M1 Motorsport BMW S1000RR Début

[CHOPPA]

About 4 weeks ago I had a meeting with Robert, the owner of M1 Motorsport. He came to me with the idea of starting a superbike team aboard the new BMW S1000RR. Within a couple of weeks we had the bike organised and it was decided even though the team or bike would not be ready in time we thought it would be important for the championship and development that we would attend the first round of racing.

We managed to find all the required parts to turn the bike into a race bike without to many problems but thanks to a volcano, getting them delivered has been quite the task! Lucky for us one of the most important components was in the very capable hand of Mr Robert Taylor so needless to say the suspension made its way on to the bike with very little hassle. So aside from suspension the bike was raced as you would buy the bike from the showroom floor.

We completed a few laps on the friday and without to much effort we found a very stable base setting. Well I say it wasnt much effort for me, RT was flat out all day, revalving shocks, forks changing springs etc etc. I have been using RT for a while now and he does put a lot of time into tuning my suspension but I can assure you if you use CKT to purchase suspension he will deliver the same service to you. I know this as from the first time I started racing road bikes I realised the benefits of having good suspension, i purchased the usual from CKT and from that moment on Robert and Dennis have allways had time for track side revalves spring changes etc etc all as part of there service to there valued customers.

Saturday rolled around and so did the weather! I was under strict instructions to keep the road fairings mint as we will be selling them on to further fund the project. Fortunetly a lot of the regular riders are in contract negotiations so I was able to concentrate on testing different set ups etc.

I did just what i had to, to take pole in the wet qualifying.

Race 1 was restarted due to a several bike pile up at the haipin. I got the holeshot and with the use of the traction control I was able to pull away to a 30+ second lead and set a time of 1.085 on a semi damp track

Race 2 was much the same, we had tried a new spec in the fork that was showing some great characteristics but it just needs a bit of fine tuning to really make it work well.

All in all a very good weekend, the results were a bonus but the main point is that we are already heading in the right dirction with the BMW S1000RR and early indications suggest with some more development this is going to be a potent superbike.

Thanks VMCC :)

[Kickaha]

Excellent to hear Sloan and good to see another brand out there

So was the traction control a major benefit? would you have gone as fast without it?

[KS34]

Great to see you out there Choppa doing an awesome job, best of luck for the season and getting the bike sorted and accepted into NZSBK.

[CHOPPA]

Excellent to hear Sloan and good to see another brand out there

So was the traction control a major benefit? would you have gone as fast without it?

I think in places i would have gone faster without it but it did make life easier in that i didnt have to worry if there was a damp part out of a corner etc because I could just leave the throttle wide open and let the TC sort if out

[CHOPPA]

Great to see you out there Choppa doing an awesome job, best of luck for the season and getting the bike sorted and accepted into NZSBK.

Ah well if they dont want another bike in the field then thats there problem. ..

I might have a buyer for your bike..... How much do you want?

[Matt Bleck]

Congrats to you and the team Choppa!!!

[woodyracer]

Great to watch choppa, you were kicking ass out there.

[Kickaha]

Ah well if they dont want another bike in the field then thats there problem. ..

Is there a homologation issue with the TC and quickshifter or not enough bikes sold?

[CHOPPA]

Is there a homologation issue with the TC and quickshifter or not enough bikes sold?

There is enough bikes sold but it is an issue over the TC and quickshifter.

The bike should be homologated as it is though, the TC model is the only model that has so far been sold in NZ and that is the model that will be making 90% of the sales so it should instantly be eligible.

The ducati 1198 S is homologated and that has traction control and full ohlins.

The rsv R is homologated and that has full ohlins

[Kiwi Graham]

Well chuffed you had a good run mate.
I'm sure if they (MNZ) had an issue with the TC and quick shifter, by disabling them you would be good to go eh! (easy to tell if you didn't :shifty:).

Didn't get down there myself this time but looking forward to seeing it in action next time.
Open practice at Puke on the 29th for more testing?

[CHOPPA]

The quickshifter is also on the base model, its not an option that you have. If a bike comes with it from the factory and it should be homologated and whatever model makes up the majority of the sales should be the model that is homologated.

I can understand the Ducati 1098r not being homologated but this is a very special model and this would only make up about 1% of there sales

[CHOPPA]

Well chuffed you had a good run mate.
I'm sure if they had an issue with the TC and quick shifter, by disabling them you would be good to go eh! (easy to tell if you didn't :shifty:).

Didn't get down there myself this time but looking forward to seeing it in action next time.
Open practice at Puke on the 29th for more testing?

I just wont use the quickshifter and ill disable the TC.....

Yeah man if the race gear is sorted by then i need all the practice I can get!!

[Tony.OK]

Good shit Chop..............of course your new bike should be allowed, standard equipment is just that!, Yamaha was the first to do the fly by wire throttle, no probs with that was there. Did Honda have the ABS on track?

Here's hoping the other factories will take the next step as well when they release new models, if the technology is available ya may as well use it.

Gutted to hear the track was damp, that makes those times of yours even better hahaa, no chance for me to get near ya then..

[Movistar]

Great news Sloan.

Will be keeping a close eye on developments over the coming season.

You, and the bike, are more than capable. Unfortunately, the Tall Poppy Syndrome may prevail.
But, as with any advancement in design and technology, the rest of the field have to lift their game. And this can only be beneficial to the sport in general.

The bike is enough of a weapon on the street, but obviously it's even more at home on the track.

Look forward to your future reports also.

[KS34]

Ah well if they dont want another bike in the field then thats there problem. ..

I might have a buyer for your bike..... How much do you want?
Cheers for keeping it in mind mate, I've been talking to Shaun and he made sense I hadnt really considered ( develop as a rider first) so its off the market.

[gixerracer]

Well done that man was great to see a new brand out there (3 actually) with apirllia and ktm making up the top 3 WTF up with that no japas?
Under the current rules there will be no way that bike would be allowed to race but the easiest and I think most sensible thing to do would be to allow all the NZ superbikes to have a quick shifter and allow traction control as all the bikes have the option of hooking these up via the ECU and race loom, will be interesting to see wot MNZ do
There is enough bikes sold but it is an issue over the TC and quickshifter.

The bike should be homologated as it is though, the TC model is the only model that has so far been sold in NZ and that is the model that will be making 90% of the sales so it should instantly be eligible.

The ducati 1198 S is homologated and that has traction control and full ohlins.

The rsv R is homologated and that has full ohlins

[Kickaha]

but the easiest and I think most sensible thing to do would be to allow all the NZ superbikes to have a quick shifter and allow traction control as all the bikes have the option of hooking these up via the ECU and race loom

That would be to sensible

[gixerracer]

Well done yesterday chop chop was good to see 3 new brands up front with BM apirllia and ktm making up the top 3 WTF no japas?
Under the current rules no way can that bike race in the nats so will be interesting to see what MNZ do, the best thing will be to allow us all to run a quick shifter and traction control as we all have the means of doing so with the race ECU and wiring looms allowing such things to be plugged straight in.
There is enough bikes sold but it is an issue over the TC and quickshifter.

The bike should be homologated as it is though, the TC model is the only model that has so far been sold in NZ and that is the model that will be making 90% of the sales so it should instantly be eligible.

The ducati 1198 S is homologated and that has traction control and full ohlins.

The rsv R is homologated and that has full ohlins

[CHOPPA]

Well done that man was great to see a new brand out there (3 actually) with apirllia and ktm making up the top 3 WTF up with that no japas?
Under the current rules there will be no way that bike would be allowed to race but the easiest and I think most sensible thing to do would be to allow all the NZ superbikes to have a quick shifter and allow traction control as all the bikes have the option of hooking these up via the ECU and race loom, will be interesting to see wot MNZ do

Actually that is probably the best idea i have heard Craig. I think all the bikes with the yoshi, yec, hrc etc etc ecus have the capability to run quick shifters and tc. Id rather have the advantage but fairs fair i suppose lol

[R6_kid]

any photo's of you and the bike in action?

There was a journo 'testing' one at Hampton Downs yesterday... that thing looks hot no matter what direction you look at it from.

[woodyracer]

MNZ would have to be crazy to stop you running the bike in the NZSBK's, it would be {hopefully will be] great to a see a euro bike up there in the nats, the more manufacturers the better.

[Robert Taylor]

MNZ would have to be crazy to stop you running the bike in the NZSBK's, it would be {hopefully will be] great to a see a euro bike up there in the nats, the more manufacturers the better.

Indeed, I think there is a danger of trying to make our premier class too regulated for the noble but often poorly researched cause of trying to keep it as affordable as possible. There are in fact people out there who will back our top up and coming riders ( such as Sloan ). If we can have a greater diversity of machinery it makes it more interesting and builds a bigger fan base. For myself Ive always been pretty indifferent to Bavarian motorcycles but its great to see them included

[Clivoris]

Great performance Choppa. I agree with Craig as well. MC racing in NZ has to move with the times.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well done. Nice to see another brand getting stuck in! Hope MNZ see the light.

[kiwifruit]

Congratulations sir!

[Her_C4]

any photo's of you and the bike in action?

Just sorting photo's now ... Looking pretty hot out there I have to say:sunny:

[quickbuck]

Great performance Choppa. I agree with Craig as well. MC racing in NZ has to move with the times.

And another for a Vote of MNZ moving with the times.

Well Done Choppa, on the awesome display you put on. Will be great to see it mixing it with the other regulars in the future....

[Kickaha]

Has anyone approached MNZ to get those rules amended?

[R6_kid]

Has anyone approached MNZ to get those rules amended?

Probably better if support is shown for it by people actually speaking up. If Choppa and M1 Motorsport are the only ones chasing them then it might fall on deaf ears.

[johan]

Congrats Choppa, brilliant riding, sweet bike!

There's a rule that says traction contol can be used if it's OEM.

12a The fitment of a Traction Control unit is not permitted unless fitted as standard OEM for
the homologated model

But then quick shifter...

12 PROHIBITED.
The use of complete on board engine management ignition injection systems, data
acquisition computers, recording equipment are banned, (ie Motec type systems).
Note Official onboard lap timing devises and TV camera are permitted.
The use of gearbox quick shift systems including additional handlebar mounted kill
switches (fitted for this purpose) are prohibited

[roadracingoldfart]

So hide the switch Choppa .

[unhingedlizard]

Some photos
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs342.ash1/29281_1490930872420_1208447094_31424318_893568_n.j pg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs333.snc3/29281_1490930912421_1208447094_31424319_4738541_n. jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs353.snc3/29281_1490930952422_1208447094_31424320_7429584_n. jpg

[CHOPPA]

Some photos
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs342.ash1/29281_1490930872420_1208447094_31424318_893568_n.j pg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs333.snc3/29281_1490930912421_1208447094_31424319_4738541_n. jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs353.snc3/29281_1490930952422_1208447094_31424320_7429584_n. jpg

That must have been when i was practising starts out of pit lane. I couldnt get the starts right cause as soon as the bike thought it was going to wheel stand or lose traction it would cut out! Would have looked like a goon haha

[gixerracer]

The TC control is an optional extra you should just turn it off lol as that is how you will have to race it anyway
That must have been when i was practising starts out of pit lane. I couldnt get the starts right cause as soon as the bike thought it was going to wheel stand or lose traction it would cut out! Would have looked like a goon haha

[unhingedlizard]

That must have been when i was practising starts out of pit lane. I couldnt get the starts right cause as soon as the bike thought it was going to wheel stand or lose traction it would cut out! Would have looked like a goon haha

yeah, i couldn't get starts right cause of the TC as well...:shifty: not really, its cause i is sh1t


I wonder now that road bikes have the TC and ABS how long it will be until launch control is standard as well.

[CHOPPA]

The TC control is an optional extra you should just turn it off lol as that is how you will have to race it anyway

It would be faster with it turned off, its good in damp conditions and in the wet, problem is that depending what mode you have it on determines the amount of traction control and what lean angle its used on but the problem is it reduces the hp. You need to be able to adjust the tc setting but keep the full HP. We cant do that so it will be disabled

[wharfy]

Nice work Choppa, you looked pretty slick when you blatted past me in practice !!
Your dad was grinning his head off when I spoke to him !!!!

[SWERVE]

Well done Choppa. Good to meet you and have a chat. As i said, the bike looked SOOOOOOOoo stable out there. Got the chance to watch a few laps thru a high power camera lense and it confirmed how stable it is particually under acceleration out of the turn.
Im with the vote for allowing TC and quickshifters to all superbikes ........... its an obvious choice. If they put up any resistance to letting the S1000rr race then they should be stoned and exciiled (it would be a true crime).
Awesome stuff .......... cant wait to see it again

[Shaun]

Good work that Team

[coffeejunkie]

I must say when i heard the rumor it was gunna be a BMW dragging ya ass round the track i thought ok lets see what it's got.....Colour leaves abit to be desired but then thats neither here nor there....!st on the startline & i thought yeh ok so he worked for that spot...Then watching the first race my mouth was open the whole time like i was catching fly or something.....A bike isn't much without a rider with some skill But i must say not only were you smooth & graceful but you pretty much crapped all over the other racers (sorry guys), Well done indeed......I'm thinking your the new "watch this space"

[Robert Taylor]

Well done Choppa. Good to meet you and have a chat. As i said, the bike looked SOOOOOOOoo stable out there. Got the chance to watch a few laps thru a high power camera lense and it confirmed how stable it is particually under acceleration out of the turn.
Im with the vote for allowing TC and quickshifters to all superbikes ........... its an obvious choice. If they put up any resistance to letting the S1000rr race then they should be stoned and exciiled (it would be a true crime).
Awesome stuff .......... cant wait to see it again

Note that when the bike gets an injection of more horsepower it will likely introduce some instability problems so we will be again working hard on new settings. Its usually easy to make a bike with a stock power curve stable

[Maido]

Hey Chop, good to see you with a ride, especially something exotic! must be quite a buzz!
As far as rule changes go, get onto it asap to ensure you have plenty of time to get things done go here (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Competition_Rule_Change_Policy.pdf), to see the how the process it carried out.
Here (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2011%20Appendix%20Super%20Bike%20APRIL%2010th%2020 09.doc) is the current proposed rules to be brought in for the 2011 superbike season, going by this (rule 13) "In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize money will not apply."
I am sure if you get hold of the road race comission, which is made up of up to date logical thinkers (Pete Ramage, Brian Bernard etc) they will be able to sort you out and somehow work the rules for you to compete.

Looking forward to see how you progress with this, good luck!

[CHOPPA]

Hey Chop, good to see you with a ride, especially something exotic! must be quite a buzz!
As far as rule changes go, get onto it asap to ensure you have plenty of time to get things done go here (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Competition_Rule_Change_Policy.pdf), to see the how the process it carried out.
Here (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2011%20Appendix%20Super%20Bike%20APRIL%2010th%2020 09.doc) is the current proposed rules to be brought in for the 2011 superbike season, going by this (rule 13) "In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize money will not apply."
I am sure if you get hold of the road race comission, which is made up of up to date logical thinkers (Pete Ramage, Brian Bernard etc) they will be able to sort you out and somehow work the rules for you to compete.

Looking forward to see how you progress with this, good luck!

Those rules look good to me, when would they come into effect?

[Maido]

no idea! I would say in time for the NZSBK rounds in January? Looking over those rules they are a combination of both the current superbike/superstock rule book. Maybe they are looking at doing away with the class inside a class thing? Which is a bit shit, cosI was seriously thinking about running a stock 1000 in that class. I worked it out that it would cost approx the same to run a 600SP bike by my calculations. And watching Tony doing well also gave me inspiration to switch over, but I will have to see now.

[CHOPPA]

no idea! I would say in time for the NZSBK rounds in January? Looking over those rules they are a combination of both the current superbike/superstock rule book. Maybe they are looking at doing away with the class inside a class thing? Which is a bit shit, cosI was seriously thinking about running a stock 1000 in that class. I worked it out that it would cost approx the same to run a 600SP bike by my calculations. And watching Tony doing well also gave me inspiration to switch over, but I will have to see now.

I think it would be a real good class if they combined the classes like that, we need more people in the one class and with rules like that it would make the racing a lot closer. It means the factory teams would have to make there bikes slower then they are by removing the cams etc

[cowpoos]

Well done that man was great to see a new brand out there (3 actually) with apirllia and ktm making up the top 3 WTF up with that no japas?
Under the current rules there will be no way that bike would be allowed to race but the easiest and I think most sensible thing to do would be to allow all the NZ superbikes to have a quick shifter and allow traction control as all the bikes have the option of hooking these up via the ECU and race loom, will be interesting to see wot MNZ do

Your wrong Craig...traction control is fine as choppa states...it will be as homologated...quickshifter is a no...as it stipulates in rules no ignition cut devices...which is what it is.
But I'm sure Choppa will get a ruling from MNZ to clarify...as he will about removing the cat and make his own mid pipe between the headers and the pipe to run as a superstock??

Besides this...Frickin awesome times Chop!!!

[cowpoos]

Congrats Choppa, brilliant riding, sweet bike!

There's a rule that says traction contol can be used if it's OEM.

12a The fitment of a Traction Control unit is not permitted unless fitted as standard OEM for
the homologated model

But then quick shifter...

12 PROHIBITED.
The use of complete on board engine management ignition injection systems, data
acquisition computers, recording equipment are banned, (ie Motec type systems).
Note Official onboard lap timing devises and TV camera are permitted.
The use of gearbox quick shift systems including additional handlebar mounted kill
switches (fitted for this purpose) are prohibited

Errrrr...like I was just saying....didn't read whole thread before repleying...but this is how the rules are!

[gixerracer]

No Mrs POOOOOOOOOOs I think you are wrong only coz I wish you to be wrong, BMW website states TC is available as an extra with race abs which to me means it is not on the base standard model???
Your wrong Craig...traction control is fine as choppa states...it will be as homologated...quickshifter is a no...as it stipulates in rules no ignition cut devices...which is what it is.
But I'm sure Choppa will get a ruling from MNZ to clarify...as he will about removing the cat and make his own mid pipe between the headers and the pipe to run as a superstock??

Besides this...Frickin awesome times Chop!!!

[cowpoos]

No Mrs POOOOOOOOOOs I think you are wrong only coz I wish you to be wrong, BMW website states TC is available as an extra with race abs which to me means it is not on the base standard model???

We'll have to see How MNZ see it....And I think it would be wise for Choppa to make an appointment to see someone at MNZ [road race commissioner?? ]

[onearmedbandit]

Awesome news choppa, look forward to seeing you do your stuff down here at Ruapuna again.

[gixerracer]

Yea for sure they need to get the wip cracking on it asap MNZ should see sence and HOMOlogate it but this MNZ we are talking about so who knows what will happen. I think they should just ban evertything that aint a HONDA. The thing is if they let in the BWM with its race abs and tc etc y cant I get an 1198r and go race that there would be not much difference except that ducati would be way to expensive lol
We'll have to see How MNZ see it....And I think it would be wise for Choppa to make an appointment to see someone at MNZ [road race commissioner?? ]

[roadracingoldfart]

Yea for sure they need to get the wip cracking on it asap MNZ should see sence and HOMOlogate it but this MNZ we are talking about so who knows what will happen. I think they should just ban evertything that aint a HONDA. The thing is if they let in the BWM with its race abs and tc etc y cant I get an 1198r and go race that there would be not much difference except that ducati would be way to expensive lol

This is motorcycle racing Craig , dont expect parity and sence to be too prevelant in any decisions made.
I feel if its alowed because its a valid option or std fiment then thats cool but if it can only be made available for some bikes via a motec(sp) or similar then thats a bit differant.
Penalising a brand for installing advanced components on a bike is very negative, but as i said it is motorcycle racing.

[Toast]

Good shit, Chop! Awesome times in the damp/wet/whatever it was. Please, please, please get the rules bs sorted and then it should be an awesome fight to watch come Nat's :D

[Tony.OK]

Those rules look good to me, when would they come into effect?

I have a feeling those are from last year Chop (april 09, and Paul S is no longer the road race commissioner) and have been outdated by the Appendix C on the main rules page, those are the rules that kicked up the big stink last year re no cams etc.

Could be wrong though, am still waiting to hear back myself from Peter Ramage cause my bike certainly wouldn't qualify with those rules.

[pete376403]

Latest (June) Cycle World mag has the masterbike shootout run at Aragon (Spain) racetrack. BMW beat the other 8 by a considerable margin, and eurobikes filled the top 5 places. Japan has some work to do...

[EJK]

Aren't you the dude who got a Kawasaki 250R after getting your license in summat early 2008 and sold heat pumps?

You've come a long way! That's awesome dude.

[CHOPPA]

Aren't you the dude who got a Kawasaki 250R after getting your license in summat early 2008 and sold heat pumps?

You've come a long way! That's awesome dude.

Yeah your half right ;) I started racing road bikes in 2008 after racing MX forever. My sister got a 250R in 08....

[Petrolic]

Good to see the beamer kick butt, What rubba was she using out there. Also why not allow Tc and Qs in the Nats, can't be price bcos only for a little more than a set of tyres you can get a Bazzaz unit with tc and qs and self mapping for about $800 us and so simple to fit. Works great and to be honest I only got it to fiddle with. I can see Faster tracktime....safer tracktime... and MORE tracktime.. yeh ha :yes:

[johan]

What happens when you change to a tyre with a different radius than the traction control was deisgn for? Do you need to recalibrate the electronics? (assuming the traction control reads the front and rear wheel rotation speed)

Do you allow for software/sensor modifications, if not, how could MNZ control it?

Maybe software engineering skills can become as valuable as suspension tuners at the track. Do we want to go there? Or is it the future?

[CHOPPA]

What happens when you change to a tyre with a different radius than the traction control was deisgn for? Do you need to recalibrate the electronics? (assuming the traction control reads the front and rear wheel rotation speed)

Do you allow for software/sensor modifications, if not, how could MNZ control it?

Maybe software engeneering skills can become as valuable as suspension tuners at the track. Do we want to go there? Or is it the future?


I was running Dunlop tyres so there rolling radius is much diff then standard and the TC worked perfect. I had heard it could be a problem so i had done my research. There are upgraded ecus and I could get my ecu reflased.

I would like some changes made to better suit the track but that will be the last thing we do

[wharfy]

What happens when you change to a tyre with a different radius than the traction control was deisgn for? Do you need to recalibrate the electronics? (assuming the traction control reads the front and rear wheel rotation speed)

Do you allow for software/sensor modifications, if not, how could MNZ control it?

Maybe software engineering skills can become as valuable as suspension tuners at the track. Do we want to go there? Or is it the future?

We are already there Johan, The ECU in the 675 (and in Aprillia, Ducati, KTM, benelli...) can all be modified directly (no powercommander type intermediate box needed) with software readily available - Check out

http://www.tuneboy.com.au

For about the same price as a power commander you get software to run on a modest Windows lap top that can dick with the native ECU, you can map the fuel and ignition individually for each cylinder (obviously not to be done lightly or you could brick it).
I have this kit for the 675 and got Lester Ferdinand (from Murray McLeans in Nelson) to tune it on their dyno.

In theory I could have a wet and dry tune for every track I race on - it takes about 2 min to hookup and download a tune (its about as easy as itunes for your mp3 player :) )
In practice I don't dick with it - just like I don't dick with the suspension settings - cause I don't know what I am doing.

I suspect that someone will come out with new software to manage the TC on the newer models as soon as there is a market.

Also the current model 675 has the slipper clutch functionality emulated in software in the ECU so the line between mechanical tuning/modification is already pretty blurry. Oh and a quick shifter is a factory plug in option on 09 and later models.

Your in the computer bizz, what's your reverse engineering skills like ? Could be an interesting little hobby :)

[imdying]

That thing looks like your wee after too much Red Bull... Hoping when the race fairings arrive you're going for that scheme in your avatar, cause that looks stunning :yes:

[scracha]

Maybe software engineering skills can become as valuable as suspension tuners at the track. Do we want to go there? Or is it the future?
Put enough C coders at the track and with the right PLC's we won't need to bother with these pesky bloody riders.

[White trash]

No Mrs POOOOOOOOOOs I think you are wrong only coz I wish you to be wrong, BMW website states TC is available as an extra with race abs which to me means it is not on the base standard model???

When did you learn about puncuation and capital letters Craig? Your posts are half readable now, bit like your riding really......

[CHOPPA]

When did you learn about puncuation and capital letters Craig? Your posts are half readable now, bit like your riding really......

I actually noticed him offering usefull advice on another thread! Must be getting soft.....

[CHOPPA]

That thing looks like your wee after too much Red Bull... Hoping when the race fairings arrive you're going for that scheme in your avatar, cause that looks stunning :yes:

Yeah its prob not my favourite.... The R W B colour scheme is limited to the RR model, technically im riding the S1000R because it costs an extra $800 to get the RWB colour scheme and the S1000RR label. Not much point when we have to paint the whole bike anyway ;)

[unhingedlizard]

You going to race this thing at the 3 hour endurance race this year choppa (assuming it goes ahead)?

[gixerracer]

pHarq the lota ya
When did you learn about puncuation and capital letters Craig? Your posts are half readable now, bit like your riding really......

[jellywrestler]

From a safety point of view is it wise to run bikes with traction control together with ones without it?

[slowpoke]

Serious question: does traction control give tyres a harder or easier time of it?

Say someone who actually knows what they are doing (like that Craig fulla, idiot savant that he is, can ride a bike like very few people but can't master caps lock.....) can consistently slide the bike 'round the joint (ignoring HD for the moment). Will TC mean the tyres hooked up more so the carcass (tyre, not rider) will be more stressed.....or does spinning it up cook it more?

I remember when Garry McCoy really made his mark spinning it up and they theorised that because it was spinning rather than gripping the carcass was less distorted and didn't heat up as much. I wonder what TC means for tyres these days.......?

[scracha]

You going to race this thing at the 3 hour endurance race this year choppa (assuming it goes ahead)?
Well sod the traction control and quickshifter. Being a BMW, the real question is whether it'll have heated grips and matching panniers for the 3 hour touring race.

[CHOPPA]

From a safety point of view is it wise to run bikes with traction control together with ones without it?


How could it not be safe? Serious question....



Serious question: does traction control give tyres a harder or easier time of it?

Say someone who actually knows what they are doing (like that Craig fulla, idiot savant that he is, can ride a bike like very few people but can't master caps lock.....) can consistently slide the bike 'round the joint (ignoring HD for the moment). Will TC mean the tyres hooked up more so the carcass (tyre, not rider) will be more stressed.....or does spinning it up cook it more?

I remember when Garry McCoy really made his mark spinning it up and they theorised that because it was spinning rather than gripping the carcass was less distorted and didn't heat up as much. I wonder what TC means for tyres these days.......?

I found it was actually a bit harder on the tyre, usually i wouldnt be as hard on the gas out of higgins but with the TC i could be. The TC was set to let the bike slide a wee bit so you could turn a bit with the rear



Well sod the traction control and quickshifter. Being a BMW, the real question is whether it'll have heated grips and matching panniers for the 3 hour touring race.


I just applied for my ulysses membership

[CHOPPA]

You going to race this thing at the 3 hour endurance race this year choppa (assuming it goes ahead)?

Will prob do the endurance on an HP2 Sport

[unhingedlizard]

Cool! You'll be needing some engine case sliders for that!

[jellywrestler]

How could it not be safe? Serious question....

hi choppa,
it was a serious question and obviously it is safer than a bike without traction control.
What I was asking is when there's a mixture of bikes with and without TC in a corner is there going to be much difference in how they perform maybe adding a bit more risk etc to those without?

[SWERVE]

Not really any difference between that and two riders with varying levels of throttle control/skill. Which is commonplace. In perfect conditions it may not be as beneficial as you would think as the riders brain may want more power earlier and the ability to slide.
Think the marginal track conditions is where it will stand tall. The problem is when a following rider has the "balls" to follow such a bike into the corner but not the "talent" to get out of it.
Check out brock davidson/drag racing if you want to see a different beemer.............. and if you know a little about the scene.....check the times!!!!!!!!

[imdying]

Looks like George from Carbon Aramid Construction is on the job:

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[woodyracer]

i like those fairings, i thought carbon-fibre was restricted to re-inforcing though....

[imdying]

Nah, basically no restrictions on what you can do with it... they make everything from push bikes to the Airbus A380 from it. Pure carbon fibre is generally used with kevlar (aramid) fibre layers to provide a measure of anti-shatter and abrasion resistance.

George always provides very honest photos of his work... you can see all the slight imperfections in the layup before you buy.

[SWERVE]

Only the MNZ rules say that carbon fibre can only be used in re-inforcing points. To stop the "haves" and the "have nots" and the fact that it (as titainium)are not easily available in nz. Used to raid the skips at Dove Design (carbon) & TRD (titainium) back in the UK............ they threw it away.................!

[woodyracer]

Nah, basically no restrictions on what you can do with it... they make everything from push bikes to the Airbus A380 from it. Pure carbon fibre is generally used with kevlar (aramid) fibre layers to provide a measure of anti-shatter and abrasion resistance.

George always provides very honest photos of his work... you can see all the slight imperfections in the layup before you buy.

oh i knew that, but i mean in the rules for nz superbikes it states {i think} that you can only use carbon fibre for the re-inforcment of farings like around the bolt holes and stuff.

[imdying]

How did the Britten get past that?

[onearmedbandit]

How did the Britten get past that?

It didn't compete in the national superbike class, as it was never a production bike. (at least I think I'm sure it didn't.)

[Kickaha]

How did the Britten get past that?

The class was probably F1 at that time

[wharfy]

The class was probably F1 at that time

That sounds about right.

[Sketchy_Racer]

How could it not be safe? Serious question....


I found it was actually a bit harder on the tyre, usually i wouldnt be as hard on the gas out of higgins but with the TC i could be. The TC was set to let the bike slide a wee bit so you could turn a bit with the rear



Easy for it not to be safe, quite clearly after just one day of riding it you are relying on the TC to control your amount of rear slide instead of using you throttle. What happens when the computer has a gitch? or a sensor fails? Electronics in my experience always seem to fail at the most critical point.

Case in point is with the ABS on the hondas, Hayden Fitz was riding one in the 3 hour and got used to having abs and was just ham fisting the brakes going into corners, except one lap where for some reason the computer decided that the wheel was locking (when it wasn't) and just let the brakes off and he got to run off the end of the track.

[CHOPPA]

Easy for it not to be safe, quite clearly after just one day of riding it you are relying on the TC to control your amount of rear slide instead of using you throttle. What happens when the computer has a gitch? or a sensor fails? Electronics in my experience always seem to fail at the most critical point.

Case in point is with the ABS on the hondas, Hayden Fitz was riding one in the 3 hour and got used to having abs and was just ham fisting the brakes going into corners, except one lap where for some reason the computer decided that the wheel was locking (when it wasn't) and just let the brakes off and he got to run off the end of the track.

Id do the same thing i usually do when the back steps out to far. On your school of thought most bikes are unsafe to ride, most bikes coming out now have ride by wire throttles. What happens if there is an ecu fault and they hold the throttle wide? Electronics have no greater chance of failing then you have of a chain breaking or a flat tyre etc