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Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 17:13
Keen for a short ride tomorrow to enjoy the weather. Can't really do a coro cause of time restrictions, so I'm thinking either Kaiaua for fish n chips or down SH22 for a blast.

Post up if you're keen for anything :scooter:

Not fussed bout slower riders, that's fine by me I'll stick with ya.

:sunny:

Oh and timing depends on where we go... Preferably quite early though, always best! As in 9am or so, bit later if heading out Kaiaua for lunch though.

I'll be hitting up something like this:

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Karaka&daddr=Clevedon+Kawakawa+Rd+to:kaiaua+to:-37.103384,175.094604+to:karaka&hl=en&geocode=Ffvkyf0dL2lsCg%3BFVbly_0dzKBvCg%3B%3B%3B&mra=dpe&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=10&via=1,3&sll=-37.08775,175.089685&sspn=0.465585,0.899506&ie=UTF8&ll=-37.045313,175.22644&spn=0.465847,0.899506&z=10

FINAL DETAILS:

Meeting 10am Clevedon main road by shops, heading out Kaiaua for lunch, route back to be decided, if time is short will just come back via Hunua's as per the map. So far it's me and two horny hornets.

Make that 3 horny hornets... C'mon team v4 I'm outnumbered!

Squiggles
31st October 2009, 17:38
Have-a-go-day.

Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 17:45
Have-a-go-day.

:bash:

:scooter:

PirateJafa
31st October 2009, 17:59
Exam on Monday, so having a quiet day.

Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 18:00
Exam on Monday, so having a quiet day.

Sweet.

So far it's me and Toto.

PirateJafa
31st October 2009, 18:02
Sweet.

So far it's me and Toto.

Shoulda come up 16 and Woodcocks with us today - ended up at the Puhoi pub. ;)

Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 18:05
Shoulda come up 16 and Woodcocks with us today - ended up at the Puhoi pub. ;)

Jafa I'll tell you again, it's hard to come on these rides if I don't get told :bash:

I was busy anyway so going tomorrow.

Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 19:52
Bump. I'm thinking meet Clevedon 10am head to Kaiaua for an early lunch.

Rayray401
31st October 2009, 20:48
mm indeed...exams wed thurs fri nxt week....quiet weekend for me..

Ragingrob
31st October 2009, 21:28
Final details posted up in first post. 10am Clevedon.

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 07:36
Bump for the morning. See ya out there!

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 12:53
Sweet short ride in beautiful weather. Met the guys at Clevedon, head straight to Kaiaua for some yummy food nice and early before it got busy, we left and there was a line of half a dozen people, then went across to the Hunua's where the others turned off to Clevedon and I rocked the twisties through to Papakura.

Lots of bikes and cyclists about. Came around one corner to find bikes on the left and one across the road in the grass, upright, with rider on top, that was weird :weird:

Just what I needed :yes:, big rides to come once exams are done! Coro coro coro :scooter:

:rockon:

TOTO
1st November 2009, 13:44
trully gorgeous day Rob. Was nice to go for a wee play :)

TOTO
1st November 2009, 13:52
who that paparazzi ?

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 13:55
who that paparazzi ?

Whoa is that Brad Pitt?? :gob:

TOTO
1st November 2009, 13:58
Whoa is that Brad Pitt?? :gob:

You can see Angelina Jolie's boob from behind the tree while she was hiding :killingme

shingo
1st November 2009, 13:59
Where'd the red front rim come from Rob?

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:00
Where'd the red front rim come from Rob?

Finally fixed my front disc warping problem (I think), by swapping the front rim. The paint is all crappy though so when I have time/money I'll probably get the rims powdercoated, maybe both red as it doesn't get so dirty so quickly!!

shingo
1st November 2009, 14:02
Finally fixed my front disc warping problem (I think), by swapping the front rim. The paint is all crappy though so when I have time/money I'll probably get the rims powdercoated, maybe both red as it doesn't get so dirty so quickly!!

Screw Red. Just polish them up with autosol. Would look sweet with the silver fairings!

TOTO
1st November 2009, 14:03
Screw Red. Just polish them up with autosol. Would look sweet with the silver fairings!

good point :)

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:06
Screw Red. Just polish them up with autosol. Would look sweet with the silver fairings!


good point :)

Lol seriously?? Silver fairings with silver rims?!

:blink:

TOTO
1st November 2009, 14:13
Lol seriously?? Silver fairings with silver rims?!

:blink:

well if you gonna be painting them both red you will need to strip the paint first anyway. if you polish them and you dont like them, they are ready for repainting.

Win/win I reckon :yeah:

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:17
well if you gonna be painting them both red you will need to strip the paint first anyway. if you polish them and you dont like them, they are ready for repainting.

Win/win I reckon :yeah:

Haha true true! Could be a plan after exams. Just means taking the bloody wheels off haha :bash:

shingo
1st November 2009, 14:23
Haha true true! Could be a plan after exams. Just means taking the bloody wheels off haha :bash:

You should polish up the front forks at the sametime. Then it will be the true Silver Surfer.

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:31
You should polish up the front forks at the sametime. Then it will be the true Silver Surfer.

Seeing as someone has half polished one side of the forks already I could actually do that too. Haha the bike would seriously be silver after all this though!!! :yes:

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:32
You should polish up the front forks at the sametime. Then it will be the true Silver Surfer.

How hard would polished rims be to keep clean though? Just as hard as white ones :sweatdrop?

shingo
1st November 2009, 14:35
Any colour rim is hard to keep clean, but polished ones are no worse than painted from what people have said. Besides, you only have half a swing arm to get in the way.

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 14:41
Any colour rim is hard to keep clean, but polished ones are no worse than painted from what people have said. Besides, you only have half a swing arm to get in the way.

Gimme two weeks, two days, and I'll get some pics up :sunny:

motorbyclist
1st November 2009, 22:17
Screw Red. Just polish them up with autosol. Would look sweet with the silver fairings!

+1 - these things look great with polished rims - I hear you can even clear-coat it for protection too

if you're "lucky" the honda powdercoat will come straight off with a touch of brake-cleen

(what did you use to get paint that's been on for 20 years to suddenly come off within two months of you owning it?)

Ragingrob
1st November 2009, 23:15
+1 - these things look great with polished rims - I hear you can even clear-coat it for protection too

if you're "lucky" the honda powdercoat will come straight off with a touch of brake-cleen

(what did you use to get paint that's been on for 20 years to suddenly come off within two months of you owning it?)

It was like that when I got it, and I think it's just average paint ay not even powdercoated. Is autosol fine to use too? Just like dip on a rag and wipe it?

Clear-coat to protect from rust etc?

Slyer
2nd November 2009, 07:54
Your wheels would be aluminium or some other alloy wouldn't they? Rusting shouldn't be a problem. It's just to protect it a bit.

jono035
2nd November 2009, 08:07
Your wheels would be aluminium or some other alloy wouldn't they? Rusting shouldn't be a problem. It's just to protect it a bit.

Yeah, it's worth clear-coating them. In other threads people have mentioned that it makes em easier to keep clean too.

If you want em to come up shiny it'd pay to have a bit of sandpaper ready in case they've got the original casting surface on them.

bomma
2nd November 2009, 10:23
got back from town at 5am, woke up at 12. ended up goin out to kaiaua a bit later on, round 2, for some fush n chups with the missus. was a gorgeous day out and saw a heap of bikers!! :niceone:

vifferman
2nd November 2009, 10:50
How hard would polished rims be to keep clean though? Just as hard as white ones :sweatdrop?
Nope.
I had white wheels on the VFR750 - they were de debil.:devil2:
Stripped'n'polished them, and they were a piece of piss to keep clean.

I suspect the paint/powdercoat electrostatically attracts road spooge, whereas the shiny alloy lets the dust'n'dirt'n'spooge slide right off.

Yeah, it's worth clear-coating them. In other threads people have mentioned that it makes em easier to keep clean too.
I've read lotsa cases of the clearcoat either discolouring, or cracking/flaking, or otherwise misbehaving. And if it's paint, the you're back to it attracting road spooge.


If you want em to come up shiny it'd pay to have a bit of sandpaper ready in case they've got the original casting surface on them.
If they're like other wheels, the rims are machined, but sandcast on the centre bits where the spokes are. It looks OK not polished.

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=1498&pictureid=30969"></img>

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=1498&pictureid=30968"></img>

Slyer
2nd November 2009, 11:01
Nope.
I had white wheels on the VFR750 - they were de debil.:devil2:
Stripped'n'polished them, and they were a piece of piss to keep clean.
Nice what did you use to polish them? I might do this with my wheels as well.

Squiggles
2nd November 2009, 12:00
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=72279&highlight=polished+NC30
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=92224&highlight=polished+NC30

Slyer
2nd November 2009, 12:22
You're all doing it wrong. ;)
Will post photos when I get home.

Ragingrob
2nd November 2009, 12:28
Fun times, silver rims will be all good!

motorbyclist
2nd November 2009, 12:36
I doubt static attraction has anything whatsoever to do with the dirt sticking. Surface finish, however, might have a greater effect.


Clear-coat to protect from rust etc?

the aluminium might start corroding if it's kept in damp conditions and ruin the aesthetic (see ross's vfr chassis for a good example:shutup:)

but i'd imagine it'd be fine for atleast 18 months if you polish it well enough - the smoother the finish the longer it'll last and the easier it will be to clean (and the cooler it will look)


You're all doing it wrong. ;)
Will post photos when I get home.

chrome paint in a can on top of your dirty red rims with zero prep is NOT the same as polishing is a great idea :niceone:

ital916
2nd November 2009, 14:01
the aluminium might start corroding if it's kept in damp conditions and ruin the aesthetic (see ross's vfr chassis for a good example:shutup:)


Tis very difficult for aluminium to corrode thanks to its very protective oxide layer, so freshly stripped and polished alu rims should be sweet from corrosion....you scream, I scream, we all scream for ALUMINIUM!

Real_Wolf
2nd November 2009, 14:37
Aluminium very much enjoys being an oxide, and as such unless you strip that oxide layer off it won't rust.

Strip it off however and yes, it can easily rust

R6_kid
2nd November 2009, 14:49
Strip it off however and yes, it can easily rust

Aluminium doesn't rust, it oxidises!

Slyer
2nd November 2009, 14:50
You need to strip off the rust for it to rust more though. :bleh:

motorbyclist
2nd November 2009, 15:18
Tis very difficult for aluminium to corrode thanks to its very protective oxide layer, so freshly stripped and polished alu rims should be sweet from corrosion....you scream, I scream, we all scream for ALUMINIUM!

excuse my terminology and look at ross's vfr chassis for what i mean - the oxide layer has it's limits, and aluminium can corrode (or "rot")

vifferman
2nd November 2009, 15:25
Yes, aluminium oxide is more stable that ferrous oxide, and also very thin. However, throw other things into the mix, like brake dust (which can contain particles of other metals like copper), contact with other metal parts, scratches, or salt air (luckily in NewZealand we're MILES from the sea :rolleyes:) and you can get other corrosion happening.
All it takes to prevent that is a little bit of wax, some anodising (actually a form of electroplating involving dye), or some plastic (paint or powdercoat).

motorbyclist
2nd November 2009, 15:30
come to think of it, my rvf carbies (externally) are a good example of it too - and the slide within Brown Fury's carby.


I'm not saying it's structural, but it IS aesthetic - and the better the polished surface the better it looks and the longer it will last.

<img src="http://www.funksoulkitty.org/shockypage/june/swap/mswap073.jpg" width="500" height="437">

jono035
2nd November 2009, 15:43
Yeah, and bear in mind that we're not too far from a marine environment. Anodizing can help but that's not a DIY job.

Cast ally sucks terribly at resisting surface corrosion, just look at all the fucked-out security camera housings around the place. It takes a hell of a lot longer to become a structural issue but it still corrodes if not looked after.

If you're willing to give it a clean and rub down every couple of months and don't let it get anywhere near lime/sea etc. and keep it mostly dry then it'll do fine without a top coat.

Vifferman - what would you suggest instead of clearcoat? Discolouration is a badly selected clearcoat and flaking is a combination of that or poor surface prep.

ital916
2nd November 2009, 16:54
excuse my terminology and look at ross's vfr chassis for what i mean - the oxide layer has it's limits, and aluminium can corrode (or "rot")

I wasnt arguing the fact that it corrodes, it does indeed corrode (not rust real_wolf) but, it takes a fair bit of abusive conditions/elements to strip the protective oxide layer from aluminium and cause structural damage. Cosmetic corrosion occurs over time, unless you really keep on top of it.

Danae
3rd November 2009, 10:57
...but i'd imagine it'd be fine for atleast 18 months if you polish it well enough - the smoother the finish the longer it'll last and the easier it will be to clean (and the cooler it will look)


Tis very difficult for aluminium to corrode thanks to its very protective oxide layer, so freshly stripped and polished alu rims should be sweet from corrosion....you scream, I scream, we all scream for ALUMINIUM!


Cosmetic corrosion occurs over time, unless you really keep on top of it.

Like 18 months kind of time?

jono035
3rd November 2009, 11:10
Like 18 months kind of time?

Depends on the aluminium and environment but 18 months for cast ally to look pretty crappy is probably about right.

At the port anything unprotected and cast turned to crap in a month, but that's a pretty nasty environment. The cast ally painted enclosures that were protected from standing water had corroded right out from under the paint and were starting to get pretty dodgy after 18 months.

I'd guess in this case it may take easily more than 18 months to end up looking like motorbyclist's pic there but may only take a month before they need repolishing if you want them to shine?

Edit: It isn't going to damage your wheels in any way at all to leave them uncoated so the logical step is to just do it and report the results so that we all know for sure what the deal is... Worst comes to the worst in a couple of months time you give them a quick sand up and then coat them. The marine-grade anodizing for protection looks pretty nice too, very slight gunmetal tinge to the ally and it's pretty rugged. We've had enclosures made from aluminium extrusion and then marine-grade anodized that are right at the waters edge and still look perfect after a few years...

Real_Wolf
3rd November 2009, 14:19
Aluminium doesn't rust, it oxidises!

What is rust on Iron.

Lets see, I believe it is a form of Fe2O3 usually, which... wow... it seems to be an oxide. Yes there are other rust products, but iron oxide is a common one from exposure to air and moisture, along with some Fe(Oh) product


it does indeed corrode (not rust real_wolf)

Sorry, wrong terminology, I was using rust as the Metal turning into an Ion, through contact with other non-aluminium things, such as other metals or water or air, unlike rust which does not include other metals or other metal ions in a salt

motorbyclist
4th November 2009, 16:55
go-go-gadget high school chemistry!

Rust is what we call the orange stuff a chemist might refer to as an iron oxide. Rusting is the process of iron reacting with oxygen.

Oxidisation is a chemical reaction process in which the substance being oxidised donates** electrons to the substance "oxidising" it.

Oxidisation has nothing to do with whether or not oxygen is involved; oxygen is just one of the more common (and powerful) chemicals to cause it.

The chemical corrosion of aluminium I'm referring to is not normally a reaction with oxygen, which forms a protective aluminium oxide layer, but a reaction with a halide such as chloride ions which we find in abundance in tap, ground and sea water. This forms the white aluminium chloride (aluminium salt) crystals what will ruin the aesthetics of an aluminium surface.


**electron flow may be the other way round, I havn't touched redox since high-school

Phurrball
4th November 2009, 19:27
Didn't take long for the Damp Lainghom environment to take its toll on my formerly Arizona and Nelson housed VFR. In about 8 months things were starting to fur up. Not happy, but I live in a shitty hovel and the bikes fare worse in their shed :weep:

Not sure about teh chassis though Andrew - definitely the engine, and even through the powdercoat on the wheels (FFS Honda!)

Sigh.

EDIT - WTF is that in your pic Andrew? Looks more like a car engine than a bike - toothed-belt driven waterpump and cams perchance?

Squiggles
4th November 2009, 22:17
Oxidisation

Oxidation.

Slyer
4th November 2009, 22:22
Oxidation.
Oxidation, oxidization, oxidisation. Same shit.

motorbyclist
5th November 2009, 19:42
i was wondering when the alledged chem student was going to get around to posting...


EDIT - WTF is that in your pic Andrew? Looks more like a car engine than a bike - toothed-belt driven waterpump and cams perchance?

something i found on the net - no idea what it is but it showed what i was talking about