Biker down

[blossoming]

Long story short. Truck pulled into oncoming traffic going into Macdonalds on Pakuranga Road on Thursday night, didn't see me. Both outside and middle lanes were in dense traffic so there was a gap for him to go through while my lane was free flowing going into Bucklands Beach.

Smacked into the truck as I had no chance to react as by the time I saw him he was already in my lane, bounced off it and fell. Paramedics came, got me into hospital (after I took these pictures for the insurance) to make sure I was in decent shape. Got let out later that night with dressing on my wounds on both elbows, knees and ankles.

Mechanic said it’s probably gonna be total loss so it’s shopping time…again….for the third time, sigh.

[cs363]

Bugger! Still, main thing is you are OK.
Did the cops attend? And/or has other driver admitted liability?
Hope everything goes smoothly for your sake and happy new bike hunting :)

[Squiggles]

Lucky escape

[blossoming]

Bugger! Still, main thing is you are OK.
Did the cops attend? And/or has other driver admitted liability?
Hope everything goes smoothly for your sake and happy new bike hunting :)

Yeah cops were there. Pretty much everyone was there, fire service, paramedics, cops. Insurance said they'll only contact the cops if the other party doesn't admit liability. Haha thanks, ahhhh....Maybe it'll be fun :D


Lucky escape

Yeah, if the truck hit me side on I wouldn't have been so lucky.

[NDORFN]

Sorry to hear man. But look at the brightside, you just synopsised the next three months of your Hyonsungs life into one moment and insurance payout will afford you to buy a real bike.

[ital916]

Long story short. Truck pulled into oncoming traffic going into Macdonalds on Pakuranga Road on Thursday night, didn't see me. Both outside and middle lanes were in dense traffic so there was a gap for him to go through while my lane was free flowing going into Bucklands Beach.

Smacked into the truck as I had no chance to react as by the time I saw him he was already in my lane, bounced off it and fell. Paramedics came, got me into hospital (after I took these pictures for the insurance) to make sure I was in decent shape. Got let out later that night with dressing on my wounds on both elbows, knees and ankles.

Mechanic said it’s probably gonna be total loss so it’s shopping time…again….for the third time, sigh.

Glad you are ok man, like stephen said...lucky escape.

So, before anyone else asks...and if you are up to it.

What speed did you think you were doing?
Any hints as to whether there was trouble coming?
What did you learn?

You could mope or instead, thank the biker gods you have ten toes and ten fingers and get on with jumping back on the horse.

If you need someone to talk to or help with anything dont hesitate in asking the club, you are a member.

[cs363]

Yeah cops were there. Pretty much everyone was there, fire service, paramedics, cops. Insurance said they'll only contact the cops if the other party doesn't admit liability. Haha thanks, ahhhh....Maybe it'll be fun :D


:laugh: That kind of fun you don't need! :) Still it sounds like you are on the right side of things, all good :niceone:

[YellowDog]

That's quite a tale to live to tell.

It's always better to bouce off!

Are you going to go for a GT250 again or has your experience told you to look elsewhere?

[blossoming]

The GT250R wasn't a bad bike although I personally preferred my CBR250RR which was my first bike. And I've just fitted new brake pads on three of my discs plus the 5k service sigh. At least I don't have to pay for the rego which expires early October.

Haha, my friend has already got on to trademe even before I've got my payout and said "Here's another GT250R", maybe I'll try something new.

I was going at 50 which was the speed limit, I had my lights on and everything.

Hints of trouble? Didn't seem like anything at the time. I couldn't pull out that there was a gap on the other two lanes.

What did I learn...Crashing into a truck fucking hurts. Plus I wasn't wearing boots so perhaps I should wear my boots even when commuting.

Yeah, the biker gods saved me this time, I guess I sorta have to be even more cautious even though I ride pretty safely myself.

I won't mope. I'd rather as you said thank the biker gods, learn from it and get back on a bike in a few weeks time.

Thanks for the support, I'll probably be asking for advice when I get my payout.

[ital916]

The GT250R wasn't a bad bike although I personally preferred my CBR250RR which was my first bike. And I've just fitted new brake pads on three of my discs plus the 5k service sigh. At least I don't have to pay for the rego which expires early October.

Haha, my friend has already got on to trademe even before I've got my payout and said "Here's another GT250R", maybe I'll try something new.

I was going at 50 which was the speed limit, I had my lights on and everything.

Hints of trouble? Didn't seem like anything at the time. I couldn't pull out that there was a gap on the other two lanes.

What did I learn...Crashing into a truck fucking hurts. Plus I wasn't wearing boots so perhaps I should wear my boots even when commuting.

Yeah, the biker gods saved me this time, I guess I sorta have to be even more cautious even though I ride pretty safely myself.

I won't mope. I'd rather as you said thank the biker gods, learn from it and get back on a bike in a few weeks time.

Thanks for the support, I'll probably be asking for advice when I get my payout.

Good attitude. Keep looking, why not get another gt250r. Good bike IMO. How long till your full test?

[sil3nt]

Third time? Thats quite a few crashes mate!

[Gremlin]

You need to be aware of vehicles crossing as it can be very dangerous for a number of reasons.

When some lanes are full of traffic, perhaps even stopped, and one is free flowing, do not do the speed limit down it. Vehicles may be let through, and could be hidden by large vehicles, or vehicles may suddenly pull out of the lane into the free lane.

Pakuranga Highway just after the 3 lane bridge, heading to Bucklands Beach, as it goes into 3 lanes was another place that happened regularly (lots of side streets)

[mattian]

really glad to hear that you're ok and, I am not about to belittle your experience. Must have been a hell of a shock!
However, I do have a few questions. You didn't see a truck about to pull into your lane? in a 50 zone? (I assume) how fast was he going? and, how fast where you going?

[Cloggy]

Good to see you came of relatively unscathed from that one.
You mentioned you weren't wearing boots, hence ankle injuries.
Would you mind sharing what you were wearing in the way of clothing?
Just wondering if you were wearing textile jacket and pants with armour and still got the elbow and knee abrasions? ( I am assuming these were abrasions as you mentioned just dressings on these ).
I was reading elsewhere on these forums that the armour in these can shift which means you still get injuries that you would expect your clothing to prevent especially in a relatively slow speed spill like you have just had.

[TOTO]

time to get a naked honda


Get well soon.

[Squiggles]

time to get a naked honda

Hornets are so last winter. :laugh:

[TOTO]

Hornets are so last winter. :laugh:

watch your dirty mouth you...

...you are not at the sex show you know...:spanking:

[Squiggles]

watch your dirty mouth you...

...you are not at the sex show you know...:spanking:

But i will be tomorrow... maybe :spanking:

[YellowDog]

Yep, great attitude.

If your test isn't too far away, maybe you can hold off on the new bike until you can buy something bigger.

[ManDownUnder]

Glad to hear you are ok...

... but I genuinely struggle with you comment about this being the third time. I know nothing of the circumstances of those other incidents but it signals to me there's possibly something else at play here?

Just saying what I see - not a criticism... but stay safe mate.

[blossoming]

My full test isn't till a year or a bit more so I don't think I can lay it off that much.

A lot of my friends have told me that I really shouldn't be on a bike after crashing out twice. I guess I'll have another strike at it, I'm not ready to not be on a bike just yet. Third time lucky? Well it's my second so hopefully this one will be my last crash although I'm not too optimistic about it.

Yeah, that's the thing. I was blinded by the size of the vehicles on the other two lanes so I couldn't see the truck and the driver of the truck couldn't see me. Yeah, I'll make sure I pay attention to those traps next time eh, I mean it totally gave me a shock when I saw the bloody thing in my lane and next thing I know, I'm on the ground.

He was going pretty quickly as I'm guessing he took the opportunity and went for it. Cause usually the people who go through the gap in traffic usually take a look at the inside lane before going through, guess this guy didn't. I was going the speed limit.

Um, I was wearing my leather jacket with armour and back protector, helmet, gloves with the knuckle protectors, jeans and sneakers as well as my backpack. I left my textile pants and boots at home. One of my gloves came loose in the crash as I think so my right hand is still pretty sore but most of the impact was on my left hand side. So there is a bit mark on my jacket where it happened still usable tho :D My armour in my jacket didnt shift at all as it's implanted into the jacket and cannot be removed. The armour prevented further injuries but didn't prevent my elbows and shoulders from being sore.

Haha, my riding isn't THAT bad even though I'm Asian but that's beside the point. I've seen worse around Howick and Dannemora.

I guess even though you ride safely, you can't prevent other people from doing mistakes.

I'll have to see what's good and reasonable within my budget.

Thanks for all your support, it's really appreciated.

[Squiggles]

Yep, riding even at the speed limit alongside stationary traffic is somewhat asking for it given how impatient we all are, it'll either be someone turning across into a gap or a stationary taking the empty lane be it a bus or for a turn ahead. Suggest going off to a riding course like RRRS if you get back on a bike. The club has applied for some grants to help fund these but we wont know the outcome till after the meeting on tuesday :eek:

[Real_Wolf]

Good to hear your okay.

Don't listen to those dicks saying "well its not for you, you've crashed "x" times now", if you don't feel fine riding, don't ride, but until then do your own thing.

I'm always paranoid about minor corners in the wet now, but it never hurts to be over cautious, as long as you learn from it its not really a complete loss.

As for your next bike, think about what sort of bike you want then ya can start shopping. You always do better at finding it if first of all you know what you want.

Always be glad that things went as well as they did, it can always be worse

[PirateJafa]

I was going at 50


Yep, riding even at the speed limit alongside stationary traffic is somewhat asking for it

Actually riding at 50km/h is 10km/h below the speed limit along there. :shifty:

Time for a 250 two-smoker?

[Ms Piggy]

Got let out later that night with dressing on my wounds on both elbows, knees and ankles.
Yikes! Glad you're okay. Must have been terrifying!!

[ital916]

My full test isn't till a year or a bit more so I don't think I can lay it off that much.

A lot of my friends have told me that I really shouldn't be on a bike after crashing out twice. I guess I'll have another strike at it, I'm not ready to not be on a bike just yet. Third time lucky? Well it's my second so hopefully this one will be my last crash although I'm not too optimistic about it.

Yeah, that's the thing. I was blinded by the size of the vehicles on the other two lanes so I couldn't see the truck and the driver of the truck couldn't see me. Yeah, I'll make sure I pay attention to those traps next time eh, I mean it totally gave me a shock when I saw the bloody thing in my lane and next thing I know, I'm on the ground.

He was going pretty quickly as I'm guessing he took the opportunity and went for it. Cause usually the people who go through the gap in traffic usually take a look at the inside lane before going through, guess this guy didn't. I was going the speed limit.

Um, I was wearing my leather jacket with armour and back protector, helmet, gloves with the knuckle protectors, jeans and sneakers as well as my backpack. I left my textile pants and boots at home. One of my gloves came loose in the crash as I think so my right hand is still pretty sore but most of the impact was on my left hand side. So there is a bit mark on my jacket where it happened still usable tho :D My armour in my jacket didnt shift at all as it's implanted into the jacket and cannot be removed. The armour prevented further injuries but didn't prevent my elbows and shoulders from being sore.

Haha, my riding isn't THAT bad even though I'm Asian but that's beside the point. I've seen worse around Howick and Dannemora.

I guess even though you ride safely, you can't prevent other people from doing mistakes.

I'll have to see what's good and reasonable within my budget.

Thanks for all your support, it's really appreciated.

Dont let others tell you what you should do when it comes to riding. Do what YOU feel is comfortable. If someone told me not to ride they would get a big fuck off (said nicer than that in a joking tone but with deadly evil seriousness just below the surface).

Youll be paranoid for a while but ease back into it and you are good to rock n roll.

[rosie631]

Glad to hear you are ok...

... but I genuinely struggle with you comment about this being the third time. I know nothing of the circumstances of those other incidents but it signals to me there's possibly something else at play here?

Just saying what I see - not a criticism... but stay safe mate.

I'm thinking the same. Not really a good look.

[Squiggles]

Actually riding at 50km/h is 10km/h below the speed limit along there. :shifty:

Time for a 250 two-smoker?

Go to sleep :laugh:

[metalhead]

i have had a couple of serious accidents and yeah, the best thing is definately to get back on a bike, its great if you dont let the fear of something happening stop you from doing something you love

[motorbyclist]

What speed did you think you were doing?

who cares?

You can have an accident at 10kph if you aren't looking at what's infront of you:

fact is he didn't see a truck crossing his path - trucks are large, hyosung is high - must've been some very large traffic present to block view of that! Rider fail irregardless of either speed.
a truck driver didn't bother to check both lanes before crossing them - simple truth is nomatter what we do there are some useless drivers out there and this is a very common way for bikers to be taken down. heck what if it was a car instead of a bike? Truckie fail irregardless of either speed.


but we can save the "speeding eats babies" argument to another thread....



Smacked into the truck as I had no chance to react as by the time I saw him he was already in my lane,

you mean it was "unavoidable"?


You didn't see a truck about to pull into your lane?

curious, isn't it?



What did I learn...Crashing into a truck fucking hurts

here's what you should learn: a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it: every time I hear this same crash story it could have been at least minimised if the biker either slowed down enough (like to a 20kph crawl) to not be hurt if not avoid the accident altogether, or better yet had assumed there was some twit about to take that gap ahead.

So, let's say that the truck was totally obscured from view - you're cruising down the line of traffic and what are you doing? Myself, I've got the brakes covered, I'm travelling as fast as my ability to respond to the worst dictates, have an eye on the kerb/driveways for both hazards and escape routes, and i'm watching the traffic for indicators and gaps.

a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it - remember this is auckland we're talking, so a good 99% of the time this will always be true.
ALWAYS assume there are idiots around you - the odds that the person going through is actually looking depends on the locale and time of day but it still never looks good.

Well within 6 months of passing my scratchie I'd figured this one out - Blossoming, I hate to say it mate but perhaps you should go do some rider training as while I'm sure it isn't entirely your fault, not that many learners get taken out 3 times in traffic before getting to their full

[motorbyclist]

Are you going to go for a GT250 again or has your experience told you to look elsewhere?
lol funny how ital doesn't seem to agree with what alot of bikers with actual experience seem to agree on (:bleh: @ Dushy)


The GT250R wasn't a bad bike although I personally preferred my CBR250RR which was my first bike.


, why not get another gt250r. Good bike IMO.
well for one the cbr250 is a better bike and he knows it....

and your formative learner years are a great chance to have a go on different types/styles - what next? another sprotsbike? another failbike? waht about something sporty/tourey/naked(y).... maybe a hornet:blip:

[Ixion]

..
here's what you should learn: a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it: ..
a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it - ..l

This is one of the Great Truths. Except, lose the stationary. Any gap, someone is going to go into it if they're near enough to. Whether it's t lights, or lanesplitting. if you see a gap, half a dozen cage drivers will have seen it too, and decided "Ooohhh, gap! I'll go there " (Usually no logical reason WHY they go there , it's just a lemming response).

[firefighter]

I cringed when i heard 'motorcycle vs truck' on the LMR, good to hear your ok.

As a side note. Fuck some of you are real fuckwits, I bet you'd miss a 10m wide pothole whilst going 110km/h around a blind corner your riding skills are so magnificent......tui

Take it easy brosef, just keep your wits about you next time eh!

[Squiggles]

Fuck some of you are real fuckwits

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[firefighter]

Lol. I'll be a tired grumpy coont all I want!

[Gremlin]

Lol. I'll be a tired grumpy coont all I want!
Sure, but from the guys record, plus his post, I didn't see his idea of riding changing much... which isn't a great way to stay alive in Auckland.

Hence I posted... just in a more tactful way than motorbyclist (who would have thought, I possess tact!)

Fact is, it doesn't matter who's right, who's wrong. Part of your skill as a motorcyclist is handling other people's fuck ups... its only you thats going to go to hospital/replace your vehicle etc.

[mattian]

[/B] every time I hear this same crash story it could have been at least minimised if the biker either slowed down enough (like to a 20kph crawl) to not be hurt if not avoid the accident altogether, .

There you go, you just contradicted yourself after saying that speed was not part of the argument.

[Rayray401]

I agree with Toto...time for a naked Honda, now get mine!, its up for grabs XD

[metalhead]

how much do you want for it?

[Danae]

a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it

+1

You must take this to heart especially while splitting. On my commute I go up mt eden rd (full of idiot drivers, honestly) and often the traffic gets backed up so I split alongside it in the bus lane beside the parked cars. But I am always, ALWAYS wary of the oncoming traffic. There are a number of sidestreets on the left that cars frequently turn into, and they often don't expect to see a vehicle of any kind coming up the side of the queue. Usually they just go for it. On the FXR it is sometimes difficult to see over traffic but I just look for gaps, sidestreets and driveways to shops/petrol stations that cars (or trucks) can suddenly appear in.

Anyways, lucky escape. Try a different bike....mmmm VTR250.

[Real_Wolf]

yeah, same thing down onewa road which I go along, theres lots of side streets and the cars often pull out of them... into you.

On another note, saw a cop car stuck at the top of onewa at the traffic this morning, laughed at him, knowing he'll be stuck for like 30 minutes at least

[motorbyclist]

[/B] every time I hear this same crash story it could have been at least minimised if the biker either slowed down enough (like to a 20kph crawl) to not be hurt if not avoid the accident altogether, .

There you go, you just contradicted yourself after saying that speed was not part of the argument.

well why not quote the whole of the bloody sentence...
"Or better yet, stop riding like a dunce"

i never said speed wasn't a factor, but it does appear that not looking for hazards was the major cause here

i don't want to ruin the thread with the never ending speed argument, so i focus on the "not being oblivious to obvious hazards" aspect of driving/riding - which as an aside note is imho what ACC should be working on, rather than the current mentality of "if they aren't moving faster than waking speed they can't get hurt"

[Rayray401]

how much do you want for it?

mm...5.7k. its an 06' and got low Ks!

[Squiggles]

imho what ACC should be working on

I await your email with suggestions on this... :lol:

[ital916]

well why not quote the whole of the bloody sentence...
"Or better yet, stop riding like a dunce"

i never said speed wasn't a factor, but it does appear that not looking for hazards was the major cause here

i don't want to ruin the thread with the never ending speed argument, so i focus on the "not being oblivious to obvious hazards" aspect of driving/riding - which as an aside note is imho what ACC should be working on, rather than the current mentality of "if they aren't moving faster than waking speed they can't get hurt"

You talk the talk....but can you walk the walk....na I dont think so:oi-grr:;)

Its three pronged, and trying to boost one factor in front of the other is pointless. Speed, hazard identification and rider/driver skills for both us and car drivers are the three areas that ACC is working on.

If you ever attend a defensive drivers course you will realise it is focused almost entirely on hazard identification and vehicle control with a little on speed (same with the motorcycle variants). ACC cannot do everything, they are not omnipotent or all seeing. There is a chain of events that lead to an accident, ACC are focusing publicly on removing the speed aspect but they do acknowledge the other ones. Remove one link in the chain and the accident is less likely to occur.

Stephen I am game for the ACC ride, also if you need someone to write a proposal to ACC for a bike safety week (which I think is a good idea) I am happy to do so after exams.

[Ixion]

I had a very similar experience yesterday , on the motorway (except that I didn't crash).

I'm in the left hand lane of three, heading toward an off ramp some distance ahead.Little traffic in my lane cos it only leads to the off ramp.So I'm nipping along at 100.Traffic in the other two lanes is slowish, maybe 50 -60 .

I come up toward a big truck and trailer thing in lane 2 . High curtainsider. Ahead of the truck, there's a gap developed (truck is slow, can't accelerate).

Spidey wakes up and starts screaming.

Sure enough, when I'm half way down the truck, a car (hidden from me by the truck) dives out of lane three (conjecture, but it's the only place he could have come from), dives through the gap into my lane right in front of me. Doing 60 still. He couldn't see me cos of the truck, but obviously didn't give a fuck anyway. He saw a gap, and he was going through it. Come what may

Luckily I was already slowed right down . Thanks spidey. No issues. Glad I wasn't still doing 100 when he shot through in font of me, but.

Lesson. If there's a gap, some imbecile will dive through it. Never fails.

[aff-man]

That is a particularly nasty place...

Especially with people also pulling out from the gas station...
I'm just off carbine and people on and around the pak highway have started getting pretty ambitious with thier driving. Must be the weather.Be aware of muppets

Glad you came out ok.

[nudedaytona]

I can't help but feel that the motorways are safer than local roads like pakuranga highway or onewa road. At least there's no idiots pulling out of side streets. I used to live on the shore and take onewa road, now I'm in Otahuhu and it's straight on the motorway. It's such a much better ride to work and I enjoy it more because I don't have to worry people coming in from the side.

[blossoming]

who cares?

You can have an accident at 10kph if you aren't looking at what's infront of you:

fact is he didn't see a truck crossing his path - trucks are large, hyosung is high - must've been some very large traffic present to block view of that! Rider fail irregardless of either speed.
a truck driver didn't bother to check both lanes before crossing them - simple truth is nomatter what we do there are some useless drivers out there and this is a very common way for bikers to be taken down. heck what if it was a car instead of a bike? Truckie fail irregardless of either speed.


but we can save the "speeding eats babies" argument to another thread....



you mean it was "unavoidable"?



curious, isn't it?



here's what you should learn: a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it: every time I hear this same crash story it could have been at least minimised if the biker either slowed down enough (like to a 20kph crawl) to not be hurt if not avoid the accident altogether, or better yet had assumed there was some twit about to take that gap ahead.

So, let's say that the truck was totally obscured from view - you're cruising down the line of traffic and what are you doing? Myself, I've got the brakes covered, I'm travelling as fast as my ability to respond to the worst dictates, have an eye on the kerb/driveways for both hazards and escape routes, and i'm watching the traffic for indicators and gaps.

a gap in stationary traffic means someone is going through it - remember this is auckland we're talking, so a good 99% of the time this will always be true.
ALWAYS assume there are idiots around you - the odds that the person going through is actually looking depends on the locale and time of day but it still never looks good.

Well within 6 months of passing my scratchie I'd figured this one out - Blossoming, I hate to say it mate but perhaps you should go do some rider training as while I'm sure it isn't entirely your fault, not that many learners get taken out 3 times in traffic before getting to their full

Haha, I've only been taken out ONCE. And it was just that time. But yeah, I understand what you're coming from. From reading what you've said I understand that I should have looked further ahead than I usually do especially in traffic. Yeah, I might go and look into doing some rider training so I can be slightly more equipped at facing the dangers on the road.

I always assume that they're idiots around me regardless of situation. Personally, I have gone down Pakuranga Road time and time again without any trouble, it was only this time that got me. Guess I was slightly complacent?

The person next to me was driving a truck hence I was obscured from view.

But on a plus, I got a call from the insurance. The other party admitted liability and I should be able to go bike shopping in a week or two. Yay.


Fact is, it doesn't matter who's right, who's wrong. Part of your skill as a motorcyclist is handling other people's fuck ups... its only you thats going to go to hospital/replace your vehicle etc.

Yeah I understand. I still have to get grips on how to ride "properly" in traffic even though I've read books while on my learners on the hazards.

Thanks for the tips guys, I'll definitely take a harder look at how I ride.

[Danae]

Glad you're taking the advice. Awesome, bike shopping!

From what I understand the SMC has recieved a grant for rider training which should pay for a bit of a course like RRRS. If so I am most definitely going!