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motorbyclist
22nd September 2009, 16:02
So on a fine sunny like today I was surprised to see so much parking available around uni - perhaps this had something to with the rain this morning... anywho, you can imagine my surprise to see a shiny new scooter parking in the walkway we are expressly prohibited from even riding through.

Yes, the paint on the ground was still there: "NO MOTORCYCLE OR SCOOTER PARKING - TOWAWAY", and the sign was still up: "NO MOTORCYCLES OR SCOOTERS PAST THIS POINT", and there was the scooter, parked in the walkway.

What a retard.

I mean, he had to ride past the available parking to get there ffs!

I contemplate moving it but have a lecture to attend so leave it up to unisafe to tow.

3 hours later, I again come across the scooter, still parked there.

This time I ave a closer look....

the steering lock isn't on....

there is no lock of any kind......

and the keys are in the fucking ignition.

SO, what to do? leave the keys there? take the keys and return them around midnight? maybe even hide the scoot for a few days?

The one thing this fashionable young asain did right was leave his name/number on his keychain, and didn't leave me waiting long for him to come collect his keys from me.

He's lucky the scoot wasn't stolen, wasn't towed, wasn't locked, wasn't knocked over, and that I only gave a brief rant as to how fucking stupid it was to park there.

I then had to get him to move it, as he went to just walk off, seemingly unfased by the whole "you're lucky it wasn't towed, let alone stolen" point I tried to get across.



I feel new sympathy for ACC campaigners.:bash:

PirateJafa
22nd September 2009, 16:05
You fool, think of what that could have added to the SMC beer-fund.

Danae
22nd September 2009, 16:08
I saw that scooter, but I was running around getting my CV and then going to the scooter shop.

Keys in the ignition....jeebus.

At the engineering carpark a scooter had parked in another scooter. I lold.

motorbyclist
22nd September 2009, 16:11
You fool, think of what that could have added to the SMC beer-fund.

heck we could've even used it for the SMC beer run!

just pack some ice in under the seat with the "emergency kit" and have it come on rides as the TEC for "first aid":niceone:

Danae
22nd September 2009, 16:15
heck we could've even used it for the SMC beer run!

just pack some ice in under the seat with the "emergency kit" and have it come on rides as the TEC for "first aid":niceone:

Haha! My scooter was acting as the beer-mobile while under stephen's..."care". Wouldn't be too hard to fit it with a chiller-like bag and fill it with icepacks and beer :eek:

Squiggles
22nd September 2009, 17:36
Hanne needs a scooter XD

PirateJafa
22nd September 2009, 17:40
I dunno Stephen, you might have trouble keeping up with her then.

bogan
22nd September 2009, 18:01
i dunno bout all, but the majority, probably! clocked one doing over 30kmhr on the footpath delivering papers yesterday, got half a mind to complain to the standard about it.

hospitalfood
22nd September 2009, 18:04
at least he didn't follow the rules

p.dath
22nd September 2009, 18:13
You shouldn't touch other peoples property if it isn't interferring with you.

If it gets stolen or towed then that's their issue.

bomma
22nd September 2009, 18:17
You shouldn't touch other peoples property if it isn't interferring with you.

If it gets stolen or towed then that's their issue.

there are bigger issues to worry about than simply the scooter being stolen or towed.....like us losing the PRIVILEGE of being allowed to park in CP36

Danae
22nd September 2009, 18:23
Yepyep, any scooter/bike parked stupidly often gets blamed on the club....even if the rider doesn't belong to the club.

ital916
22nd September 2009, 18:43
So on a fine sunny like today I was surprised to see so much parking available around uni - perhaps this had something to with the rain this morning... anywho, you can imagine my surprise to see a shiny new scooter parking in the walkway we are expressly prohibited from even riding through.

Yes, the paint on the ground was still there: "NO MOTORCYCLE OR SCOOTER PARKING - TOWAWAY", and the sign was still up: "NO MOTORCYCLES OR SCOOTERS PAST THIS POINT", and there was the scooter, parked in the walkway.

What a retard.

I mean, he had to ride past the available parking to get there ffs!

I contemplate moving it but have a lecture to attend so leave it up to unisafe to tow.

3 hours later, I again come across the scooter, still parked there.

This time I ave a closer look....

the steering lock isn't on....

there is no lock of any kind......

and the keys are in the fucking ignition.

SO, what to do? leave the keys there? take the keys and return them around midnight? maybe even hide the scoot for a few days?

The one thing this fashionable young asain did right was leave his name/number on his keychain, and didn't leave me waiting long for him to come collect his keys from me.

He's lucky the scoot wasn't stolen, wasn't towed, wasn't locked, wasn't knocked over, and that I only gave a brief rant as to how fucking stupid it was to park there.

I then had to get him to move it, as he went to just walk off, seemingly unfased by the whole "you're lucky it wasn't towed, let alone stolen" point I tried to get across.



I feel new sympathy for ACC campaigners.:bash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

Squiggles
22nd September 2009, 18:45
You shouldn't touch other peoples property if it isn't interferring with you.

If it gets stolen or towed then that's their issue.

:lol::lol::lol:

Afraid it is our issue :yes:

motorbyclist
22nd September 2009, 19:12
You shouldn't touch other peoples property if it isn't interferring with you.

If it gets stolen or towed then that's their issue.

if I wasn't an elected figurehead for the club, and hadn't spoken personally with campus security about that specific spot in the past and promised we'd self-regulate as best we can so they don't have to get out the towies and chain, I'd agree with you.

we are fortunate enough to be able to request marked parking spaces provided we don't go parking willy-nilly blocking footpaths and "endangering" pedestrians (they react to bikes like cattle, it would seem) - we'd like to keep it that way :)

besides, his bike isn't nicked so he shouldn't complain - either way I would've played the good samaritan

ital916
22nd September 2009, 19:31
if I wasn't an elected figurehead for the club, and hadn't spoken personally with campus security about that specific spot in the past and promised we'd self-regulate as best we can so they don't have to get out the towies and chain, I'd agree with you.

we are fortunate enough to be able to request marked parking spaces provided we don't go parking willy-nilly blocking footpaths and "endangering" pedestrians (they react to bikes like cattle, it would seem) - we'd like to keep it that way :)

besides, his bike isn't nicked so he shouldn't complain - either way I would've played the good samaritan

Didnt know there were any safety breaches occuring.

I inform riders parking near engineering of the dos and do nots, I must say andrew...do not park in the no parking area near the door, will give the club a bad image. Not that you do it all the time, only sometimes.

Consider yourself warned.;)

motorbyclist
22nd September 2009, 19:37
Didnt know there were any safety breaches occuring.

I inform riders parking near engineering of the dos and do nots, I must say andrew...do not park in the no parking area near the door, will give the club a bad image. Not that you do it all the time, only sometimes.

Consider yourself warned.;)

lol yeah i gave up on attending lectures on time so don't find the temptation anymore ;)


my role encompasses both rider and machine - shit getting nicked falls into this category - and either way if we don't "enforce" it unisafe starts busting out the chains again

FiBee
22nd September 2009, 19:50
can i just ask... where has all the symonds street bike parking gone? the gardens look pretty and everything (?!) but the amount of space left is minimal (especially when some of those scooters park on an angle :scooter:)

Squiggles
22nd September 2009, 20:02
can i just ask... where has all the symonds street bike parking gone? the gardens look pretty and everything (?!) but the amount of space left is minimal (especially when some of those scooters park on an angle :scooter:)

Its gone for now... we might see some new parking on princes street soon though.

motorbyclist
22nd September 2009, 20:22
can i just ask... where has all the symonds street bike parking gone? the gardens look pretty and everything (?!) but the amount of space left is minimal (especially when some of those scooters park on an angle :scooter:)

long story short, the auckland city council openly values trees and buslanes over parking and traffic flow.... and are generally retarded

mattian
22nd September 2009, 20:32
the majority of scooter riders are retarded.... with their blood bucket helmets and their, shorts and t-shirt attitude.

"helloooo ! if I wear a full face helmet then no one can see my perfectly chiselled goatee" :scooter:

ital916
23rd September 2009, 09:04
the majority of scooter riders are retarded.... with their blood bucket helmets and their, shorts and t-shirt attitude.

"helloooo ! if I wear a full face helmet then no one can see my perfectly chiselled goatee" :scooter:

Oh noes! He is wearing an open face helmet.....he is going to die in 10....9.....8.....7.....6.....5....4....3....2.... 1........ooops guess not!

They wanna ride with open face helmets,t shirts, shorts and sandals...let them.

Its not recommended but its still their choice. It just means more videos get posted on nothingtoxic with destroyed scooter riders...:shifty:

HungusMaximist
23rd September 2009, 09:33
If I was you Andrew, I would've went on a small hoon on the scooter and park it somewhere completely different.

Scare the shits outta that Asian for leaving his keys in the ignition. That will teach him a lesson.

PirateJafa
23rd September 2009, 09:36
If I was you Andrew, I would've went on a small hoon on the scooter and park it somewhere completely different.

Scare the shits outta that Asian for leaving his keys in the ignition. That will teach him a lesson.

Yes, but if he's anything like you mate, the poor guy'll have enough trouble fnding his car bike when it's still parked where he left it. ;)

phaedrus01
23rd September 2009, 09:40
Reminds me of the good old days when men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from alpha centauri were real small furry creatures from alpha centauri!

No honestly, I think that if scooter riders saw the aftermath of a bin at 50kph to bare legs with jandals on, they would think twice before wearing shorts/skirt and jandelas. While they do look ever so cool, not too practical when the skin meets the road.

They are therefore not retarded just plain old ignorant. Hopefully they get lucky and never have to find this out the hard way:doh:

Phurrball
23rd September 2009, 11:01
Oh noes! He is wearing an open face helmet.....he is going to die in 10....9.....8.....7.....6.....5....4....3....2.... 1........ooops guess not!

They wanna ride with open face helmets,t shirts, shorts and sandals...let them.

Its not recommended but its still their choice. It just means more videos get posted on nothingtoxic with destroyed scooter riders...:shifty:

Meanwhile, 'you' get to enjoy being priced off the road along with all the rest of us while 'they' enjoy their freedom of choice.

I favour education over regulation, but lets face it, it's unlikely (in NZ anyway) to happen in a well resourced way that makes a difference - sit back and watch you bike rego go skywards so the cool folk can look cool.

The quid pro quo of ACC is that if you're in a risky sector, you get to pay more, just like insurance.

Our regos have gone up to an almost unaffordable point - A PRICE WHICH IS STILL NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE BASTARDS WOULD LIKE TO CHARGE US - IE THE TRUE COST OF THE CARNAGE.

In this case freedom of choice ought to be tempered by responsibility:

It's not just YOUR OWN nose, chin, face and teeth on the line - it's everyone else that gets to pay for them in the 0.3, 0.2, 0.1 of a second that they take to grind away on chipseal in an accident because you're a fucking noob who wanted to look cool.

That, in a nutshell, is the problem I have, and many others have with people who wear substandard safety gear because they want to look cool.

bomma
23rd September 2009, 11:26
^^^ oh you turn me on so p-mac :lol::lol::lol:

ital916
23rd September 2009, 15:00
Remember though motorcyclists crash as well as scooter riders. A lot of motorcycle accidents occur at higher speeds and incur high health costs. What is more expensive, a bit of skin coming off at low speed or a shattered elbow requiring how many surgeries, xrays and physio appointments (sorry jafa).

Let us not focus on the gear but the riding...the riding is whats important. If you are a safe, competent and aware rider, you could make it from here to wellington without a helmet or any gear problem free.

People place too much emphasis on the little bit of material missing from the helmet....its a cop out, lets blame the scary open face helmet etc, not the main cause which is the way we RIDE!

Danae
23rd September 2009, 15:09
Remember though motorcyclists crash as well as scooter riders. A lot of motorcycle accidents occur at higher speeds and incur high health costs. What is more expensive, a bit of skin coming off at low speed or a shattered elbow requiring how many surgeries, xrays and physio

I just read a PDF of a girl who fell off the back of a motorcycle wearing a too-big helmet, sweatshirt, jeans and sneakers. The amount of pain and skin grafts she had to go through was astounding. Re-dressing wounds everyday. Skin grafts still require physio: you won't be moving for a while.

Motorcyclists traveling at higher speeds tend to wear most of their gear. Scooter riders, abundant in summer, wear shorts, sandals, singlets. Open face or full face, when they come off it's gonna fucking hurt.

Phurrball
23rd September 2009, 15:44
Remember though motorcyclists crash as well as scooter riders. A lot of motorcycle accidents occur at higher speeds and incur high health costs. What is more expensive, a bit of skin coming off at low speed or a shattered elbow requiring how many surgeries, xrays and physio appointments (sorry jafa).

Let us not focus on the gear but the riding...the riding is whats important. If you are a safe, competent and aware rider, you could make it from here to wellington without a helmet or any gear problem free.

People place too much emphasis on the little bit of material missing from the helmet....its a cop out, lets blame the scary open face helmet etc, not the main cause which is the way we RIDE!

Fail argument. Does not take into account the OTHER factors present.

Because I'm a safe and competent car driver, should I be allowed to drive to Wellington without my seat-belt on?

Will application of face-side of head to ground have different outcomes in an open-face and a full face helmet? Yes it will.

Can flesh out more later when I ahve time.

motorbyclist
23rd September 2009, 15:50
ffs must we do this again?


Remember though motorcyclists crash as well as scooter riders. A lot of motorcycle accidents occur at higher speeds and incur high health costs. What is more expensive, a bit of skin coming off at low speed or a shattered elbow requiring how many surgeries, xrays and physio appointments (sorry jafa).

yet people at 50kph are still perfectly capable of the same or worse injuries

let's not forget that had jafa not been wearing gear he could have possibly lost his arm - not that that has anything to do with wearing half or all of a helmet.

and your argument there is useless for the many of use who commute through 50kph zones like a scooter might



Let us not focus on the gear but the riding...the riding is whats important. If you are a safe, competent and aware rider, you could make it from here to wellington without a helmet or any gear problem free.

WTF!? are you retarded? a motorcyclist can never assume a safe journey: cagers are just too fucking useless, and the road condition can be less than ideal

THEN there's the stones, bugs, weather and windburn you get subjected to.


People place too much emphasis on the little bit of material missing from the helmet....its a cop out, lets blame the scary open face helmet etc, not the main cause which is the way we RIDE!

again my above point - to wear half a helmet is to wear it to meet the legal requirement and/or meet some percieved fashion look, NOT to protect one's body in the event of an accident. riding ablility IS a very important factor, as is an ability to read traffic and avoid accidents from occuring in the first place, but ultimately all it takes it one idioit behind the wheel and you can be stuck in a wheelchair for life (or worse)



Most scooterists and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.

the fact is 50kph is the same speed no matter where your engine/fuel tank is situated - the only difference is a motorcycle is often more visible and almost always more capable of scrubbing off speed

Danae
23rd September 2009, 15:54
Most scooterist and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.


Seeing a stranger's bike fine one minute then seeing it again wrecked and on the back of a truck the next was more than enough for me...seeing the aftermath of someone i know would be unimaginably worse.

mattian
23rd September 2009, 16:22
Oh noes! He is wearing an open face helmet.....he is going to die in 10....9.....8.....7.....6.....5....4....3....2.... 1........ooops guess not!

They wanna ride with open face helmets,t shirts, shorts and sandals...let them.

Its not recommended but its still their choice. It just means more videos get posted on nothingtoxic with destroyed scooter riders...:shifty:

I'm not for one minute denying their right to be retarded.... I agree with you, thats their decision.

Slyer
23rd September 2009, 16:39
Reminds me of my road trip to nelson. On the way back, get on the motorway in Auckland and see one of those purple Orcon cars, so we start talking about internet and ISP's etc.
Later on, after we've stopped for lunch and gas we continue on north and pass a tow truck with the exact same Orcon car on the back. I know because I remember the number plate. :bleh:

motorbyclist
23rd September 2009, 16:40
I'm not for one minute denying their right to be retarded.... I agree with you, thats their decision.

well that's good for you:niceone:

I'm sick of paying almost a dollar a day in rego on my road motorcycles because scooters, dirtbikes and farm quads don't have to pay their share of the acc levy

hopefully the cager population doesn't realise how much we're undercharged as it is....

ital916
23rd September 2009, 16:46
WTF!? are you retarded? a motorcyclist can never assume a safe journey: cagers are just too fucking useless, and the road condition can be less than ideal




I said COULD not WOULD, and I never stated that we could ASSUME anything, I said you COULD make it wellington problem free.....

When full face helmets were first introduced they were considered dangerous...times change...now full face helmets are of excellent quality, so are a few open faces. I dont want to get into another open face discussion it tires me, we have agreed to disagree, lets leave it there.

ital916
23rd September 2009, 16:50
Most scooterists and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.


Haha, the irony is it doesnt stop many from riding like arseholes even after they see it.

The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 16:56
The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

emotive statement... a predicament you accept?

Real_Wolf
23rd September 2009, 17:28
I said COULD not WOULD, and I never stated that we could ASSUME anything, I said you COULD make it wellington problem free.....

When full face helmets were first introduced they were considered dangerous...times change...now full face helmets are of excellent quality, so are a few open faces. I dont want to get into another open face discussion it tires me, we have agreed to disagree, lets leave it there.

Hmm, crash statistics speak for themselves. Note where the largest proportion of impacts occur upon the helmet

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 17:35
Haha, the irony is it doesnt stop many from riding like arseholes even after they see it.

The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

Here ya go...

So after seen the results of an open-faced helmet crash, are you gonna stop advocating open-face helmets now?

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 17:37
Here ya go...

So after seen the results of an open-faced helmet crash, are you gonna stop advocating open-face helmets now?

There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too.

Correct me if i've missed it, but Dushy doesnt seem to be advocating open faced helmets in place of a full face.

Danae
23rd September 2009, 17:39
Argh! Rob! Censor! Owie owie owie

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 17:41
There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too

I'd back my 9.9% chance of hitting my visor (not to mention whatever chance it shatters) over the 34.6% chance of contacting my chin with 100% chance of ouchy.

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 17:45
I'd back my 9.9% chance of hitting my visor (not to mention whatever chance it shatters) over the 34.6% chance of contacting my chin with 100% chance of ouchy.

Contact =/= Injury. Just as a crash with a cheesecutter =/= a headon collision avoided.

:laugh:

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 17:49
Contact =/= Injury. Just as a crash with a cheesecutter =/= a headon collision avoided.

:laugh:

Contact = Chance of injury. More contact = More chance.

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 18:04
Contact = Chance of injury. More contact = More chance.

And what if i was wearing a motocross styled helmet with a more pronounced chin bar?

Regardless, that Dushy occasionally wears an open face is an informed choice he has made, alot of scooter (and motorcycle)riders do not know the potential consequences, if they did, i hope more would wear gear (at least gloves and a jacket). If we make an effort on this front and some then chose to wear gear it will at least delay laws such as we have for helmets.

ital916
23rd September 2009, 18:24
emotive statement... a predicament you accept?

I do not accept it, but changing it will be difficult until a few club members change their riding behaviour and attitude. I cannot change your behaviour nor others, only the person themselves can recognise the need for improvement. We are hot headed and many are overconfident on their skills.

Tales of....I raced a r6 at 200km/h, I popped the sickest monos, I got my knee down, in the club are signs of trouble coming.

It was great when the club did the RRRS course, maybe we need to start a club skills session once a month; get some mentors on board maybe?

ital916
23rd September 2009, 18:26
Hmm, crash statistics speak for themselves. Note where the largest proportion of impacts occur upon the helmet

"lies, damn lies and statistics". Reference the source, the demographic(s) surveyed, then quote the standard deviations as well as any anomalies and outliers. If they got all this data to compare but the SDs between the comparisons are way of their will be REASONABLE DOUBT that the conclusions drawn are false and that their is evidence AGAINST the hypothesis...blah blah..I hate stats...anyway you get the point.

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 18:27
Tales of....I raced a r6 at 200km/h, I popped the sickest monos, I got my knee down, in the club are signs of trouble coming.

I've yet to see/hear these myself :laugh: Float your safety ideas on Friday, and check ya emails re our grant app :Punk:

ital916
23rd September 2009, 18:30
There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too.

Correct me if i've missed it, but Dushy doesnt seem to be advocating open faced helmets in place of a full face.

Thanks stephen, you are correct, I was not advocating any such thing. I was merely saying that we cannot change peoples minds on things, we can inform them of some helpful info and then they have to change it themselves.

I reckon all info, especially stats being posted need to have a reference.:laugh:

Danae
23rd September 2009, 18:32
It was great when the club did the RRRS course, maybe we need to start a club skills session once a month; get some mentors on board maybe?

Can we please please do this? A skills session + NASS would be extra helpful to me

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 18:38
I reckon all info, especially stats being posted need to have a reference.:laugh:

Im still trying to locate the study that helmet image was posted in "Dietmar Otte, Hannover Medical University, Department of Traffic Accident Research, Germany" is all i have so far...

Edit: Found the fucker, http://cordis.europa.eu/cost-transport/src/cost-327.htm Page 43 of the Interim Report.

ital916
23rd September 2009, 18:52
Can we please please do this? A skills session + NASS would be extra helpful to me

I will bring it up on friday, it will be difficult to organise in the coming weeks though as the last weeks of uni go into high gear. Definately something for summer though.,

mattian
23rd September 2009, 19:20
well that's good for you:niceone:

I'm sick of paying almost a dollar a day in rego on my road motorcycles because scooters, dirtbikes and farm quads don't have to pay their share of the acc levy

hopefully the cager population doesn't realise how much we're undercharged as it is....

when I am disgruntled with a situation to the point where I am telling people that I am "sick of it" then I figure its time to put it behind me and, move on. Ever thought about selling the bike and catching the bus?

motorbyclist
23rd September 2009, 19:43
yes, bring it up on friday - but let it be said there are already weekly training sessions in auckland that club members attend, KB has it's mentor system in place and if we were to run our own we need someone capable who can regularly do so.

Furthermore, the SMC officially dissaproves of the use of open face helmets (or half-hats, as they should really be called), and and as elected Safety Officer I strongly advise against them.


Ever thought about selling the bike and catching the bus?

if was anything close to cheaper it might be an option... if it even went near my home more than thrice a day it might be seriously considered... even if it was the service would have to improve

Danae
23rd September 2009, 19:46
if was anything close to cheaper it might be an option... if it even went near my home more than thrice a day it might be seriously considered... even if it was the service would have to improve

You know you wouldn't be able to stay away from bikes :bleh:

ital916
23rd September 2009, 19:59
yes, bring it up on friday - but let it be said there are already weekly training sessions in auckland that club members attend, KB has it's mentor system in place and if we were to run our own we need someone capable who can regularly do so.

Furthermore, the SMC officially dissaproves of the use of open face helmets (or half-hats, as they should really be called), and and as elected Safety Officer I strongly advise against them.



Stephen....is this the official club stance on the matter. I dont agree, it is not my stance, my stance is let people buy what they want. I didnt realise that this is what the club "officialy" stands for.

Be wary, as sponsors wont like sponsoring a club that is against products they sell...and cycletreads sells some good open face helmets. By good I mean not chinese made crap, but oxford ans shark brand ones.

As elected safety official, it is your job to bring to the clubs attention any safety problems you believe are affecting the club after which it will be dealt with. Saying that open face helmets are a problem is silly, it is like saying gloves without nuckle armour are less safe, dont wear them or jackets without thermal liners are bad as riders will catch colds more and so on. As Andrew petty though you can hold the opinon that you dont like open face helmets.

Note my davida is not a "half hat", it covers me head all the way to the base of the skull *providing better lower skull protection that your hjc and most of the clubs helmets* and up to the very edge of my cheeks and down to just above my eyes. It has a fantastic inner liner, excellent construction quality and is rated for racing in the UK. So be wary of poking fun at gear which you dont like. A half hat is a shorty which is literally half a helmet. I dont like thos ones, but I dont stop people from buying them.

Slyer
23rd September 2009, 20:06
OMG the pressing issues of the century!
Shut the fuck up you lot.

Danae
23rd September 2009, 20:06
I'm pretty sure the club officially recommends full-face helmets :shifty:

Real_Wolf
23rd September 2009, 20:07
at the AGM it was officially voted in that we have a stance against open face helmets.

That doens't mean anyone is forced one way or another, but the club is of the opinion that a closed face helmet is better

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:09
From the minutes


4) Other Items:
a) Andrew Petty puts forward the motion for “the club to have an agenda against the use of Open Face helmets”
Revised to “The Club does not condone the use of Open Face Helmets”
Vote Held
For: 11
Against: 4
Abstained: 1
Motion passed.

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 20:12
More riding less talking.

It's hard to take you seriously Dushy when:

1) You consider(ed?) yourself to be ATGATT, including back protector and fluoro. And then for the most important piece of safety gear you choose something that wont even protect your face.

2) You have done a lot of shit talk in the past, and then you criticise people who are discussing their riding fun.

Andrew, I thought the stance would be more along the lines of "The SMC does not advise the use of open-face helmets". As in we do not recommend them, as opposed to stating a disapproval.


From the minutes

:clap:

Now I remember voting for that :laugh:

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:15
1) You consider(ed?) yourself to be ATGATT, including back protector and fluoro. And then for the most important piece of safety gear you choose something that wont even protect your face.

Still got warped disks Rob? Or is that bike still unwarrantable? :laugh:

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 20:18
Still got warped disks Rob? Or is that bike still unwarrantable? :laugh:

Nope got perfectly straight discs thank you and currently warranted...

Shot down?

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:19
Nope got perfectly straight discs thank you and currently warranted...

Shot down?

Only a year on skimping on the safety features then? :laugh:

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 20:26
Only a year on skimping on the safety features then? :laugh:

Meh my brakes passed warrants the entire time so can't have been too bad. I still managed to perform emergency braking when needed.

I could come off the bike at any time due to other traffic or road conditions, I would prefer to be protected against the things I have no control over first and foremost.

If I was worried about safety features of my vehicle I would not be riding a motorbike.

ital916
23rd September 2009, 20:28
From the minutes

I do genuinely hope that cycletreads or any future sponsor doesnt take that the wrong way. I sure as hell wouldnt sponsor a club which does not condone the use of some gear that is sold there, especially with the scooter market being so big, but I stand corrected I guess it is official. I remember now, I did vote against it.

As for rob, whos fun do I criticise? The 200km/hr on public roads fun, the crashing whilst wheelie-ing whilst navigating a roundabout fun, is the sort of stuff I criticise and yes I do talk some shit, but no where as much as you or jafa.:done:

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 20:39
I do genuinely hope that cycletreads or any future sponsor doesnt take that the wrong way. I sure as hell wouldnt sponsor a club which does not condone the use of some gear that is sold there, especially with the scooter market being so big, but I stand corrected I guess it is official. I remember now, I did vote against it.

As for rob, whos fun do I criticise? The 200km/hr on public roads fun, the crashing whilst wheelie-ing whilst navigating a roundabout fun, is the sort of stuff I criticise and yes I do talk some shit, but no where as much as you or jafa.:done:

:Police:

And what kinda shit have I talked Dushy?

I'm listening... With intrigue :eek:

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:44
I sure as hell wouldnt sponsor a club which does not condone the use of some gear that is sold there

If groups chose not to interact based on minor differences in opinions then the world would be a very strange place

ital916
23rd September 2009, 20:45
:Police:

And what kinda shit have I talked Dushy?

I'm listening... With intrigue :eek:

I'm not going to go through all the threads and find it am I and I sure as hell dont remember 99% of the things you say...

Dont tell porkies you....you.....dirty........troll you! Or pirate "harry potter" jafa will stick his wang up your nose and shoot you with his silvery spell.(Im trying to bring a smile to the thread as I can see it degenerating into a giant yelling match)

ital916
23rd September 2009, 20:45
If groups chose not to interact based on minor differences in opinions then the world would be a strange place

The world IS a strange place!

Danae
23rd September 2009, 20:52
<img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/kq0dw.jpg"></img>

l DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:55
<img src="http://sciencetraveler.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/lolcat_what.jpg"></img>

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 20:58
I'm not going to go through all the threads and find it am I and I sure as hell dont remember 99% of the things you say...

Dont tell porkies you....you.....dirty........troll you! Or pirate "harry potter" jafa will stick his wang up your nose and shoot you with his silvery spell.(Im trying to bring a smile to the thread as I can see it degenerating into a giant yelling match)

Fark it then.

:niceone:

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 20:59
Dude, you have a thousand more posts than him.

Phurrball
23rd September 2009, 21:05
(SNIP)
Be wary, as sponsors wont like sponsoring a club that is against products they sell...and cycletreads sells some good open face helmets. By good I mean not chinese made crap, but oxford ans shark brand ones.Any sponsor is unlikely to be that precious. Pretty sure that plenty of good helmets come out of china too D, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

(snip)Saying that open face helmets are a problem is silly, it is like saying gloves without nuckle armour are less safe, dont wear them or jackets without thermal liners are bad as riders will catch colds more and so on. As Andrew petty though you can hold the opinon that you dont like open face helmets.Open face helmets are MISSING a whole part. Your analogies fail

Note my davida is not a "half hat", it covers me head all the way to the base of the skull *providing better lower skull protection that your hjc and most of the clubs helmets* and up to the very edge of my cheeks and down to just above my eyes. and with a magic, invisible shield for your jaw, nose and eyes:chase:It has a fantastic inner liner, excellent construction quality and is rated for racing in the UK. So be wary of poking fun at gear which you dont like.LOLs recent Pics or it's a meaningless theoretical assertion for the purposes of marketing A half hat is a shorty which is literally half a helmet. I dont like thos ones, but I dont stop people from buying them.Freeedom of choice - glass houses? No one raised YOUR helmet. Ask yourself WHY you need to defensively quote the magic features

(joiny)
I do genuinely hope that cycletreads or any future sponsor doesnt take that the wrong way. I sure as hell wouldnt sponsor a club which does not condone the use of some gear that is sold there, especially with the scooter market being so big, but I stand corrected I guess it is official. I remember now, I did vote against it.. You'd shut out business because you don't 'like' someone's stance? That's precious and commercially foolish.

We'll all buy some gear over others for various reasons. How many bike shops sell the 'decorative purposes only' pudding bowls knowing full well riders of a certain kind WILL use them on the road as a fashion statement. As long as fashion and stereotypes support a market for safety gear with a critical part missing, we're all the poorer (not just helmets).

Look at the US stats since 'personal freedom' rolled back helmet laws. Scary reading. Perhaps if there was personal freedom to bear the total cost of one's own poor decisions, I'd think differently. Personal freedom negates the ACC quid pro quo - ie you accept the benefit, you accept reasonable limitations. I'm not just talking about helmets either. We ALL need to take safety seriously. (Yes, I'm well aware of the issues surrounding the implementation of standards, and why there probably never will be...)

Saying that open face helmets are perfectly acceptable in an open forum could send the wrong message to noobs as well. There's a plenty big enough hole in a full face to enjoy the wind without risking expensive facial reconstruction surgery.

Enough ranting.:laugh:

(snip) Hmmm, apparently you need 10 chars here too. Odd.

Ixion
23rd September 2009, 21:08
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ital916 http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129420286#post1129420286)
Let us not focus on the gear but the riding...the riding is whats important. If you are a safe, competent and aware rider, you could make it from here to wellington without a helmet or any gear problem free.
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

WTF!? are you retarded? a motorcyclist can never assume a safe journey: cagers are just too fucking useless, and the road condition can be less than ideal


I done it! Back in the day, when nobody wore helmets.

EDIT. On a Velocette.

Phurrball
23rd September 2009, 21:08
[FONT="Fixedsys"]l DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!![/SIZE][/CENTER]

Yelling is fun. Especially yelling coherently with correctly placed apostrophes. I like it. To quote Valentino Rossi 'For me, is good'.

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 21:09
Dude, you have a thousand more posts than him.



Lol!

:chase:

And how many of those have been "shit-talking" about my excessive speeds and dangerous riding <_<

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 21:11
how many of those have been "shit-talking" about my excessive speeds and dangerous riding <_<

The last two
<img src="http://api.ning.com/files/TAQisU8LBDTC4tC2heaDQOeZS-Rrz2YNGCp-ALFZ1sJzULMurkS8G5BTohOglWuUPCEePfSXGLMBkHkrH2gmH7 CuAYuO65-A/arguingontheinternet.jpg"></img>

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 21:16
The last two


Wherewhatwhen?

Phurrball
23rd September 2009, 21:20
Just call me a happy retard. Maybe even a winning retard. I expect my medal and gold star for participating too, or I'll have a tanty!

I like arguing. It used to get me into trouble in my big-drinking Otago days...

I'm out for the night as bad weather makes wireless ISP fail. HAve stolen neighbour's PC and need to go home.

Look forward to returning to collect my medal and gold star tomorrow.

Danae
23rd September 2009, 21:23
<img src="http://i36.tinypic.com/mhvrwx.jpg"></img>

PirateJafa
23rd September 2009, 21:26
Only a year on skimping on the safety features then? :laugh:

As opposed to your skimping on the GN's safety features for what? 3+ years? :jerry:

Hanne
23rd September 2009, 21:26
i lieks watermelons

Ixion
23rd September 2009, 21:26
The cat ain't pushing the watermelon out of the lake. If it were its fur would be wet. The watermelon is pushing the cat INTO the lake.

So argument == valid

(What argument? I've lost track of who's arguing about what, and why)

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 21:28
As opposed to your skimping on the GN's safety features for what? 3+ years? :jerry:

Your disks warped yet? :laugh:

Danae
23rd September 2009, 21:28
<img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/do1a95.jpg"></img>

PirateJafa
23rd September 2009, 21:28
Fark it then.

:niceone:

Apparently when Dushy is losing an argument, he feels the need to invoke my sacred name. Maybe to try and end the thread before he gets fed up and ragequits?

/godzillastomp

PirateJafa
23rd September 2009, 21:30
Your disks warped yet? :laugh:

Road bike's discs are straight, track bike's discs are warped. So all good and legal and safe.

Now back to the question you are trying to dodge Squiggles: "As opposed to your skimping on the GN's safety features for what? 3+ years?" :jerry:

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 21:31
The cat ain't pushing the watermelon out of the lake. If it were its fur would be wet. The watermelon is pushing the cat INTO the lake.

So argument == valid

(What argument? I've lost track of who's arguing about what, and why)

All I know is that the arguments on here seem inversely proportionate to the amount of riding that occurs.

Whenever we have a club ride we have something to talk about for ages and random-arse arguments are less prominent.

This sunday the weather looks to be ok maybe. Can't be fucked organising it somebody else have a go sometime.

Hanne
23rd September 2009, 21:33
Gn safety features? What Gn safety features? We left the tank to rust so that if it went for a slide the crust would protect the tank :Punk:

(man I :love: that bike...)

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 21:35
Now back to the question you are trying to dodge Squiggles: "As opposed to your skimping on the GN's safety features for what? 3+ years?" :jerry:

Name the safety features i've skimped on, that GN has quality tires, pads, the brakes were done every 6 months and even the fork oil has been changed :jerry:

PirateJafa
23rd September 2009, 21:42
Name the safety features i've skimped on, that GN has quality tires, pads, the brakes were done every 6 months and even the fork oil has been changed :jerry:

HAHAHAHA.

These "quality tyres" being that old pair of shinkos you rode on for years, that you were impressed "never ever seemed to wear down" - and resulted in your crashing coming to a stop at some lights?

And "even" the fork oil has been changed - now that it isn't being used anymore? ;)

This being the same bike that you laughed and told Andrew "Yeah that's what it does" when he told you of his inability to stop for a red light going down a hill, and was forced to run it? :stupid:

Try again next time. :jerry:

Hanne
23rd September 2009, 21:46
But this was the GN that could climb trees. Pure awesomeness. Like a favourite great uncle who is really decrepid and crumbly but tells wicked yarns in between phlegmy smoky coughs and never seems to kark it no matter how close he comes.

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 21:53
This being the same bike that you laughed and told Andrew "Yeah that's what it does" when he told you of his inability to stop for a red light going down a hill, and was forced to run it? :stupid:

Its wearing a IRC rear and pirelli on the front, yep its what it does if you're Andrew :lol:

<img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=105564&d=1221521336></img> (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=82005)

Retired but not forgotten

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 21:55
Its wearing a IRC rear and pirelli on the front, yep its what it does if you're Andrew :lol:

<img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=105564&d=1221521336></img>

Retired but not forgotten

And this thread is about a scooter's stupid parking :laugh:

Squiggles
23rd September 2009, 21:57
And this thread is about a scooter's stupid parking :laugh:

Bro thats a milestone in my riding career, the first time i went offroad :cool:

Hanne
23rd September 2009, 21:58
you was afk at the time tho?

Ragingrob
23rd September 2009, 21:59
Bro thats a milestone in my riding career, the first time i went offroad :cool:

The first and last? :jerry:

motorbyclist
23rd September 2009, 22:19
As elected safety official, it is your job to bring to the clubs attention any safety problems you believe are affecting the club after which it will be dealt with.

I am, and I'm dealing with/to it - you elected me and within 5 minutes i had a club stance not-supporting (rather than anti) open face helmets

this was about parking in a stupid place - not helmets, which YOU brought up;)


I do genuinely hope that cycletreads or any future sponsor doesnt take that the wrong way. I sure as hell wouldnt sponsor a club which does not condone the use of some gear that is sold there, especially with the scooter market being so big,


either way we'd be providing them business; we still have to buy a helmet, don't we?
It's in the best interests of the motorcycle industry to ensure repeat business - killing customers isn't going to acheive that




This sunday the weather looks to be ok maybe. Can't be fucked organising it somebody else have a go sometime.

roadtrip this weekend! go buy the $600 vfr trackbike on trademe so we can pick it up on the way :D


Name the safety features i've skimped on, that GN has quality tires, pads, the brakes were done every 6 months and even the fork oil has been changed :jerry:

not only could i not stop for a red light, the clutch slipped so bad i couldn't accelerate through it, either

and it was fucking awesome - i actually had mothers giving scared looks and protecting their children while i rode that :Punk:

The Pastor
23rd September 2009, 22:37
tell you what, its nothing to do with what they ride, today i saw, on albert street, a gsxr rider (600 or 1000) and, pause for a comma, he did a uturn infront of a, turning car!, !, !.

the car was able to stop (fully stop) in time, and there was no accident, but i was left going wtf,

people like this should get the tickets not people like me who go 120k/hr.

I tell you who was the one closer to the deaths, it wasnt me.

Real_Wolf
24th September 2009, 00:28
god these threads go everywhere quickly. And what is with the recent obsession some members have with lolcats

The Pastor
24th September 2009, 07:20
god these threads go everywhere quickly. And what is with the recent obsession some members have with lolcats
its a smc joke, everyone is in on it, except you.

ital916
24th September 2009, 18:40
The smc is joke, everyone is in on it, except you.

Thats better.

The Pastor
24th September 2009, 19:01
Thats better.
you know it!

Phurrball
25th September 2009, 20:40
My interweb was broked for two days...

I was looking forward to some response to my points from the person that opened the debate, but alas! None are forthcoming...

(Where is the liberally dousing petrol emoticon?)

Ixion
25th September 2009, 21:48
What debate? There have been so many in this thread. The current one is based around watermelons (unless a later one has sprung up - arguments seem to spring up in SMC circles the way fully armed warriors did in the Greek legends) . Is it that to which you refer?

Phurrball
25th September 2009, 22:39
What debate? There have been so many in this thread. The current one is based around watermelons (unless a later one has sprung up - arguments seem to spring up in SMC circles the way fully armed warriors did in the Greek legends) . Is it that to which you refer?

The mass-debate about the LOLcat riding Squiggles franken Ginny offroad, with an open-face watermelon helmet of course?! (Piccs or it didn't happen)

Your allusion is right I suppose Ixion, if one's interweb breaks for 2 days, one can't really expect to dip an oar in as if one hasn't missed a stroke - where is the coxswain in all this anyway?

motorbyclist
27th September 2009, 16:35
The mass-debate about the LOLcat riding Squiggles franken Ginny offroad, with an open-face watermelon helmet of course?! (Piccs or it didn't happen)

Now I would 'shop this onto a pic of stephen riding a bike - but unfortunately no such picture exists

Phurrball
27th September 2009, 16:54
Now I would 'shop this onto a pic of stephen riding a bike - but unfortunately no such picture exists


I KNEW that picture would be produced by someone...
(Only a pedantic arsehole would point out that the melon is not a watermelon <_<)

ital916
27th September 2009, 19:02
I KNEW that picture would be produced by someone...
(Only a pedantic arsehole would point out that the melon is not a watermelon <_<)

Thanks for pointing that out you pedantic arsehole.

Phurrball
27th September 2009, 23:22
Thanks for pointing that out you pedantic arsehole.

Well, it needed pointing out, as if it's not a watermelon, it technically constitutes ANOTHER subplot deviation in this thread:

Whether non-watermelon derived melon helmets are safe for LOLcats.

Personally, I'd suggest that LOLcats stick to full-face, watermelon derived helmets if they value their whiskers. I hear though, that the openface rockmelon model is actually race legal in the UK and top quality, with a nice liner for their furry little ears :bleh: