C***T! Watch out for cops around Wellesley & Princes St @ Auck Uni

[metalslug]

bloody f**ken c**t

came to uni today, travel past queen st and went up wellesley st, was about the left turn into princes st when a cop parked on the side stopped me.

said I didnt stop for 3 bloody seconds at the yellow line. there were no cars at the time and the yellow line was so faded you can't see shat. Fined me 150 for this BS.

Got to watch out ... I had to take this for the team....

ride safe

[PirateJafa]

Since when do you have to stop for three seconds?

IIRC you just have to come to a full and stationary stop - with motorbikes, apparently you're meant to put your foot down to show this.

[p.dath]

I didn't know there was a time limit either. Will have to make a mental note of that.

[Waxxa]

Since when do you have to stop for three seconds?

IIRC you just have to come to a full and stationary stop - with motorbikes, apparently you're meant to put your foot down to show this.

Both feet need to touch the ground apparantly. I know someone who failed their restricted because of this ruling.

[Thani-B]

Stop sign
At an intersection controlled by a Stop sign you must:

come to a complete stop, not just slow down
stop where you can see vehicles coming from all directions
stay stopped and give way to all other vehicles (including cycles, motorcycles etc)
use the give way rules if you and another vehicle are coming towards each other and you are both at Stop signs
not go until it is safe for you and all other traffic.
Single or double yellow lines are marked on sealed roads to help you stop where you can best see other traffic.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-controlled-intersections.html

I've heard that it should be 3 seconds but I can't find anywhere that says it.

[metalslug]

yea it has to be 3 seconds cuz I asked the cop...and complete stop

I have been through this place almost every week for the last 4 years.... kind of got used to it and never realised it has yellow lines and stop signs. habits eh...:no:

Also the way the cop parked on the side I think she is stationed there just to catch all the ppl who didnt follow these rules. Well it's gonna be a fat year for them...

[PirateJafa]

yea it has to be 3 seconds cuz I asked the cop...and complete stop

You will find that from time to time what the cops say ≠ what the law says.

You should look into it.

[SlashWylde]

Since when do you have to stop for three seconds?.

That's what I was taught when I went through my car licensing process in 2000. My flatmate was also fined $150.00 for not stopping for three seconds at a stop sign. The officer acknowledged that my mate did stop, but that he did not stay stationary for the requisite 3 seconds.

Now I am pedantic about stopping for 3 seconds, can't afford the alternative.

[bogan]

Both feet need to touch the ground apparantly. I know someone who failed their restricted because of this ruling.

you can fail your restricted if the tester reckons its a must, the guy in palmy doesnt think its a must, actually no low saying you have to put either foot down, though its prolly a good idea

[crazyhorse]

Both feet need to touch the ground apparantly. I know someone who failed their restricted because of this ruling.

I don't know of many riders who actually do put both feet on the ground. Even at traffic lights....... stupid rule :done:

[Grumpy Gnomb]

Yeah you stop for 3 seconds and than get hit up the bum by the car behind who than yells at you how come you did not move as there was no cars coming

[Squiggles]

Did you stop at all? That intersection is notorious for people just flying through, its not new news that they're targetting those who fail to stop...

[R6_kid]

Stop your bitching and contest the ticket, that is assuming you came to a complete stop. You only have to write in for it to be considered. If they Area Commander, or whoever reviews it, thinks that the Officer that gave you the ticket was being unreasonable then they will have it over-turned.

As Squiggles said, that intersection is well known for being an accident-prone spot, and I'm pretty sure they've been asked to watch it. The fucked up thing is that the straight through is a give way, but the left hand turn to merge is a stop - it really should be the other way around. I've been narrowly missed twice by people running the giveway, but haven't as yet had trouble with the people turning left from the stop sign.

[Babelfish]

Typical. Rather than education in a nice and informative way (and perhaps innovative which seems to escape the rozzers), they place some donut toting bully boy on a corner and await the first person to forget that tucked away in the road code they read 40 years ago is a point about 3 seconds wait. Luckily, the policeman's code of ethics doesnt inlude using common sense so we can't pull them up on that. I often wonder why I have taken an "us and them" viewpoint, and its examples like this that fuel such a notion. Shame really. It'd be so much better if they just got their head extracted from their arse.

Bad luck mate.


yea it has to be 3 seconds cuz I asked the cop...and complete stop

I have been through this place almost every week for the last 4 years.... kind of got used to it and never realised it has yellow lines and stop signs. habits eh...:no:

Also the way the cop parked on the side I think she is stationed there just to catch all the ppl who didnt follow these rules. Well it's gonna be a fat year for them...

[Squiggles]

The fucked up thing is that the straight through is a give way, but the left hand turn to merge is a stop - it really should be the other way around. I've been narrowly missed twice by people running the giveway, but haven't as yet had trouble with the people turning left from the stop sign.

I believe its more of an issue with pedestrians, people dont look left just glance right and go... straight into the person crossing the road =\

[EJK]

Damn that must have sucked. $150 fine when unaware is surely a big/ expensive suprise.

[scumdog]

Damn that must have sucked. $150 fine when unaware is surely a big/ expensive suprise.

I bet they won't be caught out again though....

[Ragingrob]

Ah well maybe you should stop at stop signs? Seeing as it's in the law and all.

[slofox]

Soooo...does this mean we see coppers sitting by stop signs with stopwatches in their hands?

"...Ahhh sorry Sir, but you only stopped for 2.984 seconds. $150 please thank you KaCHING!"

Strikes me as letter of the law, not spirit of the law...

[metalslug]

not going to be bothered contesting about it.After all I did slow down and stopped for a wee sec but definitely not enough for 3 seconds. The law is the law.

This situation kind of reminds me of road work signs with 30 km/h on a 80 k zone road, only the road looks perfectly fine and there are no workers around. Now try and do <30 with a big queue behind you ... But I knew people who have been caught out in these situation and received a big fine...

Lesson learned: Stop for 3 seconds next time (especially in city area with lots of cops around)

[bogan]

road code rules


Stop sign

At an intersection controlled by a Stop sign, you must:
come to a complete stop, not just slow down
stop where you can see vehicles coming from all directions
stay stopped until you have given way to all other vehicles (including cycles and other motorcycles, etc)
use the give way rules if you and another vehicle are coming towards each other and you are both at Stop signs
not go until it is safe for you and all other traffic.

Single or double yellow lines are marked on sealed roads to help you stop where you can best see other traffic.

says come to a complete stop, doesnt specify how long, methinks the 3 sec "rule" is just a guideline, and perhaps you dint come to a satisfactorily complete stop so he just said 3 secs so you wouldn't argue

[SPman]

not going to be bothered contesting about it.After all I did slow down and stopped for a wee sec but definitely not enough for 3 seconds. The law is the law.

This situation kind of reminds me of road work signs with 30 km/h on a 80 k zone road, only the road looks perfectly fine and there are no workers around. Now try and do <30 with a big queue behind you ... But I knew people who have been caught out in these situation and received a big fine...

Lesson learned: Stop for 3 seconds next time (especially in city area with lots of cops around)
If there is no written requirement for a 3 sec stop, then, as long as you are stationary (ie, stopped, no forward movement), you can contest it! If they want you to stop for 3 seconds, then write it down in the law books!

[avgas]

3 second stop is not the law.
bikers putting both feet down is not the law.

The law states you must stop ONLY. This means the vehicle can not move for a period. Since a period of response it typically 0.7 sec.....this means you must stop greater than atleast 0.5 second (any less and people external to you may not register that you stopped).

Either way you fail - as you did not STOP. So here is a hint - allow palm in right hand to let throttle close, pull clutch in with left hand, slowly ease in brake in right hand until vehicle STOPS, then slowly release fingers on both levers as throttle is applied.

STOP does not mean give way, slow down or even "be cautious for police".....STOP MEANS STOP. You can not blame anyone else for your lack of ability to fail the most simple law in the world

[scumdog]

3 second stop is not the law.
bikers putting both feet down is not the law.

The law states you must stop ONLY. This means the vehicle can not move for a period. Since a period of response it typically 0.7 sec.....this means you must stop greater than atleast 0.5 second (any less and people external to you may not register that you stopped).

Either way you fail - as you did not STOP. So here is a hint - allow palm in right hand to let throttle close, pull clutch in with left hand, slowly ease in brake in right hand until vehicle STOPS, then slowly release fingers on both levers as throttle is applied.

STOP does not mean give way, slow down or even "be cautious for police".....STOP MEANS STOP. You can not blame anyone else for your lack of ability to fail the most simple law in the world

Except when it's a Texas Rolling Stop (tm):msn-wink:

[Ixion]

There is no legal requirement to stop for three seconds (or any number of seconds). You must stop. Stop completely. And ensure the way is clear before proceeding. It might be hard to do that in less than three seconds. There is an implicit assumption that you stop THEN check the way is clear, not check left and right as you bowl up, stop for 100 milliseconds and proceed. The cops have obviously decided on three seconds as an internal convention to get round the "I did so stop - for at least 100 milliseconds" people. But if the cop admitted that you did stop (and would not deny he said that), then you should get off.

[R6_kid]

not going to be bothered contesting about it.After all I did slow down and stopped for a wee sec but definitely not enough for 3 seconds. The law is the law.

Bollocks. Pick up your balls and don't be such a fucking push-over. It's going to take you 10minutes max to potentially save yourself $150. Sound's like easy work to me. If you can honestly say that you stopped, and the cop at least agrees with that then you are off the ticket. The law is the law, so don't pay a fine if you haven't broken it.

[Real_Wolf]

Its fairly simple, has to be your wheels that have stopped, such that when you start off again you have some static fiction on your wheels.

A good idea is to NOT glance left or right before stopping, and wait till you've stopped to look for the traffic, its not required but it helps make sure that you don't glance, see no ones there, and go through without fully stopping.

3 seconds is totally not the rule, but stopping is. Please learn to stop at that intersection because the number of people who go through it without stopping, sometimes even with the 'through' lane from the motorway direction having someone in it.

[CookMySock]

lol what a sheep. Wander down to the police station and ask to speak to the sergeant and ask him what the hell is his staff thinking, and give him the ticket back and tell him to jam it.

Alternatively, read up on the Summary Proceedings Act and have some fun at the pigs expense. It will be an interesting excercise.

Steve

[scumdog]

lol what a sheep. Wander down to the police station and ask to speak to the sergeant and ask him what the hell is his staff thinking, and give him the ticket back and tell him to jam it.

Alternatively, read up on the Summary Proceedings Act and have some fun at the pigs expense. It will be an interesting excercise.

Steve

And you'll be paying any 'expenses' incurred by this person following your advice.???

[wynw]

did you ask to see his calibration cert for his watch?

[Latte]

did you ask to see his calibration cert for his watch?

Classic - I so want to use that line for real , pity I can't afford the $150 ticket to go with it.

[Squiggles]

This seems like the perect place to post this then :lol:
191956
(In all seriousness ill put up a thread soon on it)

[motorbyclist]

Bollocks. Pick up your balls and don't be such a fucking push-over. It's going to take you 10minutes max to potentially save yourself $150. Sound's like easy work to me. If you can honestly say that you stopped, and the cop at least agrees with that then you are off the ticket. The law is the law, so don't pay a fine if you haven't broken it.

+1

it's a win win this way - you learn your lesson but don't go out of pocket in doing so... or do they consider that a win-lose?

[motorbyclist]

This seems like the perect place to post this then :lol:
191956
(In all seriousness ill put up a thread soon on it)

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117278-Role-Model-Rider-Campaign-win-50-petrol-vouchers-and-more?p=1129618239#post1129618239

took me all of 5 minutes

[CookMySock]

And you'll be paying any 'expenses' incurred by this person following your advice.???Don't be a dick, mate. Speak up and help him. Poking 'funny' jibes in here and there is all good, but why not actually assist?

I stand by my statement. Cops can't pull 'law' out of their arse and wipe it on unsuspecting compliant law-abiding citizens. Get angry and tell them to get bent.

Steve

[Squiggles]

You can usually see the cop if you look left at that stop sign :lol:

[Thani-B]

Bollocks. Pick up your balls and don't be such a fucking push-over. It's going to take you 10minutes max to potentially save yourself $150. Sound's like easy work to me. If you can honestly say that you stopped, and the cop at least agrees with that then you are off the ticket. The law is the law, so don't pay a fine if you haven't broken it.

Only works if the cop agrees with you saying you stopped, but as he gave you a ticket for not stopping to begin with, do you really think he will say "actually nah, you did stop after all" ?

[red mermaid]

Waste of time looking for the cops at that intersection, or any other that has a Stop sign.

You should be looking for the best place to stop completely so if you can see if the way is clear to go, and most important of all, look for other vehicles that could plant your face in the tar seal when they hit you.

[R6_kid]

Only works if the cop agrees with you saying you stopped, but as he gave you a ticket for not stopping to begin with, do you really think he will say "actually nah, you did stop after all" ?

Well he did say that the he "didn't stop for three seconds" - my logic would tell me that if he didn't stop at all then something like "you didn't stop at all" would have been said. Either way, that doesn't negate the fact that it's worth a try writing the letter to contest it - not all cops are arseholes.

[Real_Wolf]

You can usually see the cop if you look left at that stop sign :lol:

:P, you should look left anyway. What if theres a car there reversing out of a parking space, or a pedestrian, or etc.

[red mermaid]

So is it to be assumed that anyone who has got, or gets a ticket, has not looked properly and therefore put themselves at risk of getting hit by a vehicle coming along the road.

I think so.

And now suddenly the logic of stopping and checking for other traffic properly becomes so clear.

[PirateJafa]

So is it to be assumed that anyone who has got, or gets a ticket, has not looked properly and therefore put themselves at risk of getting hit by a vehicle coming along the road.

I think so.

And now suddenly the logic of stopping and checking for other traffic properly becomes so clear.

Unless you get nailed by a car reversing at speed, then the only danger to look for to the left at this intersection would be a cop car.

[red mermaid]

But if you stop and look properly you will see the reversing car, and the cop by the very nature of who he/she is and the job they do, is not a danger.

[PirateJafa]

But if you stop and look properly you will see the reversing car, and the cop by the very nature of who he/she is and the job they do, is not a danger.

<img src="http://static.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/836/163836.jpg">

[red mermaid]

Oh, thats right, you also have to watch out for speeding motorcyclists as well.

[Squiggles]

:P, you should look left anyway. What if theres a car there reversing out of a parking space, or a pedestrian, or etc.

No shit sherlock... Stop, look both ways, you'd see the cop but he wouldnt be ticketing you. Suspect the OP did the slow to near stop, look right and go... Didnt see the cop & didnt stop.


Unless you get nailed by a car reversing at speed, then the only danger to look for to the left at this intersection would be a cop car.

Funny that the pic is of a U turn accident, plenty of morons doing that just after they turn left onto princes :p

[vifferman]

Yeah you stop for 3 seconds and than get hit up the bum by the car behind who than yells at you how come you did not move as there was no cars coming
That happened to me a few years ago - twice in the car, once on the bike. On each occasion, the person behind me must've assumed I was going to just roll through, not come to a complete stop. When it happened on the bike, I parked it, and got off to see if there was any damage. The eejit behind me also got out of their car, but I couldn't be farkt talking to them, so as there was no damage, I just took off and left them standing in the middle of the road.

[BevanPT]

Here's the relevant section from Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004:

Regulation by clause
Contents › Part 4 Stopping and giving way
4.1 Giving way where vehicles are controlled by stop sign or give-way sign
(1) A driver approaching or entering an intersection on a roadway where the vehicles that are moving in the direction in which that driver is travelling are controlled by a stop sign at or near the intersection must—

(a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed; and

(b) give way to any vehicles approaching or crossing the intersection from a roadway not controlled by a stop sign.

Definitely no 3 second rule there.

Contest that bullshit!!

[bogan]

yea it has to be 3 seconds cuz I asked the cop...and complete stop

I have been through this place almost every week for the last 4 years.... kind of got used to it and never realised it has yellow lines and stop signs. habits eh...:no:

Also the way the cop parked on the side I think she is stationed there just to catch all the ppl who didnt follow these rules. Well it's gonna be a fat year for them...


Contest that bullshit!!

But what is he getting fined for, stopping but not for 3 seconds, or not stopping at all? If its the latter theres no point contesting that shit!

[motorbyclist]

look, the cop is there purely because drivers arn't looking and are hitting pedestrians when they make their left hand turn.

yes, if pedestrians were themselves looking or using any of the pedestrian crossings this wouldn't be an issue.

yes there is a risk of hitting parking cars but i suspect that isn't their main concern here.

the fact is that if you didn't see the cop (and then stop for the stop sign) then clearly you didn't look.

if you DO see the cop, stop, then set off again and he tries to ticket you regardless for failing to stop, that is exactly what contesting tickets is for.

[firefighter]

Both feet need to touch the ground apparantly. I know someone who failed their restricted because of this ruling.

Awesome. Internet lawyers.

Apparently your wrong. You are permitted to use your rear brake, which means one foot down, and iv'e never seen any literature to support it being law to have even one down. (i'm not debating whether this is or not but two down is false and incorrect advice)

[Thani-B]

Awesome. Internet lawyers.

Apparently your wrong. You are permitted to use your rear brake, which means one foot down, and iv'e never seen any literature to support it being law to have even one down. (i'm not debating whether this is or not but two down is false and incorrect advice)

My mum knew someone who the cop tried to ticket for not stopping as he didn't put his feet down, he then proved to the cop that he could stop and be absolutely stationary for longer than 3 seconds with no feet touching the ground. He got off the ticket. And the cop was later seen trying to practise it himself.

[Berries]

So is it to be assumed that anyone who has got, or gets a ticket, has not looked properly and therefore put themselves at risk of getting hit by a vehicle coming along the road.

I think so.

Assuming the Stop sign is there for the correct reasons, ie limited visibility then you would be right. But many go up to placate residents or without checking visibilty constraints. Those constraints are measured from a drivers eye height so in a number of cases, say if the restriction is caused by bridge railings for example, a rider can see over them and not be subject to the same limitations. So on a bike you can often look properly and not put yourself at risk of getting hit by a vehicle coming along the road because a) you are higher and b) sometimes the sign does not meet the required criteria for its use.

You can't argue that wth the cop because a Stop sign means stop and you are supposed to obey the signs so you'd be lucky to get off the ticket.

I don't know this particular intersection so maybe the visibility really is poor. But someone is having a laugh with the failing to stop for three seconds and not putting both feet down bollocks. I'm surprised the cop didn't throw the book at the OP and charge him for wearing a white helmet on a Tuesday as well.

[Hanne]

White helmets on Tuedays? Wy, that's almost treason!!!

[motorbyclist]

Awesome. Internet lawyers.

Apparently your wrong. You are permitted to use your rear brake, which means one foot down

as the poster said, for your licence test, many "testing officers" will require you to use both feet. The fact that they have no clue about motorcycling is not part of that equation. I nearly failed my restricted because I gave way when I had right of way - for some reason the fact that I avoided an accident as the other driver failed to give way was beyond him.

not that what you do in your licence has any bearing on what you do in practice anyway


Assuming the Stop sign is there for the correct reasons, ie limited visibility then you would be right. But many go up to placate residents or without checking visibilty constraints

you're right - but this one went up because auckland drivers are totally fucking hopeless, and the pedestrians on that intersection are even worse. Visibility is fine, but the drivers are still hitting pedestrians

[Swoop]

Definitely no 3 second rule there.

Contest that bullshit!!
Damn' right! Stop, make sure the way is clear and then proceed.

... because <STRIKE>auckland</STRIKE> NEW ZEALAND drivers are totally fucking hopeless...
Fixed it for ya!

[zzzbang]

SO, how did this douche time your stop? did he stand there going 1001, 1002, 100..... bet he couldnt even count to 1003.

[scumdog]

SO, how did this douche time your stop? did he stand there going 1001, 1002, 100..... bet he couldnt even count to 1003.

I timed it - one minute forty three seconds to count to 1003..

[sAsLEX]

I believe its more of an issue with pedestrians, people dont look left just glance right and go... straight into the person crossing the road =\

On a marked pedestrian crossing?


I bet they won't be caught out again though....

lol, recidivism is zero in this country?




The law states you must stop ONLY. This means the vehicle can not move for a period. Since a period of response it typically 0.7 sec.....this means you must stop greater than atleast 0.5 second (any less and people external to you may not register that you stopped).


Does the law state you must stop long enough for geriatric police to register, or just to stop? Innocent until proven guilty......... .except on traffic convictions.

[Danae]

On a marked pedestrian crossing?

It's not exactly a zebra crossing, just a traffic island. I believe motorbyclist coming from wellesley st almost hit some numpty who wasn't looking; the car giving way to the bike beeped their horn. The pedestrian finally looked up and stopped, saving the riffer from getting a new paintjob.

[motorbyclist]

On a marked pedestrian crossing?


the crossing is about 30meters away and has lights to stop the traffic. there's a pedestrian overpass fairly close by too, to get over wellesley.

instead, the lazy buggers cross as this busy and unusual intersection, in all directions, and DO walk without looking. this is the case ALL over the streets surrounding the university, despite the councils best efforts to ruin traffic flow; there's now even a crossing with lights directly above an underpass on symonds, and people still cross willy-nilly

[Danae]

there's now even a crossing with lights directly above an underpass on symonds, and people still cross willy-nilly

And they press the button and cross anyway, causing the traffic that already gets held up by the stupid phasing at the next lights to get held up even more.

[motorbyclist]

It's not exactly a zebra crossing, just a traffic island. I believe motorbyclist coming from wellesley st almost hit some numpty who wasn't looking; the car giving way to the bike beeped their horn. The pedestrian finally looked up and stopped, saving the riffer from getting a new paintjob.

yep would've kerbed it or hit the car to avoid them (or hit them and probably hit a parked car anyway)- and I've had near misses there with pedestrians trying to cross wellesly without looking despite all the noise I'm making in first gear. funnily enough fitting angry eyebrows to my bike almost completely cured the problem!

on symonds I nearly hit a guy who walked out from behind a parked van. txting.

[Danae]

yep would've kerbed it or hit the car to avoid them (or hit them and probably hit a parked car anyway)- and I've had near misses there with pedestrians trying to cross wellesly without looking despite all the noise I'm making in first gear. funnily enough fitting angry eyebrows to my bike almost completely cured the problem!

on symonds I nearly hit a guy who walked out from behind a parked van. txting.

I clearly need more prominent angry eyebrows; the black on blue just can't be seen from a distance. ): My favourites are the ones who don't realise that bikes need to lean over to turn corners at speed, so they stand right on the curb and have to jump backwards to avoid your helmet colliding with one of their limbs.

[PirateJafa]

My favourites are the ones who don't realise that bikes need to lean over to turn corners at speed, so they stand right on the curb and have to jump backwards to avoid your helmet colliding with one of their limbs.

The heck are you doing riding so close to the footpath that you need to lean over it just to turn left?

That sounds as foolish as the people who have their heads/bodies/bikes in the oncoming lane when going around right-handers "But it's all good bro, my my tyres are still touching my own lane".

[Squiggles]

Probably those metal plates making the inside of the corner more favourable? Its more a case of peds starting to step out before you've passed...

[motorbyclist]

Its more a case of peds starting to step out before you've passed...

+1

especially when driving with a trailer - I'm always worried they didn't see it and just got pwned

[Krayy]

I stopped and asked the cop that was there a few weeks back what his interpretation of the stopping law was. He reckoned it was as long as the vehicle (car or bike) was definitively stopped. No mention of time, or if you need to put feet down (in fact he said if you can stop without putting your feet down, good on ya), but you must have actually stopped any forward travel.

The reasons for sitting there is that when coming up Wellesley St, the turning is blind due to the gates around Albert Park, and that there is a pedestrian crossing a few metres around the corner. Therefore it is a safety issue for rider and pedestrians.

[red mermaid]

Sounds reasonable and sensible, what he told you.

I dealt with a guy today who didn't stop and give way at a stop sign and Im pretty confident that by the time I was finished with him he won't be committing that offence again.

[Dare]

Sounds reasonable and sensible, what he told you.

I dealt with a guy today who didn't stop and give way at a stop sign and Im pretty confident that by the time I was finished with him he won't be committing that offence again.

Are you a cop or vigilante? Either way we need more of this, come visit beach haven you could make a day of it (: +1

(when school comes out is when ~90% of the illegal shit happens but you would think peoples indicator stalks were wired directly to the coil with the amount of indicating people do around here)

[red mermaid]

The reason it won't happen again is because the driver is dead...failing to stop at a stop sign can do that to you.

[Dare]

by the time I was finished with him he won't be committing that offence again.

The reason it won't happen again is because the driver is dead...
You may want to lay low for a while..

[red mermaid]

Nope it was the truck planted in the right side of the car that did it.

[jono035]

For the record:

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=179+Landscape+Rd,+Auckland,+1024&ll=-36.852694,174.767407&spn=0,359.990355&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=-36.85276,174.767337&panoid=VtStgDDirPXhsO3txiFn0Q&cbp=12,358.86,,0,21.22

Always stop there and put a foot down, the cops being at that intersection is a once a week thing when I arrive (8-9am).

The give way going straight through is needlessly confusing (there already is a turning bay) and dangerous (there's always broken glass on that intersection for a reason).

The stop to merge is pointless because there is only 1 place traffic can come from and even in a low car you have about 100m visibility. It's there to protect the braindead pedestrians who walk out in front of you on princes street, no other reason. The reason they walk out in front is because people stop for them. Tell me that isn't a situation heading for disaster?

Pedestrians will walk out into the road and force you to go around them, or will step out as you approach making you run swerve to a wider line around a corner, this is what results in helmet dodging.

It's been a gigantic clusterfuck for at least 8 years, they're just doing particularly well at making it worse. This is a trend that is being repeated for the entire central city.

[motorbyclist]

today, with pillion, turning right into princes st, this girl walking down the hill stopped on the traffic island and looked straight at us.

she then waited....

and finally started crossing right at that perfect moment to get fucking run down and send all three of us to the hospital.

just downright fucking stupidity is all that was. I slammed on the horn and gave a fistful of gas (noise) and she decided she'd better run. glad i didn't try the brakes.

[jono035]

Had a situation like that earlier today, too... Guy slowly walks over the symonds st crossing while the lights were green for traffic, hesitated as I was coming up the road towards him and then makes a run for it right as I get close.

Pedestrians around the uni = goddamn insane.

Was enough to finally drive me to buying one of those Stebel airhorns. (The VFR's isn't exactly earth shaking...)

[PirateJafa]

I had a Stebel once. Before some slack cunt let it get nicked.

[Slyer]

I bought a shiny $20 one from repco. I'd say its about twice as loud.

[jono035]

twice as loud as the Stebel?

[Squiggles]

I had a Stebel once. Before some slack cunt let it get nicked.

I was too slack to nick it in the first place :lol:

[kwaka_crasher]

So... I'm guessing the OP just rolled over and paid even though there's no requirement anywhere to stop for a specific period?

[Dare]

Had a situation like that earlier today, too... Guy slowly walks over the symonds st crossing while the lights were green for traffic, hesitated as I was coming up the road towards him and then makes a run for it right as I get close.

Pedestrians around the uni = goddamn insane.

Was enough to finally drive me to buying one of those Stebel airhorns. (The VFR's isn't exactly earth shaking...)

Had that happen on the Mayoral/Queen st intersection, guy walking across moving traffic, stops, stares at me, I aim behind him, he turns and walks back, I aim in-front, he changes his mind, etc.. With a closing speed of 55kmh.
In the end gassed it and took the widest line possible. Some people are just born to be road-kill.

[jono035]

Had that happen on the Mayoral/Queen st intersection, guy walking across moving traffic, stops, stares at me, I aim behind him, he turns and walks back, I aim in-front, he changes his mind, etc.. With a closing speed of 55kmh.
In the end gassed it and took the widest line possible. Some people are just born to be road-kill.

Yeah, gotta love it... The Stebel airhorn really does work wonders... I consider it a pedestrian education device...

NZ$85 shipped for whoever was asking about it (Squiggles or Magua?) from this guy: http://www.berup.com/berup%202a.html
That's for the basic one, a little bit extra for the fully black one and extra again for the chromed one... Takes 4-5 working days to arrive and comes with everything but hookup wire...