

And for once the computer building labs were full. I have to contend with the brain-exploding combination of vista + mac. This space bar is driving me nuts. I keep accidentally right-clicking (i mean, ffs, if you're going to give up and stick a right-click function in there, at least separate the fucking buttons).

KB needs moar drama. I'm fucking bored. Yet i still have compsci shit to do.

[PirateJafa]

Is is idiot day today?

Must be - you can't even put together a coherent sentence.

[Real_Wolf]

I had the fun one. Was following behind a nice sv1000 turning right onto grafton from symonds, and he was a bit slow off the lights, went round, me behind him, then this gruop of asians was walking towards the center line, as they do, quite high up unusually, and they stopped. Then they started walking into his line, and I was to his right so definetely in my line. Then stopped, then moved forward, then sorta moved back a bit, stopped. They were about 1/4 of the actual lane, not including the car space on the left, from the centerline

[Ixion]

Idiot day ? Hang on, let me check. Yep, Monday. There's an 'a' in the name , so it's an idiot day sho 'nuff.

[Danae]

Must be - you can't even put together a coherent sentence.

i blame this retarded mac keyboard.

[EJK]

It's just Three-Thirtyitus...

[mister.koz]

its been idiot week as far as i have seen on the road... had some fool in a pergeot trying to race me to whanga (in my cage) racing like all bollocks to corners, overcooking them and then slowing down to 30 after them... madness! If ya can't drive quickly.... don't :weird:

2 second rule extends to the 10 second + confused look rule....

Must be the weather, the spin on the planets or perhaps we are just becoming more aware and they've been there the whole time...

[Danae]

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I think we all need some of this

[Ragingrob]

Today was a good commuting day, average speed of all traffic flow in fast lane was up near 115kph, as opposed to sitting behind someone in the right hand lane at 95kph. Makes my trip that much more friendly, didn't even have to lane split today.

[Dealer]

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I think we all need some of this

Whats that? cream of Sumyunguy?

[StoneY]

Could just be Jaffa lands turn, it was Welly 'idiots afternoon' last week
In 200meters, from my park at work heading homeon Friday I had:

HIT one pedestrian who ran past the front of a stationary bus into a lane that had green light (yes, knocked the silly pratt off his feet too- 30 minutes lost reporting the circumstances to the plod)-

Barely missed 2 others within 30 seconds of leaving that scene- (all runnning accross multi lanes in rush hour)

Saw a scooter rider go up the ass of a VW Combi van (like she couldnt see that MOUNTAIN of german steel in her path? sheesh)

All within 200m of my bike park

Yep---jaffa lands turn today i guess

[Danae]

Auckland has idiots on the road every day. But today more than most.


Whats that? cream of Sumyunguy?

Naw, Yoneiboscat

[Ryan432]

I had the fun one. Was following behind a nice sv1000 turning right onto grafton from symonds, and he was a bit slow off the lights, went round, me behind him, then this gruop of asians was walking towards the center line, as they do, quite high up unusually, and they stopped. Then they started walking into his line, and I was to his right so definetely in my line. Then stopped, then moved forward, then sorta moved back a bit, stopped. They were about 1/4 of the actual lane, not including the car space on the left, from the centerline

haha that was me trying to rearange my wallet so it was no longer digging into my tender man bits! (must remember no to wear such tight jeans when riding)

yea its like they saw us, stopped then decided to make a break for it but then chicken out half way through and stopped in the middle of our lane!

[HungusMaximist]

Don't worry Danae.

That's Auckland for you everyday.

It's a question of leverage and respect, you just got to weigh the scales towards yourself. Getting a bigger and taller bike like Steveos does help.

Just ride carefully, I wouldn't worry too much, just remember the golden rule, everybody is out there to kill you.

[CookMySock]

...everyone on the road, even pedestrians, seem to be on a whole new level of stupid today.Maybe its you having a whole new level of brilliance? Go do something meaningful! quick! :eek:

Steve

[ital916]

yeah i'm bored...

but seriously, everyone on the road, even pedestrians, seem to be on a whole new level of stupid today. I only commute from Mt Eden to Uni, but I came across more idiots today than I have the whole of last week. Maybe the Stupid Convention is in town. One golden moment was as I was turning into cp36 a van had parked across the entrance and seemed to be turning out; they were certainly moving that way. Remembering auckland drivers can be IDIOTS i approached the entrance around the back of the van cautiously and lo and behold, she starts to reverse into me. So i stop and wait, my bike's ass sticking out into the road, while she performs some sort of ridiculous 32-point turn. I don't want to continue around her as she keeps reversing, so i have to wait. Eventually she gets out of the way.

Pedestrians seem borderline suicidal. I had to rev my little FXR as loud as i could to get them out of the way coming down albert st.

And for once the computer building labs were full. I have to contend with the brain-exploding combination of vista + mac. This space bar is driving me nuts. I keep accidentally right-clicking (i mean, ffs, if you're going to give up and stick a right-click function in there, at least separate the fucking buttons).

KB needs moar drama. I'm fucking bored. Yet i still have compsci shit to do.

Danae, you are my friend so dont take this the wrong way, but it could be the way you are riding. Try slowing down, observing a little more and see if that makes a difference. Remember that bikes can be hard to see, so make yourself seen and ride defensively.

I've seen you almost get taken out by a reversing car before, in that situation you may have thought it was the cars fault, but the speed you were going was too quick for the situation at hand. A bit slower and with eyes open you would have seen the driver looking around and starting to inch out. All they would have seen was clear and then you came zooming up.

Remember we are all learners, when you think you've got the hang of it is when shit happens. You've been on the fixxer only a few months so take it easy!

Remember, slow down in crowded and busy areas, eyes open and check your surroundings. Get a mentor, better yet go for some one on one rides with stephen, get him to watch your riding and help you out.

[Danae]

Danae, you are my friend so dont take this the wrong way, but it could be the way you are riding...

...Get a mentor, better yet go for some one on one rides with stephen, get him to watch your riding and help you out.

Yep that carpark one was a doozy. I was riding too close to the parked cars also.

My new black helmet doesn't help with visibility.

Yerp I'll watch my speed (no matter how off the FXR speedo is)

[ital916]

Yep that carpark one was a doozy. I was riding too close to the parked cars also.

My new black helmet doesn't help with visibility.

Yerp I'll watch my speed (no matter how off the FXR speedo is)

Dont be silly, dont expect a helmet to increase your visiblity. If a car hasnt seen the motorcycle, you and the headlight then they wont see your helmet.

Just ride like no one has seen you and you will be sweet. If you want I will be happy to do some one on one rides with you. Im not an expert or an instructor or a mentor but I can give you a third persons view of your riding and if you are doing any major no no's.

[Danae]

Im not an expert or an instructor or a mentor but I can give you a third persons view of your riding and if you are doing any major no no's.

Cool! I'm always wondering what my riding's like, on group rides (from chiller, NASS etc) I keep forgetting to ask the others how my riding looks.

If we're going somewhere after the chiller on friday I'd be glad for you guys to spot anything I'm doing wrong!

[Ixion]

You have a lot to learn . First rule, it is physically impossible for a guy to make meaningful observations of a chick's sprotsbike riding capability. Because, if he is riding ahead of said chick, he cannot see how she rides (duh).

And if he rides behind, he will not notice the riding at all, all his attention will be focused elsewhere. Later , if taxed , he may vaguely remember that there was a motorbike involved somehow.

This does not apply to scrotahs , for obvious reasons. Probably not to crusiers either. Just sprotsbikes.

[mattian]

its been idiot week as far as i have seen on the road... had some fool in a pergeot trying to race me to whanga (in my cage) racing like all bollocks to corners,

hehe.... its only a race if you're racing him back :spanking:

[metalhead]

i got hit by a car who was reversing once, ofcourse i was stopped at the time

[mister.koz]

hehe.... its only a race if you're racing him back :spanking:

I was driving fairly quickly but it wasn't because of him! Was going to have a coffee with my mum :D

I lost him in the end, caught a slower car on one of the "only if you know the road" passing spots and they obviously didn't know the other ones hehe.

Was quite nerve racking tho, just pootling along at my cosy speed and some idiot (who wouldn't pass when i tried to let them) cornering badly and driving up my arse for most of the way... would have been better if i was on the 10, i could have dusted him and got on with riding...

[jono035]

I was driving fairly quickly but it wasn't because of him! Was going to have a coffee with my mum :D

I lost him in the end, caught a slower car on one of the "only if you know the road" passing spots and they obviously didn't know the other ones hehe.

Was quite nerve racking tho, just pootling along at my cosy speed and some idiot (who wouldn't pass when i tried to let them) cornering badly and driving up my arse for most of the way... would have been better if i was on the 10, i could have dusted him and got on with riding...

Yeah, I've had that a few times when driving up to the Bay of Islands. I do that drive a lot so I'm quite familiar with the roads. Nothing worse than being stuck behind someone who speeds away from you on the straights but trickles through the corners so slow that you keep running up behind them.

[skinman]

my 2c
wear fluro vests. I ride south auck. very bad drivers here. number of near misses went down noticably with said armarni suit on.:eek:

[motorbyclist]

Dont be silly, dont expect a helmet to increase your visiblity.

Statistics say that a white helmet is 50% more visible.... your helmet sticks up over cars when your headlight is hidden behind obstacles gives it an extra advantage.


I'd believe it too - especially at night.

[ital916]

Statistics say that a white helmet is 50% more visible.... your helmet sticks up over cars when your headlight is hidden behind obstacles gives it an extra advantage.


I'd believe it too - especially at night.

Dear god, your not a statistics person are you andrew? You can make statistics prove whatever you want if you go about it the right way.

When I ride, I dont expect helmets to help get me seen, I dont expect anything to help get me seen and ride accordingly.

[mister.koz]

Statistics say that a white helmet is 50% more visible.... your helmet sticks up over cars when your headlight is hidden behind obstacles gives it an extra advantage.


I'd believe it too - especially at night.

70% of statistics are made up on the spot :shifty:

I have had a whole lot of people completely not see me on my hi-vis kwaka's. If fluorescent green doesn't help then how can a white helmet make any difference?

I know a white helmet is more visible but i don't reckon it would make allot of difference because people see threats more than colour, i.e. that bus thats road coloured is more obvious than that bike that has flashing neons.

Get loud pipes!

[Danae]

I have heard of a triangulation thing. For example, a train will have three headlights set in a triangle. This makes it more noticable somehow. Perhaps a white helmet + double headlights produces this triangle effect and you become more visible.

[crazyhorse]

I thought everyday was idiot day...... man, where have I been :laugh::laugh::laugh: :rofl:

[Badjelly]

Statistics say that a white helmet is 50% more visible


70% of statistics are made up on the spot

But not motorbyclist's surely! Come MB, where did you get it?

(I actually care about this stuff.)

[mister.koz]

But not motorbyclist's surely! Come MB, where did you get it?

(I actually care about this stuff.)

I care too. i got a fairly loud helmet, i would think that a bright and slightly detailed helmet would be more obvious than a plain white one.. :confused:

[PirateJafa]

I care too. i got a fairly loud helmet, i would think that a bright and slightly detailed helmet would be more obvious than a plain white one.. :confused:

I would think that a detailed helmet would fade into the background "clutter".

Plus of course, cops have white helmets - a friend of mine who rides a ex-Police BMW with a white helmet says that other road users are incredibly courteous to him when he's on it - to the point where they're nearly causing other crashes by giving way where technically they have right of way etc.

[mister.koz]

I would think that a detailed helmet would fade into the background "clutter".

Plus of course, cops have white helmets - a friend of mine who rides a ex-Police BMW with a white helmet says that other road users are incredibly courteous to him when he's on it - to the point where they're nearly causing other crashes by giving way where technically they have right of way etc.

There's so many arguments in all directions about helmet and gear colour... Which is why i am going for loud pipes and more awareness/training :), just because they can't see me doesn't mean i need to be in a place where that puts me at risk.

Lets face it ignorance and idiocy are the biggest threats on the road and a great portion of the people on the road are blissfully unaware that they are ignorant idiots. Staying out of harm's way is more important than teaching idiots how to see you on the road.

[ital916]

70% of statistics are made up on the spot :shifty:

I have had a whole lot of people completely not see me on my hi-vis kwaka's. If fluorescent green doesn't help then how can a white helmet make any difference?

I know a white helmet is more visible but i don't reckon it would make allot of difference because people see threats more than colour, i.e. that bus thats road coloured is more obvious than that bike that has flashing neons.

Get loud pipes!

You know that 70% thing is made up, tis the sweet irony of the whole sentence Nobody knows how many stats are made up. Thats the beauty of statistics, you can get away with anything.

[mister.koz]

You know that 70% thing is made up, tis the sweet irony of the whole sentence Nobody knows how many stats are made up. Thats the beauty of statistics, you can get away with anything.

Hehe yeah which is why i preferred calculus and other real mathematical doctrines.

[ital916]

But not motorbyclist's surely! Come MB, where did you get it?

(I actually care about this stuff.)

The thing about what MB (andrew) has said is

"statistics say white helmets are 50% more visible" NOT that "statistics say that white helmets increase visibility of the motorcyclist".

It is like saying "statistics say apples are more green than oranges", that has no connection to the statement "apples make me more visible when walking down the street"

Get it?

Nice try MB but that has no relevance to the argument at hand.

[ital916]

Hehe yeah which is why i preferred calculus and other real mathematical doctrines.

Mmmm calculus. I remember working on an equation once that took up an entire blackboard.

Made me feel like I was in a sci-fi movie, racing to save the world. :laugh:

[mister.koz]

Mmmm calculus. I remember working on an equation once that took up an entire blackboard.

Made me feel like I was in a sci-fi movie, racing to save the world. :laugh:

Ha! i wish, i got huddled in the "that dude who's not behind and therefore doesn't need help or teaching" corner <_<

[ManDownUnder]

Every day is idiot day in KB! It's just the number and depth of retardation that varies.

[Danae]

Ha! i wish, i got huddled in the "that dude who's not behind and therefore doesn't need help or teaching" corner <_<

I was in the group that "were so behind that i can't be fucked teaching them"

[motorbyclist]

I dont expect anything to help get me seen and ride accordingly.

wouldn't doing everthing you can to decrease the odds of you not being seen still be a common sense measure to decrease your chances of being in an accident? basic stuff like road positioning etc!

and wtf!? your helmet has a bloody target on the back of it! how is that NOT a way to be seen:laugh:


But not motorbyclist's surely! Come MB, where did you get it?

(I actually care about this stuff.)

was in my road code, which would make it a LTSA (or whatever they're called now) statistic. I'll try find the source for you.



Lets face it ignorance and idiocy are the biggest threats on the road and a great portion of the people on the road are blissfully unaware that they are ignorant idiots. Staying out of harm's way is more important than teaching idiots how to see you on the road.

+1

The thing about what MB (andrew) has said is

"statistics say white helmets are 50% more visible" NOT that "statistics say that white helmets increase visibility of the motorcyclist".

It is like saying "statistics say apples are more green than oranges", that has no connection to the statement "apples make me more visible when walking down the street"

Get it?

Nice try MB but that has no relevance to the argument at hand.

wtf? do you really expect me to rmember the exact wording?

I'll try find the exact wording for you - it may have been that white helmet wearers were 50% less likely to be knocked off their bike, which if the case i will check they investigated that riding style and plain white helmets may have a correlation

now stop trolling, half-hat

[jono035]

wouldn't doing everthing you can to decrease the odds of you not being seen still be a common sense measure to decrease your chances of being in an accident? basic stuff like road positioning etc!

and wtf!? your helmet has a bloody target on the back of it! how is that NOT a way to be seen:laugh:



was in my road code, which would make it a LTSA (or whatever they're called now) statistic. I'll try find the source for you.



+1


wtf? do you really expect me to rmember the exact wording?

I'll try find the exact wording for you - it may have been that white helmet wearers were 50% less likely to be knocked off their bike, which if the case i will check they investigated that riding style and plain white helmets may have a correlation

now stop trolling, half-hat

Post hoc ergo propter hoc or something.

correllation != causation.

Maybe it has nothing to do with helmet colour, maybe it is simply that people who buy white helmets are more likely to be concerned over safety and are therefore more cautious riders?

Statistics... Gotta love em.

[motorbyclist]

I'll try find the exact wording for you - it may have been that white helmet wearers were 50% less likely to be knocked off their bike, which if the case i will check they investigated that riding style and plain white helmets may have a correlation




Maybe it has nothing to do with helmet colour, maybe it is simply that people who buy white helmets are more likely to be concerned over safety and are therefore more cautious riders?

Statistics... Gotta love em.

could've atleast trimmed some of the fat while you were repeating me

statistics on their own are useless. when presented as part of a report on an in depth analysis they can be invaluable.




I might mention, while riding with danae, she stood out far more with the white than black helmet. so there.

[Cheshire Cat]

If you can't be seen be heard :D

[Danae]

:niceone: Booyah. But again I lose cos I don't have a white helmet anymore :laugh:

[Cheshire Cat]

I might mention, while riding with danae....fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap

Yah..hah :laugh::shutup:

[Squiggles]

Im doing Stats 101, therefore i am awesome.

[ital916]

I might mention, while riding with danae, she stood out far more with the white than black helmet. so there.

Of course she will, you know her, you are riding with her and you are shagging her. Of course she is going to stand out to you in a queue of vehicles.....:laugh:

Me...Im not trolling, I take it anything that doesnt agree with you is trolling. If you are quoting stats to prove your point, quote them properly otherwise it is not a quote it is just you pulling some shit out of your arse.

You seem a bit defensive, it could be becuase of your mute points or the fact that your "I know everything" bullshit veils has become transparent.

Mind you I'm not saying that white helmets dont have an affect, just that their affect is minimal at best. You know the old saying, "when a butterfly flaps its wings..."

Ooh lets discuss chaos theory, Im sure andrew knows heaps about that too.

[ital916]

I would think that a detailed helmet would fade into the background "clutter".

Plus of course, cops have white helmets - a friend of mine who rides a ex-Police BMW with a white helmet says that other road users are incredibly courteous to him when he's on it - to the point where they're nearly causing other crashes by giving way where technically they have right of way etc.

I think we could just be programmed to instictively notice the coppers and then make right arses of ourselves.....just a theory :laugh:

[Squiggles]

You seem a bit defensive, it could be becuase of your mute points or the fact that your "I know everything" bullshit veils has become transparent.

-5 points from your argument :laugh:

[motorbyclist]

Me...Im not trolling, I take it anything that doesnt agree with you is trolling.

no, persisting in making a right ass of yourself (to the point of changing your name) and dragging us all into arguments over pedantics without any concept of simplification and implication, in several threads, is trolling. The sudden nature of it recently also brings about the conclusion as it can't be attributed to your normal behaviour.....

heck you've even made the golden rule of abandoning the original issue at hand and resorted to bringing personal insults into this



If you are quoting stats to prove your point, quote them properly otherwise it is not a quote it is just you pulling some shit out of your arse.

I thought what i "quoted" (note the quotation marks for an actual quote) would be reasonably taken as evidence for evidence that white helmets do improve rider visibility. And have since offered to locate teh source, AND admitted that there are many obvious confounders for such a statistic



You seem a bit defensive, it could be becuase of your moot points or the fact that your "I know everything" bullshit veils has become transparent.

or it's because i'm defending what i said, which is typically what i do when i beleive i'm correct. Do you honestly think i just made up that statistic?

You're being quite aggressive, is it because you've realised we both look like asshats right now and want to shift it onto me by undermining my credibility, or because you're trolling? Here i'll counter it by throwing some nice terms i learnt in PHIL105g - straw man and false dilemma arguments; you used both of them and they are both false :P

and i do know everything - or at least keep quiet when i dont so as to maintain the illusion ;)


oooh and here comes a concession! (sp?) makes us seem reasonable and whatnot (and see there me implying you aren't being, which is typical of a troll from both our sides)


Mind you I'm not saying that white helmets dont have an affect, just that their affect is minimal at best. You know the old saying, "when a butterfly flaps its wings..."


"Dont be silly, dont expect a helmet to increase your visiblity. If a car hasnt seen the motorcycle, you and the headlight then they wont see your helmet."

a minimal effect or a negligible effect, you still meant that it wasn't worth the effort. Statistics from either ACC or LTSA (still finding them; danae has my roadcode) suggest otherwise and I put that forward.

so wtf are you raving on about a butterfly for? you mean that it might somehow add up or.... wtf? I'd concede that if one throws enough shit at a wall, some of it might stick, but if that shit isn't sticky you may as well not bother. You said shit wasn't sticky - i think it is.


followed by another personal attack!


Ooh lets discuss chaos theory, Im sure andrew knows heaps about that too.
not in any depth whatsoever.

I do, from time to time, you may notice, admit when i'm wrong or that i'm speculating, or repeating information i've acquired that isnt 1st hand.

I also tend to simplify complicated explanations, and use terminology that isn't necessarily accurate in a technical sense but is adequate in laymans terms. It's just easier.

[motorbyclist]

I tell you what, old chap; this bait is delicious!

[Phurrball]

-5 points from your argument :laugh:

-5 is all too meagre a deduction.

'Tis mangling of the most egregious sort...

I'd call it Dinglish, but the Germans already created such a mishappen beast...

EDIT - thread title is apt.

[ital916]

no..yada,yada,.....It's just easier.

I believe the personal attacks began in the other thread when you said I would be jealous of you or something.

Also, the half hat refers to previous heated debate.

Pot...kettle...black, andrew.

You also resort to the odd personal attack here and there too, so dont be a hypocrite.

[ital916]

-5 is all too meagre a deduction.

'Tis mangling of the most egregious sort...

I'd call it Dinglish, but the Germans already created such a mishappen beast...

EDIT - thread title is apt.

Ahhh ross enters discussion. We should start a thread about what comic characters we would be. You would be dr manhattan.

[ital916]

You're being quite aggressive, is it because you've realised we both look like asshats right now and want to shift it onto me by undermining my credibility, or because you're trolling? Here i'll counter it by throwing some nice terms i learnt in PHIL105g - straw man and false dilemma arguments; you used both of them and they are both false :P


Andrew, I dont mind looking like an "asshat", the day the club stops bickering is the day something is horribly wrong. Well if I could remember all the stuff from critical thinking I could probably write the perfect argument....lets see if I can find my phil105g book...must be here somewhere.

[mister.koz]

So this simple thread descends into a not-related personal debate.

Trolling 101:

Avitars/Screen names are aliases, use peoples first name to belittle them in the eyes of on-lookers.
Quoting specific points that are in contradiction as a verbatim statement is nice and undermining without a point or intent to be countered.
Cast a target's words in a specific way that can call out intention that doesn't exist and further undermine the person.
When all else fails do the internet bully thing and say your going to go around to their house.
And lastly opinions can't be compared, proven or waged as a score, they can only be expressed, accepted and refuted - telling someone they are wrong will annoy them and they will forget that you have no foundation and then they will simply argue - makes them look like the bad guy.


I reckon (after reading allot of opinions on this) that white helmets are a bit more visible but careful and skillful riding is paramount because the most dangerous people on the road are probably too stupid to register a neon sign let alone a white helmet, all they notice is the bus that bigger than they are.

Not to mention that carelessness and apathy often befalls people and they sometimes simply don't look, indicate, break, etc etc.

With apathy and ignorance you could be plastered high-vis or not.

Why not be visible as well as cautious?

[ital916]

So this simple thread descends into a not-related personal debate.

Trolling 101:

Avitars/Screen names are aliases, use peoples first name to belittle them in the eyes of on-lookers.
Quoting specific points that are in contradiction as a verbatim statement is nice and undermining without a point or intent to be countered.
Cast a target's words in a specific way that can call out intention that doesn't exist and further undermine the person.
When all else fails do the internet bully thing and say your going to go around to their house.
And lastly opinions can't be compared, proven or waged as a score, they can only be expressed, accepted and refuted - telling someone they are wrong will annoy them and they will forget that you have no foundation and then they will simply argue - makes them look like the bad guy.


I reckon (after reading allot of opinions on this) that white helmets are a bit more visible but careful and skillful riding is paramount because the most dangerous people on the road are probably too stupid to register a neon sign let alone a white helmet, all they notice is the bus that bigger than they are.

Not to mention that carelessness and apathy often befalls people and they sometimes simply don't look, indicate, break, etc etc.

With apathy and ignorance you could be plastered high-vis or not.

Why not be visible as well as cautious?

Haha thanks for bringing that to an end. Would have carried on for ages. Mmmhmm that was what I was suggesting.

[motorbyclist]

You also resort to the odd personal attack here and there too, so dont be a hypocrite.

i never said i wasn't trolling :stupid:


Haha thanks for bringing that to an end. Would have carried on for ages. Mmmhmm that was what I was suggesting.

this ain't over till i say it's over, bitch!

(btw no-one said a white helmet trumps due care and attention, therefore you lose :bleh:)

[Luckylegs]

If you can't be seen be heard :D

But this is an SMC thread so surely that doesnt count cos "Children should be seen and not heard"

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[jono035]

But this is an SMC thread so surely that doesnt count cos "Children should be seen and not heard"

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I'm 26 in 2 weeks and am at Uni...