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sleemanj
7th March 2010, 18:43
Probably old news, but I noticed today that the big red shed is selling 1L bottles of Castrol 4T Motorcycle Oil.

$15 a bottle, which makes it $60 for 4L, cheaper than the bike shop.

Hadn't seen it in there before, but maybe I've just been blind.

Rockbuddy
7th March 2010, 19:08
Probably old news, but I noticed today that the big red shed is selling 1L bottles of Castrol 4T Motorcycle Oil.

$15 a bottle, which makes it $60 for 4L, cheaper than the bike shop.

Hadn't seen it in there before, but maybe I've just been blind.


not cheaper i just picked up 4l bellray semi synthetic 20/50 plus a champion oil filter for $63 from cycletreads

wickle
7th March 2010, 20:34
Probably old news, but I noticed today that the big red shed is selling 1L bottles of Castrol 4T Motorcycle Oil.

$15 a bottle, which makes it $60 for 4L, cheaper than the bike shop.

Hadn't seen it in there before, but maybe I've just been blind.

thats not cheap, just checked work and we sell same for $13-50

Mom
7th March 2010, 20:39
I would never buy oil or anything else bike related from the Warehouse. Dont care if it is cheaper. Would not be much cheaper anyway. Support your local Motorcycle outlet. Use it, or lose it!

Quasievil
7th March 2010, 20:58
I would never buy oil or anything else bike related from the Warehouse. Dont care if it is cheaper. Would not be much cheaper anyway. Support your local Motorcycle outlet. Use it, or lose it!

Fuck yeah, support the motorcycle industry people if you still want one

FJRider
7th March 2010, 21:00
I would never buy oil or anything else bike related from the Warehouse. Dont care if it is cheaper. Would not be much cheaper anyway. Support your local Motorcycle outlet. Use it, or lose it!

and if you dont ... don't moan when they're not open when you think they could/should be ...

sleemanj
8th March 2010, 14:02
How did a "I noticed you can get bike oil at the warehouse" thread turn into a "save the dying bike shops" thread.

All I knows, is the last 4L I bought cost at least $70 from the bike shop (don't remember exactly) and I had to make a special trip there to get it.

I paid nearly $150 for a paper AIR FILTER to a bike shop. I pay, what, probably close to $500 for tyres every now and then to a bike shop.

But OIL, that's pretty much a generic consumable which is quite commonly required, The Warehouse is open till 9pm here, 7 days a week, if I need some bike oil at 7pm on a Sunday (which isn't unheard of), that's pretty good to know.

Off topic: If bike shops pulled themselves into the 21st century and got themselves properly online they'd probably do a lot better, case in point: I buy my tyres from Cycletreads in Auckland, they have an online store, I can order my tyres at 3am if I want, they delivered to my door from the other end of the country for about $8, I haven't even bothered ringing around or visiting local Chch places because Cycletreads makes it easy.

slofox
8th March 2010, 15:11
Support your local Motorcycle outlet. Use it, or lose it!


Fuck yeah, support the motorcycle industry people if you still want one

Absolutely. The Warehouse has been responsible for more business closures in New Zealand than any other force. Just ask anyone who used to make clothing...Go there for your motorbike stuff and there'll be no motorbike shops left.

I NEVER buy ANYTHING from the warehouse...

p.dath
8th March 2010, 15:54
You just know they'll be selling Chinese motorcycles next ...

Mom
8th March 2010, 16:21
How did a "I noticed you can get bike oil at the warehouse" thread turn into a "save the dying bike shops" thread.

I absolutely agree with everything you said, but I stand by my assertion that I would never buy oil from the red shed. The reason for this is it is a bread and butter line for your local shop. They make bugger all margin on it and supply it as a service as much as anything else. Support your local bike shop in things like this. Yes shops need to be with it as you suggest, but they also need to be supported.

avgas
8th March 2010, 16:45
Looks like you guys need a decent axe to chop this tall poppy.
Kiwi at its best.

blackdog
8th March 2010, 16:47
You just know they'll be selling Chinese motorcycles next ...

mitre 10 mega already selling the scoots

Owl
8th March 2010, 17:22
Stuff the red shed. The last two visits there, they attempted to rip me off, charging more than the listed price. I wonder how many people they tuck with that scam each day?:angry:

Robert Taylor
8th March 2010, 20:44
Stuff the red shed. The last two visits there, they attempted to rip me off, charging more than the listed price. I wonder how many people they tuck with that scam each day?:angry:

Also Castrol have never been loyal to motorcycle shops over the last 15 years or so, exactly the reason most motorcycle shops have ditched the product. Its a great product but I refuse to buy it as they are a company of whores.
Buying off companies that have staff who have no specialised product may be the modern way, but certainly its not a good way.
Stephen Tindall and his red eyesores have in no small part also lowered the living standards of employees in this country.

crazyhorse
8th March 2010, 20:55
I absolutely agree with everything you said, but I stand by my assertion that I would never buy oil from the red shed. The reason for this is it is a bread and butter line for your local shop. They make bugger all margin on it and supply it as a service as much as anything else. Support your local bike shop in things like this. Yes shops need to be with it as you suggest, but they also need to be supported.

What Mom said :done:

Remember the little guys...... or soon they'll be selling tyres etc too

98tls
8th March 2010, 21:03
Here we go again eh,not a great fan of the Warehouse myself for reasons RT and someone else mentioned but i doubt it will be the end of motorcycle shops in NZ,as a long time buyer of motorcycle bits from overseas but also if possible a staunch supporter of my local Suzuki shop its rock and hard place stuff really.Thing that really fu$ks me off is as recently being given a price for a set of aftermarket rims from a Kiwi dealer a $1000 more than i got a set +chain +Supersprox sprocket+post +GST for from the states.Annoying.

RDjase
8th March 2010, 22:26
You just know they'll be selling Chinese motorcycles next ...

They did about 5 years ago and all the fuel tanks leaked (if they kept running more than a weekend) and a big recall happened

I was trying to sell my sons JR50 at the time and every drop kick fuckwit was offering my $150 for it " Because you can get a BRAND NEW bike for $300 at the warehouse"

I used to get CDs from the Sounds the CD shop in Hastings but there gone now, Get the odd CD from there (as there isnt a decent CD shop now) but mainly off Amazon UK

Still spend at Barrys Motorcycles as I have for 20+ years

wilber
8th March 2010, 22:32
Repco and Supercheap both have castrol 4t for around $38 for 4L's here in wellington

dipshit
9th March 2010, 08:04
Supercheap (in Dunedin at least) seems to be carrying more and more bike stuff lately. Fuchs-Silkolene and Castrol bike oils. Brake pads and oill filters. Bike covers and waterproof over suits. Even mini LED indicator kits and so on.

At least if you rock into town any time on the weekends you know they will be open.

duckonin
9th March 2010, 08:10
Absolutely. The Warehouse has been responsible for more business closures in New Zealand than any other force. Just ask anyone who used to make clothing...Go there for your motorbike stuff and there'll be no motorbike shops left.

I NEVER buy ANYTHING from the warehouse...
Bunnings also !!! but without the clothes....Oh and Mitre ten, any large mega store will closed down smaller ones...

avgas
9th March 2010, 08:20
I only buy limited edition Bimota's, drink wine from the best wineyards and I grind my own coffee purchased from the local mansion.
Robert Taylor does my suspension, Yoshimura does my cams and I personally fly my bike over to Moriwaki to get it inspected.

Seriously guys - are you going to slag off every big brand name in NZ, just to try and boost the underdog.
I imagine very few of you act on the principals you claim.
I suppose you only eat organic as well - and never go to those horrible progressive supermarkets............

dipshit
9th March 2010, 08:20
Bunnings also !!! but without the clothes....Oh and Mitre ten, any large mega store will closed down smaller ones...

I often think it would be cool to have one big bike shop in a town with a big range and selection and open more hours rather than half a dozen small pokey ones.

avgas
9th March 2010, 08:24
Bunnings also !!! but without the clothes....Oh and Mitre ten, any large mega store will closed down smaller ones...
Errr I used to work at said small M10........and I can tell you why they closed it down. People would go out of there way to go to the mega stores.
Case and point.
We couldn't keep up - I moved on. There is a niche' market for small stores - when you understand the marketing behind it, you realise the mega stores did not have to compete with the small stores. The small stores simply needed to change their approach to survive.
Due to poor management on the small stores part - they didn't. So therefore they failed.
I imagine that Ducati sell less bikes than Suzuki........but this doesn't mean that both don't do very well for themselves. They are competing on different levels.

dipshit
9th March 2010, 08:26
I imagine very few of you act on the principals you claim..


Yes, how many people here have brought their wine or beer from a supermarket and put old slofox here out of business? (him being a bottle store owner, I believe)

Oh what's that..?? People don't actually care to that extent...???

dipshit
9th March 2010, 08:32
The small stores simply needed to change their approach to survive.


True. I think any business that pleads for support is totally missing the point and is eventually going to fail. You need to give the market a reason to shop with you.

Appealing for customer loyalty but doing the same old tired shit decade after decade is living in a fantasy land.

dipshit
9th March 2010, 08:45
Due to poor management on the small stores part - they didn't. So therefore they failed.

They probably thought they could rely on the loyal support of the locals and did nothing else. Dumd arses.

jonbuoy
9th March 2010, 09:01
I absolutely agree with everything you said, but I stand by my assertion that I would never buy oil from the red shed. The reason for this is it is a bread and butter line for your local shop. They make bugger all margin on it and supply it as a service as much as anything else. Support your local bike shop in things like this. Yes shops need to be with it as you suggest, but they also need to be supported.

If they make bugger all on it and supply it as a service why would they miss it? :blink:

Quasievil
9th March 2010, 10:19
Yes, how many people here have brought their wine or beer from a supermarket and put old slofox here out of business? (him being a bottle store owner, I believe)

Oh what's that..?? People don't actually care to that extent...???

he is till in Business mate, I brought a bottle of wine there Sunday night

Rockbuddy
9th March 2010, 10:34
You just know they'll be selling Chinese motorcycles next ...

if the wharehouse started selling motorbikes they sell spuzuki boulevards LOL

HenryDorsetCase
9th March 2010, 10:44
How did a "I noticed you can get bike oil at the warehouse" thread turn into a "save the dying bike shops" thread.

All I knows, is the last 4L I bought cost at least $70 from the bike shop (don't remember exactly) and I had to make a special trip there to get it.

I paid nearly $150 for a paper AIR FILTER to a bike shop. I pay, what, probably close to $500 for tyres every now and then to a bike shop.

But OIL, that's pretty much a generic consumable which is quite commonly required, The Warehouse is open till 9pm here, 7 days a week, if I need some bike oil at 7pm on a Sunday (which isn't unheard of), that's pretty good to know.

Off topic: If bike shops pulled themselves into the 21st century and got themselves properly online they'd probably do a lot better, case in point: I buy my tyres from Cycletreads in Auckland, they have an online store, I can order my tyres at 3am if I want, they delivered to my door from the other end of the country for about $8, I haven't even bothered ringing around or visiting local Chch places because Cycletreads makes it easy.


What the hell's "easy" about changing your own tyres?

HenryDorsetCase
9th March 2010, 10:47
I only buy limited edition Bimota's, drink wine from the best wineyards and I grind my own coffee purchased from the local mansion.
Robert Taylor does my suspension, Yoshimura does my cams and I personally fly my bike over to Moriwaki to get it inspected.

Seriously guys - are you going to slag off every big brand name in NZ, just to try and boost the underdog.
I imagine very few of you act on the principals you claim.
I suppose you only eat organic as well - and never go to those horrible progressive supermarkets............

+1 for sarcasm
-1 for the oxymoron of "limited edition Bimota"

avgas
9th March 2010, 11:00
+1 for sarcasm
-1 for the oxymoron of "limited edition Bimota"
I dunno, running, mint condition VDUE owners association would argue.......

SS90
9th March 2010, 11:54
Off topic: If bike shops pulled themselves into the 21st century and got themselves properly online they'd probably do a lot better, case in point: I buy my tyres from Cycletreads in Auckland, they have an online store, I can order my tyres at 3am if I want, they delivered to my door from the other end of the country for about $8, I haven't even bothered ringing around or visiting local Chch places because Cycletreads makes it easy.

I was wondering why you don't get your tyres from Cycletreads in Christchurch, do you change your tyres yourself?

Sweet FA people can actually do it themselves, and even less do it correctly.

Shit, if people resort to getting tyres in Christchurch form Auckland, the industry is rooted.

Quasievil
9th March 2010, 12:28
the industry is rooted.

Thats very accurate!!

HenryDorsetCase
9th March 2010, 12:43
I was wondering why you don't get your tyres from Cycletreads in Christchurch, do you change your tyres yourself?

Sweet FA people can actually do it themselves, and even less do it correctly.

Shit, if people resort to getting tyres in Christchurch form Auckland, the industry is rooted.

like the idiot that has changed the tyre on my NC35 rear rim: nice chunk out of it. I will get it repaired one day. when its a "classic" and people are paying Vincent money for them. That'll be soon, right?

dipshit
9th March 2010, 12:55
Sweet FA people can actually do it themselves, and even less do it correctly.

haha! I live 60 km from a bike shop so I just take my whole bike in for new tyres.

Setting the axle nuts to specified torque and checking for correct rotation direction (had one just last year that was put on the wrong way) when getting back home is mandatory! You must be dreaming if you think everything will come out of a bike shop having been done correctly!

avgas
9th March 2010, 13:25
the industry is rooted.
No. The complacent ways of the industry are.
The motorbike industry has had it pretty easy of late, as have workshops, computer stores......you name it. However the whole paradigm has shifted. NZ is now 21 century thanks to the like of trademe. Bike stores are not only competing against each other, but Jo-blo who operates out of their own garage.
As far as I am concerned - if a business (regardless of size) doesn't not identify the challenges of operating in NZ during the current climate. They deserve to close.
Why should we fork out more money to keep the local going? They have to up their game and keep giving us reasons to come back.
Sales 101 really. The only difference is NZ didn't have it much in the past. We didn't have the selection of choice others had.

Quasievil
9th March 2010, 21:29
No. The complacent ways of the industry are.
The motorbike industry has had it pretty easy of late, as have workshops, computer stores......you name it. However the whole paradigm has shifted. NZ is now 21 century thanks to the like of trademe. Bike stores are not only competing against each other, but Jo-blo who operates out of their own garage.
As far as I am concerned - if a business (regardless of size) doesn't not identify the challenges of operating in NZ during the current climate. They deserve to close.
Why should we fork out more money to keep the local going? They have to up their game and keep giving us reasons to come back.
Sales 101 really. The only difference is NZ didn't have it much in the past. We didn't have the selection of choice others had.

Ok, the motorcycle industry is booming and they are all lazy complacent and deserve to go out of business.

Happy now ?

Squiggles
9th March 2010, 21:50
You just know they'll be selling Chinese motorcycles next ...

They did sell pocketbikes, lasted until they saw the queue for returns :lol:

carver
10th March 2010, 05:43
the warehouse is great.
low prices, a one stop shop, and good employment for students....

go the red shed

roll with the times

Quasievil
10th March 2010, 07:31
and good employment for students....



Well Employment yes, good employment, thats debatable.

ckai
10th March 2010, 14:39
True. I think any business that pleads for support is totally missing the point and is eventually going to fail. You need to give the market a reason to shop with you.

Appealing for customer loyalty but doing the same old tired shit decade after decade is living in a fantasy land.

Spot on! There have been plenty of small shops that have actually thrived on the Warehouse foot traffic. All because they found a niche for themselves and didn't compete with the crap. The crap has a market (I'll buy certain things there) but if I want something swoosh and snazy or someone that will serve faster than a turtle, I'll go somewhere else.

I actually managed to buy something local (NZ) for my bike the other day at an AWESOME price. Great service and everything. But that's off topic :)

Back on topic, we have to buy our dog food from the warehouse because it is the only place that stocks it. So there you go, if it wasn't for the red shed we'd have to feed our mongrels that common food from the supermarket.

Everything has it's place. Unless you can't be bothered finding your place.

carver
10th March 2010, 16:54
better than working as a pit bitch!

Quasievil
10th March 2010, 16:57
better than working as a pit bitch!

Yeah but only cause you get paid, pit bitching pays errrr nought

Robert Taylor
10th March 2010, 18:39
No. The complacent ways of the industry are.
The motorbike industry has had it pretty easy of late, as have workshops, computer stores......you name it. However the whole paradigm has shifted. NZ is now 21 century thanks to the like of trademe. Bike stores are not only competing against each other, but Jo-blo who operates out of their own garage.
As far as I am concerned - if a business (regardless of size) doesn't not identify the challenges of operating in NZ during the current climate. They deserve to close.
Why should we fork out more money to keep the local going? They have to up their game and keep giving us reasons to come back.
Sales 101 really. The only difference is NZ didn't have it much in the past. We didn't have the selection of choice others had.

Dont complain then if one day in the future you lose your job and after some time can only find a low paying job in the Warehouse, all because of 21st century market forces and dutch auction mentality

Quasievil
10th March 2010, 18:58
Dont complain then if one day in the future you lose your job and after some time can only find a low paying job in the Warehouse, all because of 21st century market forces and dutch auction mentality

I just figured he didnt have a clue, so humor was best.

98tls
10th March 2010, 19:18
Dont complain then if one day in the future you lose your job and after some time can only find a low paying job in the Warehouse, all because of 21st century market forces and dutch auction mentality
Possibly the guy i had to deal with in a Honda shop recently should be working in one,wanted a throttle cable for granted a bitsa race bike made up of an NSR250 frame and XR600 motor,after he fucked me about with "i cant read the numbers on the cable" for what seemed an enternity i said "theres a better than fair chance all things considered (told him about what bike the broken one was off) that it was either an NSR or an XR,more head scratching and shoulder shrugging later i gave up called into a differently branded dealership and picked up an XR one they had lying about with a simple "try this Mike if its no good bring it back and we will go from there".Service eh,wonderful.

carver
10th March 2010, 19:30
Dont complain then if one day in the future you lose your job and after some time can only find a low paying job in the Warehouse, all because of 21st century market forces and dutch auction mentality

the most efficent and most productive win.......

most bins wins too

Slicksta
10th March 2010, 20:16
Bunnings also !!! but without the clothes....Oh and Mitre ten, any large mega store will closed down smaller ones...

Bulk merchandising gives more of a value feel to a customer sometimes its not cheaper at all. Big box retail has become the norm in mitre 10s case it was to compete with the likes of bunnings ect. I would agree its sad smaller stores are closing down but there is not much you can do.
Besides everything is made in china these days its sad we all contribute to modarn day slavery where kids are payed just enough to live on working long hours in shit conditions you as a consumer support this.
When I shop in big box retailers I want to know where the money goes I would rather spend the extra $1 and have the money stay in NZ than spend with a company that doesn't give a shit about its employees and all the profits go overseas.

pritch
11th March 2010, 09:22
low prices, a one stop shop, and good employment for students....

go the red shed


I have seen some very impressive kids working part time at the local Wherowhare while studying. Experience there can even benefit the full-time kids.

Many jobs for young people are advertised as "experience required" and the redshed is one of the places this elusive attribute can be acquired.
Kids who keep their eyes and ears open can learn quite a lot about the retail industry while learning basic work habits. The latter being by no means a given with the yoof of today.

Robert Taylor
11th March 2010, 19:47
Bulk merchandising gives more of a value feel to a customer sometimes its not cheaper at all. Big box retail has become the norm in mitre 10s case it was to compete with the likes of bunnings ect. I would agree its sad smaller stores are closing down but there is not much you can do.
Besides everything is made in china these days its sad we all contribute to modarn day slavery where kids are payed just enough to live on working long hours in shit conditions you as a consumer support this.
When I shop in big box retailers I want to know where the money goes I would rather spend the extra $1 and have the money stay in NZ than spend with a company that doesn't give a shit about its employees and all the profits go overseas.


Have yourself a well earned beer, you can see past the impact on your own pocket.

diggyduo
11th March 2010, 20:27
This is quite an interesting discussion really - right down to the grass routes of NZ mentality. Classic big vs small guy battle. Where does the under dog theme stop?
Do you buy your meat from the butchers? They offer the best quality service and best cuts after all, but have restricted opening hours and you pay a premium per kg.

There will absolutely always have to be a place for bike shops, but, if not already, their focus might need to shift from cheap (warehouse) accessories to fixing/tuning, and more sales of specialised equipment (a*, shoei, fox...). Perhaps they can incorporate a coffee shop/cafe. I reckon 'treads should do this - a place available to spin yarns while the new rubber is getting fitted. Most bikers will go to bike shops, even if the prices are (slightly) more expensive, I think most people understand the deal.

avgas
12th March 2010, 08:28
Dont complain then if one day in the future you lose your job and after some time can only find a low paying job in the Warehouse, all because of 21st century market forces and dutch auction mentality
Truth be told - I don't think my skill set will ever go down the gurgler. However I do not rest on bludging a my customer base. Instead I increase my skill set every year just in case.
I imagine you do the same. Likewise I imagine you provide a service suitable for most, at a high quality rate - that means customers come back to you.
It is a value adding exercise. You add value to a product, so that customers come back.
So I do not know what your crying about - like I said, if you feel your losing business, lift your game.....I do.

avgas
12th March 2010, 08:34
Well Employment yes, good employment, thats debatable.
Are you offering better?
No.
Opinions are great aren't they. No matter how many you have - they never form currency.

Quasievil
12th March 2010, 09:22
Are you offering better?
No.
Opinions are great aren't they. No matter how many you have - they never form currency.

Do you read or you just eager to blow shit out your internet connection??

I said "good employment, thats debatable" and it is as the staff recently went out on strike over working conditions

Sheeesh

avgas
12th March 2010, 09:47
Do you read or you just eager to blow shit out your internet connection??

I said "good employment, thats debatable" and it is as the staff recently went out on strike over working conditions

Sheeesh
So ARE YOU offering better?
or are you debating on mass
One thing you may not realize is that student employment is a bit rare these days - unless your going to offer a better solution, all your talk is worth nothing.
Where as the wharehouse offer actual jobs.
Good employment is any employment when your a student. Its not a career choice.

Quasievil
12th March 2010, 10:38
all your talk is worth nothing.


okie dokey ..........passionate wee thing aint ya

Robert Taylor
12th March 2010, 17:24
Truth be told - I don't think my skill set will ever go down the gurgler. However I do not rest on bludging a my customer base. Instead I increase my skill set every year just in case.
I imagine you do the same. Likewise I imagine you provide a service suitable for most, at a high quality rate - that means customers come back to you.
It is a value adding exercise. You add value to a product, so that customers come back.
So I do not know what your crying about - like I said, if you feel your losing business, lift your game.....I do.

I certainly have to work at it and that I dont complain about. But I also have no hesitation in entering into such discussions as this because it seems a lot of people cannot see the big picture other than how their pockets are affected. That I know is a reality of our low wage economy, but what has driven our earning power down, in real terms????

ynot slow
12th March 2010, 21:45
Many a local firm started out as a niche market,i.e selling high end product tv,furniture etc,then realised the market isn't as large as first imagined,so they try to sell mid and upper range,then realise they'll try to cover all bases with product,and maybe find they're competing with Wharehouse,etc on price.But usually if selling on price they may have staff with product knowledge,something red shed and others haven't got,all they (red sheds)have is counter jockeys.

I can count on my hand the number of furniture manufacturers who have folded over the last 10 yrs,or getting into importing goods,Morgan Furniture are one such firm,they used to make lazy boy chairs,now most are imported,and same with their lounge suites,used to be 3 weeks to make in custom cover if customer wanted,now they sell leather and at same price as fabric.And from employing say 100 staff then to maybe 30 now as example.

Tony.OK
13th March 2010, 08:40
So going by this thread...............I shouldn't shop at the Warehouse, nor the Supermarket, Harvey Normans in Aus owned, Mitre 10 Mega is out as well, my local bottle shop is owned by Indians, as is the Dairy next door.........................I'm not supposed to order off the internet either.................crickey.

Doe's that mean McDonalds is a no go too?............

FJRider
13th March 2010, 08:44
So going by this thread...............I shouldn't shop at the Warehouse, nor the Supermarket, Harvey Normans in Aus owned, Mitre 10 Mega is out as well, my local bottle shop is owned by Indians, as is the Dairy next door.........................I'm not supposed to order off the internet either.................crickey.

Doe's that mean McDonalds is a no go too?............

Buy New Zealand ... if you can find anyone making anything IN New Zealand ... anymore ...

Pixie
13th March 2010, 10:15
Possibly the guy i had to deal with in a Honda shop recently should be working in one,wanted a throttle cable for granted a bitsa race bike made up of an NSR250 frame and XR600 motor,after he fucked me about with "i cant read the numbers on the cable" for what seemed an enternity i said "theres a better than fair chance all things considered (told him about what bike the broken one was off) that it was either an NSR or an XR,more head scratching and shoulder shrugging later i gave up called into a differently branded dealership and picked up an XR one they had lying about with a simple "try this Mike if its no good bring it back and we will go from there".Service eh,wonderful.

As long as they employ morons and slobs,I will do all my servicing myself.Too many fucked up service jobs over the years to do otherwise.
My current bike was only serviced once by a "qualfied XXX brand technician",at it's first service,and he managed to strip 2 cam cover screws.

Robert Taylor
13th March 2010, 10:36
So going by this thread...............I shouldn't shop at the Warehouse, nor the Supermarket, Harvey Normans in Aus owned, Mitre 10 Mega is out as well, my local bottle shop is owned by Indians, as is the Dairy next door.........................I'm not supposed to order off the internet either.................crickey.

Doe's that mean McDonalds is a no go too?............

McDonalds must be a Scottish restaurant?

Tony.OK
13th March 2010, 11:06
McDonalds must be a Scottish restaurant?

Haha.............they pay too well to be Scottish, sounds like they may have "whale fillet burgers" on the menu soon, your mate "Key" seems to support whaling all of a sudden, wonder if that'll be available at the Red Shed's too.

Whats funny though is the Warehouse is gonna be even more popular soon once GST goes up, the only people able to afford to shop elsewhere will be those on a benefit cause they're gonna get a payrise soon.:bleh:

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 12:05
Well a thread like this really ticks me off. Why the hell should we support any business local or overseas when they would charge us 30-40% more for something that you could otherwise buy off ebay + shipping + taxes cheaper?? Why on earth should I spend my hard earned money putting bread on someone else s table? Is this a charity or have not enough of us New Zealanders understood the laws of supply and demand? Business are "in business" to make money, then why should we as the consumer not want the best price? Bloody ticks me off, I will keep buying from ebay until things get real in NZ. Just purchased me a pair of A stars GP pro gloves for 45% less than what bike shops here offered it to me for (inc shipping) be here in a week. Rant over.

Quasievil
13th March 2010, 12:09
A stars GP pro gloves for 45% less than what bike shops here offered it to me for (inc shipping) be here in a week. Rant over.

Im very disappointed in you, I could have sold you better gloves for a discount.
I think now I will close my business as what's the point

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 12:12
Im very disappointed in you, I could have sold you better gloves for a discount.
I think now I will close my business as what's the point

haha I'm just making a point. Your business is one other NZ business should look upto. In such a short time you have built up so much goodwill with your kind gestures that I would fucking pay full price and leave a 10% tip just because I know things....

Virago
13th March 2010, 12:27
...Why on earth should I spend my hard earned money putting bread on someone else s table?...

Because that's what we do in a co-operative society. What puts bread on your table?

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 12:31
Because that's what we do in a co-operative society. What puts bread on your table?

bwaaahahaha really? what society do you live in. I work for my money (when I wasn't a returning student) I get paid the average wage a worker in the finance industry with 4 yrs experiece and a degree to boot would get - nothing more nothing less. I didn't demand to be paid 10k a year more than my collegue doing the same job with the same efficiency even though I could be replaced for cheaper. Why don't you read the post in its entirety instead of isolating a small piece of a sentence to make it sound like a paradox?

Robert Taylor
13th March 2010, 13:08
Because that's what we do in a co-operative society. What puts bread on your table?

Thats clear enough to me, whether we are in denial about it or not we all to a large degree depend on one another. im happier that Im supporting a small NZ business down the road and helping to put food in the mouths of their employees and dependents. As opposed to supporting some faceless Yanks or Asians.

Virago
13th March 2010, 13:19
Those small-minded individuals who compare overseas internet pricing with NZ retail pricing, and declare the NZ bike shops to be rip-off merchants, are incapable of seeing the whole picture.

The costs of running a bike shop are quite substantial. When all these costs are added into mix, and 12.5% GST is slapped on top, the bike shops are lucky if they can make enough to put bread on the table.

Internet sales are the final nail in the coffin. As the shop sales dwindle, the running costs rise.

Those who spend their money overseas, but expect that the shops will be there for them if needed, are sadly delusional.

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 13:28
I am only making educated argument here and anyone who wishes to engage me might. So from the last few posts I infer that consumers must continue to support "bike shops" that charge 30-40% more than overseas simply to keep these businesses a-float. That inference is starting to sound like those businesses are not businesses and are in fact charities, and the consumer is in fact underrtaking charity work by purchasing those items.

Of cause I see the big picture - it is quite clear. However, most views here are biased from business owners themselves. Views in the end are just that - views, they do not sway or influence decision. Facts on the other hand give a very lucid explanation as to the course the future will take. It is not really my concern what the mark ups or gst a shop has to pay, as I don't benefit from it. Nothing personal - it's just business. After all is that not what you (bike shops etc) are in? When taxes or gst or the exchange rate drops - pass those costs on to the consumer - easy. Well the educated amongst us find that hard to digest.

I expect fair equitable prices, for I am a consumer and without me you will fail. Fact.
I will shop around for the best deal. Fact.
I understand the laws of demand and supply. Fact.
It's nothing personal. Fact.


Perhaps the younger generations are the ones who actually see the Big Picture and see past the horizons of New Zealand.

Engage me logically if you will. don't just take a dig.

Tony.OK
13th March 2010, 14:21
Thats clear enough to me, whether we are in denial about it or not we all to a large degree depend on one another. im happier that Im supporting a small NZ business down the road and helping to put food in the mouths of their employees and dependents. As opposed to supporting some faceless Yanks or Asians.

Trouble is Robert that the small bizzo down the road for so many is quite frankly just shit when it comes to customer service. I believe things are slowly starting to turn around, in a good way, but there's just something about NZ that is happy to accept crap service. How many posts have been on KB about bad service etc?

Now "you" for one have changed my perception of an NZ bizzo and what it should be, even though I "imported" my shock you were happy to help me out and in doing so gained me as a loyal customer for my other purchases/service needs. You answer your emails/ph calls promptly and go that extra mile..........................you obviously see that service = income.

Now if you could get all shops (for anything) to realise this I think many of these posts would cease to exist.

Fair enough NZ is a small market and shops have to cover their costs...............but until they start to realise that if they piss customers off with bad service, there are other alternatives available nowadays. Don't cry when your bussiness suffers.

Sorry to rant a bit, just had a shit dealing with a large dealership about the wife's broken down car.................they've just been added to my "get fucked, I wont be back" list.

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 14:27
.....
Now "you" for one have changed my perception of an NZ bizzo and what it should be, even though I "imported" my shock you were happy to help me out and in doing so gained me as a loyal customer for my other purchases/service needs. You answer your emails/ph calls promptly and go that extra mile..........................you obviously see that service = income.
......

I'll have to agree with Tony here, don't even know if you remember Robert but you looked at my shock mid last year, answered my questions and made suggestions, also provided me with a booklet on the ohlins and also courriered it back up to me in Auckland - prompt and efficient. Did I buy if off you? No. Have we met? No. So guess what? Next time I'm buying something I could get cheaper elsewhere I'll still come to you with a smile. People have to make you want to do it. That's the only way a stubborn young pratt like me is ever going to learn.

Quasievil
13th March 2010, 14:37
haha I'm just making a point. Your business is one other NZ business should look upto. In such a short time you have built up so much goodwill with your kind gestures that I would fucking pay full price and leave a 10% tip just because I know things.... You know I love ya............just thinking I wrote that a bit wrong, it was a friendly gest bro lol

Ixion
13th March 2010, 15:07
Well a thread like this really ticks me off. Why the hell should we support any business local or overseas when they would charge us 30-40% more for something that you could otherwise buy off ebay + shipping + taxes cheaper?? Why on earth should I spend my hard earned money putting bread on someone else s table? Is this a charity or have not enough of us New Zealanders understood the laws of supply and demand? Business are "in business" to make money, then why should we as the consumer not want the best price? Bloody ticks me off, I will keep buying from ebay until things get real in NZ. Just purchased me a pair of A stars GP pro gloves for 45% less than what bike shops here offered it to me for (inc shipping) be here in a week. Rant over.

Well, firstly the apparent savings are often less than first appears, by the time freight, taxes, credit card charges, forex charges, insurance etc be added. Secondly there are intangible advantages to buying locally . Goods do sometimes fail to arrive , even though paid for, for a variety of reasons. Sorting that out from the other side of the world is a major hassle. It only takes one bad deal to negate the savings on many deals. Buying locally you see exactly what you are getting . Goods bought over the net may be misdescribed, intentionally or otherwise. Or they may send the wrong item by mistake . Or be out of stock and send a substitute. Again, a nightmare to sort out.

Or, they may not fit. Or the colour may not look as it did in the photos. Or the goods may arrive damaged.

All of these are problems that are costly and time consuming to resolve. None of th occur when buying locally over the counter . My time is valuable to me I don't want to spend it arguing with an eBay seller if I can avoid it. When I buy locaaly the shopkeeper gets stuck with all those problems not me. I think that, worth a premium.

Buying anything isn't just about price it's about value. And the value context includes the personal cost in time and hassle of making the transaction. Make it easy for me and the value goes up.

I,m happy to buy locally even at a premium if only the shops would let me in the doors to do the buying.

davereid
13th March 2010, 16:25
I expect fair equitable prices, for I am a consumer and without me you will fail. Fact.
I will shop around for the best deal. Fact.
I understand the laws of demand and supply. Fact.
It's nothing personal. Fact.
Perhaps the younger generations are the ones who actually see the Big Picture and see past the horizons of New Zealand.


Of course, when you buy from overseas, you will often save money.

Remember, that in our modern world, we can move products across borders at will.

The only thing that we cant easily move is people.

So when you buy overseas, if you have a financial advantage from doing so, the reason is that you are actually buying the labour content of the product.

When you buy from asia, its actually their cheap labour you are importing.

Or it may be that you are taking advantage of the economies of scale, and higher productivity, such as when you buy from the USA. And of course your US based supplier does not have a minimum wage to pay, does not have ACC, and does not pay tax to provide universal health care, pensions or unemployment insurance.

But one thing is sure.

If you keep importing cheap labour from asia, then you will eventually face earning less. Thats supply and demand law you are so familiar with.

If you keep importing from the US, eventually there will be no free ride on the health care, pension, or unemployment fronts.

You may remain a consumer, but unless you are very skilled, and very productive you will have no income with which to consume.

For if you import everything from overseas, you will import their incomes. And unless you are evry skilled thats not going to be a nice place.

Woodman
13th March 2010, 16:43
ya gotta wonder why the red shed or similar haven't started up big box motorcycle shops yet.

would it work? They could put one or more in every significant town/suburb. They would have a larger buying power than the individual shops and could import direct bypassing the distributors. They would benefit from national advertising campaigns. Maybe even sell bikes.
It could slow down the internet sales, but a lot of the profit will still go to China and overseas shareholders etc.

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 18:25
......But one thing is sure.

If you keep importing cheap labour from asia, then you will eventually face earning less. Thats supply and demand law you are so familiar with.

If you keep importing from the US, eventually there will be no free ride on the health care, pension, or unemployment fronts.

You may remain a consumer, but unless you are very skilled, and very productive you will have no income with which to consume.

For if you import everything from overseas, you will import their incomes. And unless you are every skilled that's not going to be a nice place.

If I keep importing from overseas I don't see how I will start earning less. I will be saving money. I do not work in the bike industry so if all the bike shops here shut down I will not be loosing a job (as harsh as that might sound). If anything, importing from abroad will help bring prices of goods here in NZ down to normative/competitive levels. As when demand decreases supply increases all else being equal, when that happens prices decrease or hoarding begins (hoarding will not work here because bike gear are not your typicsl FMG's).

The problem to all of this lies a lot deeper - The whole roots of this economy are flawed. Why does a road worker get paid so much or why should an unqualified plumber get paid upwards of 60k when he has really no formal qualification aside from maybe a short course that is mandatory and a few years experience? Why do bike mechanics charge $90 an hour when the same or better job can be done by an Asian? (rhetorical question). In rich economies of scale, a qualified professional who has done his 12 years at school and 4 years a University is adequately rewarded for his dedication. Here whether you have a qualification or not does not matter, you still start at the bottom and work your way up - it's just not equitable. I have a Pilot mate who gets paid 45k if he fucked off to the USA he would be on a min of 200 k. Only thing holding him back are his commitments a house and a wife who also works here. NZ is not helping him - or should I say the economy isisn't.

Sure your argument is valid that if the bike industry in NZ fails altogether it will affect of meager GDP and our currency in normative terms, but there will be a bigger better system that comes about to take it's place. Its how the world has always worked, the weak give way to the strong and so on and so forth.

Health care, Pension etc have little to do with this. They are funded primarily through the tax we pay as citizens of this great country. Also please be aware that just as out borders are open to goods they are also open to people. If the economy continues to crumble what is left of Aoeteroa's skilled labor will take the 2 hour flight across the ditch. A young professional cannot limit himself to an economy that he has to keep afloat by paying a premium on everything that he buys. I'd like to think we'd like to make a positive change to an economy that provides us with the challenges and rewards us for the work and sweat we put in.

davereid
13th March 2010, 18:54
If anything, importing from abroad will help bring prices of goods here in NZ down to normative/competitive levels. As when demand decreases supply increases all else being equal, when that happens prices decrease...The whole roots of this economy are flawed. Why does a road worker get paid so much or why should an unqualified plumber get paid upwards of 60k when he has really no formal qualification

Actually, you have nailed it.

The laws of supply and demand, absolutely do apply, and there is no reason at all why the road worker or plumber should be paid so much, except that we use laws to keep it that way.

Unskilled labour is in great supply, your road worker for example, but there is very little demand for it.

We keep that supply in check, by legislating a minimum wage, and providing welfare to those who cant get a job, at legislated minimum wage rates.

Lets imagine, that we instantly removed the minimum adult wage. And we reduced taxes by removing allowance for superannuation, health care, welfare and free education.

Then, you could buy products and services from NZ suppliers at rates that were extremely competitive with asian suppliers.

Unemployment would simply not exist, as if the widget you were making required a labour input of $2 an hour, thats what you would offer. And in the absense of an alternative, supply and demand would find you a worker.

The point is simple. As our expectations of what we will pay for services reach your "normative/competitive levels" you can be assured so will your wages.

The question is, is that really what we want ?

scracha
13th March 2010, 21:29
$15 a bottle, which makes it $60 for 4L, cheaper than the bike shop.

uMM...like many other things, the Warehouse is not actually the cheapest.

Cr1MiNaL
13th March 2010, 23:51
Actually, you have nailed it.
........
The point is simple. As our expectations of what we will pay for services reach your "normative/competitive levels" you can be assured so will your wages.

The question is, is that really what we want ?

Yes I agree. So the question begs then who exactly can really afoard to pay this premium? Common joe blogs earning a 50k salary and a mortgage? I think not. You will find most people agreeing to pay the surplus over foreign suppliers to support local business will be the 'older' generation - by that I mean people 55 years + who are on descent money too say 100 k + with a couple of rental properties and a near freehold mortgage to rely on for financial stability. It is then not fair or equitable to expect the common biker on median wage to be able to pay the same prices as the latter. Again , its so fundamentally flawed the more I think about it the angrier I get.

Pixie
14th March 2010, 07:03
ya gotta wonder why the red shed or similar haven't started up big box motorcycle shops yet.

would it work? They could put one or more in every significant town/suburb. They would have a larger buying power than the individual shops and could import direct bypassing the distributors. They would benefit from national advertising campaigns. Maybe even sell bikes.
It could slow down the internet sales, but a lot of the profit will still go to China and overseas shareholders etc.
Because the NZ motorcycle market is insignificant and is in the process of being eliminated by governments of any flavour.

carver
14th March 2010, 08:53
Im very disappointed in you, I could have sold you better gloves for a discount.
I think now I will close my business as what's the point

define better

Quasievil
14th March 2010, 08:55
define better

Qmoto with Knox SPS protection........nough said

carver
14th March 2010, 08:59
Qmoto with Knox SPS protection........nough said

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Quasievil
14th March 2010, 09:09
Would you like to share the price with everyone?

QMOTO CORSA SPS KNOX GLOVE $185.00 like I said better.............next

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carver
14th March 2010, 09:17
Would you like to share the price with everyone?

QMOTO CORSA SPS KNOX GLOVE $185.00



get what ya pay for eh buddy!
raj can get em cheap for me!

can ya grip the bars ok with them, i had a friend tell me they offer very little feel

is this yours too?

http://www.mltd.com/quasimoto-madlib-m-17.html

Owl
14th March 2010, 09:17
QMOTO CORSA SPS KNOX GLOVE $185.00

They look spiffing!:D

Quasievil
14th March 2010, 09:42
get what ya pay for eh buddy!
raj can get em cheap for me!

can ya grip the bars ok with them, i had a friend tell me they offer very little feel

is this yours too?

http://www.mltd.com/quasimoto-madlib-m-17.html

They offer Excellent feel and are very comfortable, I only spent a year developing them.

BikerDazz
14th March 2010, 16:18
Possibly the guy i had to deal with in a Honda shop recently should be working in one,wanted a throttle cable for granted a bitsa race bike made up of an NSR250 frame and XR600 motor,after he fucked me about with "i cant read the numbers on the cable" for what seemed an enternity i said "theres a better than fair chance all things considered (told him about what bike the broken one was off) that it was either an NSR or an XR,more head scratching and shoulder shrugging later i gave up called into a differently branded dealership and picked up an XR one they had lying about with a simple "try this Mike if its no good bring it back and we will go from there".Service eh,wonderful.

You've hit the nail on the head there.
Poor customer service is, in my mind, a huge problem in NZ.
Personally, I'd prefer to buy from a place where I get knowledgable and friendly service even if the price is a bit more than at a 'super store'.
I think that's the point of difference that small businesses should focus on.
Seems basic as to me, but some bike shop staff seem to have an arrogant attitude and I think fuck 'em, I'll go elsewhere if you aren't fussed about receiving my trade.

avgas
14th March 2010, 17:08
Quick flick through tells me that sometimes we are a bit black and white.
The grey area here is the good part. You should support you local, but contrary to the idea that it supports the local economy.
You should support your local because of the feel good factor. Because of the premium service offered.
I still drive out of my way to go get fish and chips, for the very simple reason that they have always offered me exceptional friendly service.
Likewise, love or hate the warehouse - they do offer service (not the best etc). If you don't believe me go to Walmart or IKEA........
In reference to buying oil at the WH, big wow - I will buy any sort of product from them if I know they sell it and they are cheaper. I won't be buying oil from them for the simple principal that they don't sell the premium product I require. And they NEVER will as this is not their strategy. They are under "Operational Excellence", which crudely means move-as-much-product-as-possible. We do not pay for their service, we do not pay for their technology........we pay the lowest dollar for the cheapest crap.
For the local bike shop to feel threatened by this is concerned, as they feel they too are selling cheap crap, with no service involved.
So support your local for what they do. Not because you feel bad if you didn't.
I mean heaven forbid if 2 local small players opened up in the same area in NZ - would you split your funds 50/50 so that you didn't feel bad?

carver
14th March 2010, 20:37
They offer Excellent feel and are very comfortable, I only spent a year developing them.

sweet, sounds like they should pass a "carver" review then

Quasievil
14th March 2010, 22:17
sweet, sounds like they should pass a "carver" review then

If it held any relevance sure

carver
15th March 2010, 03:54
If it held any relevance sure

so when is the test date?

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 17:41
I am only making educated argument here and anyone who wishes to engage me might. So from the last few posts I infer that consumers must continue to support "bike shops" that charge 30-40% more than overseas simply to keep these businesses a-float. That inference is starting to sound like those businesses are not businesses and are in fact charities, and the consumer is in fact underrtaking charity work by purchasing those items.

Of cause I see the big picture - it is quite clear. However, most views here are biased from business owners themselves. Views in the end are just that - views, they do not sway or influence decision. Facts on the other hand give a very lucid explanation as to the course the future will take. It is not really my concern what the mark ups or gst a shop has to pay, as I don't benefit from it. Nothing personal - it's just business. After all is that not what you (bike shops etc) are in? When taxes or gst or the exchange rate drops - pass those costs on to the consumer - easy. Well the educated amongst us find that hard to digest.

I expect fair equitable prices, for I am a consumer and without me you will fail. Fact.
I will shop around for the best deal. Fact.
I understand the laws of demand and supply. Fact.
It's nothing personal. Fact.


Perhaps the younger generations are the ones who actually see the Big Picture and see past the horizons of New Zealand.

Engage me logically if you will. don't just take a dig.

Cheers Tony.
Its a vaild point about exchange rate fluctuation buts its not as clear cut as many think. Very often stock has to be committed to months in advance and is purchased at the prevailing exchange rate. ''Negative exchange rate shifts can only be insulated against if the busioess has enough capital to buy foreign currency when the exchange rates are more favourable for importing.
$US are of course what many people relate to, personally Id like to see our exchange rate against greenbacks at between 55 and 60 cents, good for our exporters and better overall for our country as a whole.

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 17:46
Of course, when you buy from overseas, you will often save money.

Remember, that in our modern world, we can move products across borders at will.

The only thing that we cant easily move is people.

So when you buy overseas, if you have a financial advantage from doing so, the reason is that you are actually buying the labour content of the product.

When you buy from asia, its actually their cheap labour you are importing.

Or it may be that you are taking advantage of the economies of scale, and higher productivity, such as when you buy from the USA. And of course your US based supplier does not have a minimum wage to pay, does not have ACC, and does not pay tax to provide universal health care, pensions or unemployment insurance.

But one thing is sure.

If you keep importing cheap labour from asia, then you will eventually face earning less. Thats supply and demand law you are so familiar with.

If you keep importing from the US, eventually there will be no free ride on the health care, pension, or unemployment fronts.

You may remain a consumer, but unless you are very skilled, and very productive you will have no income with which to consume.

For if you import everything from overseas, you will import their incomes. And unless you are evry skilled thats not going to be a nice place.

Great post, and of course there is already p;lenty of evidence that we are importing their low incomes.

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 17:48
ya gotta wonder why the red shed or similar haven't started up big box motorcycle shops yet.

would it work? They could put one or more in every significant town/suburb. They would have a larger buying power than the individual shops and could import direct bypassing the distributors. They would benefit from national advertising campaigns. Maybe even sell bikes.
It could slow down the internet sales, but a lot of the profit will still go to China and overseas shareholders etc.

What a lot of nonsense. The factories ( the real ones, not the shonky mainland Asian ones ) demand a proper distributor in every country

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 17:55
Yes I agree. So the question begs then who exactly can really afoard to pay this premium? Common joe blogs earning a 50k salary and a mortgage? I think not. You will find most people agreeing to pay the surplus over foreign suppliers to support local business will be the 'older' generation - by that I mean people 55 years + who are on descent money too say 100 k + with a couple of rental properties and a near freehold mortgage to rely on for financial stability. It is then not fair or equitable to expect the common biker on median wage to be able to pay the same prices as the latter. Again , its so fundamentally flawed the more I think about it the angrier I get.

Interesting conversation, what often brings me back to reality is thought about why so many goods are so cheap. Its because so much of it is made with sweatshop labour in Asia, conditions and poor remuneration that are abhorrent to Kiwis. So in one way or another we are all hypocrites???

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 17:56
You've hit the nail on the head there.
Poor customer service is, in my mind, a huge problem in NZ.
Personally, I'd prefer to buy from a place where I get knowledgable and friendly service even if the price is a bit more than at a 'super store'.
I think that's the point of difference that small businesses should focus on.
Seems basic as to me, but some bike shop staff seem to have an arrogant attitude and I think fuck 'em, I'll go elsewhere if you aren't fussed about receiving my trade.

Not only in NZ.....

Ixion
16th March 2010, 18:00
Well, that model dates from at least the 1930s. It is certainly overdue for change. And it doesn't seem to work very well , so probably the only reason it continues is the good old "we've always done it that way"

The three essential elements are marketing , distribution (right product at the right place at the right time), sales (Buy ours, not theirs), and support .

They all need to be there, but there's no inherent reason why the same business has to do all four . And very few busineses are good at all four . Indeed, very often already the marketing component is separated out. No reason why the others couldn't be split off (apart from WADITW of course) . The Red Shed is very very good at distribution -lousy at the others. But other business could do the sales and support bit (third party support arrangements are very common in the electronics industries).

Woodman
16th March 2010, 19:23
Interesting conversation, what often brings me back to reality is thought about why so many goods are so cheap. Its because so much of it is made with sweatshop labour in Asia, conditions and poor remuneration that are abhorrent to Kiwis. So in one way or another we are all hypocrites???

Totally agree with you, but if a business is to survive they are almost forced to go the cheap route because that is what their customers demand. The market decides what is right and wrong in the end. Like voting , just because it is popular, doesn't mean its right.

Robert Taylor
16th March 2010, 20:29
Totally agree with you, but if a business is to survive they are almost forced to go the cheap route because that is what their customers demand. The market decides what is right and wrong in the end. Like voting , just because it is popular, doesn't mean its right.

Not all market sectors demand that everything has to be cheap cheap cheap. In my world there are people that sell cheaps shocks that have cheap performance. Not everyone wants a cheap shock, they want a shock thatactually works and they want to talk to someone that understands the product they are selling

98tls
16th March 2010, 20:51
Not all market sectors demand that everything has to be cheap cheap cheap. In my world there are people that sell cheaps shocks that have cheap performance. Not everyone wants a cheap shock, they want a shock thatactually works and they want to talk to someone that understands the product they are selling

The reality is RT that people like yourself have nothing to worry about as i am sure you know.Theres plenty of opinions posted here that have merit but many more that are nothing more than rubbish,the world isnt going to end tommorow if i purchase something outside our little country,child/cheap labour has been around for a lot longer than anyone posting here or there grandfathers for that matter,it wont end if i solely buy Kiwi made.Did a bit of research in the last few days and to sum up i stand by my earlier posts as in when what i want/need is avaliable at a resonable price from someone local (shit ive even made allowances of a few $hundy at times) i will purchase from them,but to be quoted a price for a set of aftermarket rims a $1000 more +post than i can and did buy a set +chain+sprocket+post+GST (yes i chose to pay it despite being offered a way round it) then f$ck em,talk about taking the piss.

jonbuoy
16th March 2010, 23:38
The big four Jap bike makers outsource or import "labour" to cut costs and overheads, Triumph and Kawasaki do the same. Manufacturers of other goods in NZ have outsourced production to cut overheads you canīt blame or guilt trip joe public for not doing the same and cutting their own overheads to play fair and be nice to the local guy. You canīt stop progress - internet buying isnīt going to go away, the younger generation are growing up with it and will turn to local shops less and less. Businesses will adapt or change or go bankrupt. The only way they can compete is with superior service and local knowlage or to make it MORE convenient to buy locally, would anyone bother to buy online to save 10-15% probably not but when people see they can save 20-40% online it really is worth the hassel and risk.

Robert Taylor
17th March 2010, 17:52
The big four Jap bike makers outsource or import "labour" to cut costs and overheads, Triumph and Kawasaki do the same. Manufacturers of other goods in NZ have outsourced production to cut overheads you canīt blame or guilt trip joe public for not doing the same and cutting their own overheads to play fair and be nice to the local guy. You canīt stop progress - internet buying isnīt going to go away, the younger generation are growing up with it and will turn to local shops less and less. Businesses will adapt or change or go bankrupt. The only way they can compete is with superior service and local knowlage or to make it MORE convenient to buy locally, would anyone bother to buy online to save 10-15% probably not but when people see they can save 20-40% online it really is worth the hassel and risk.

Yes indeed the big four do outsource / subcontract. But in relative terms they have a modicum of quality control that their Asian counterparts on the mainland usually care little about.

The Pink Panther
25th April 2010, 16:59
Have you guys seen how many great Motor Bike dvd's are at the Warehouse for next to nothing
By NZ made get over it.
we export 99.9 % of anything produced in NZ.
Does China make a superbike if so it could be sold through the Warehouse.