Motorcyclist's body found (Paekakariki Hill Road, 10 Jan 2012) [Archive]

p.dath

10th January 2012, 16:01

I know we all have to die at some stage, and we all know that motorcycling has inherent risks.

Its not the length of your life that counts, but what you can extract from it. I hope they passed on enjoying every minute of their ride.

Headbanger

10th January 2012, 16:03

I hope they passed on enjoying every minute of their ride.

I'd imagine the last few seconds wouldn't have been overly enjoyable......

240

10th January 2012, 16:04

Thats bloody tragic R.I.P

Quasi

10th January 2012, 16:19

RIP fellow rider. Our thoughts go out to you, your family and friends.

Nasty

10th January 2012, 16:22

RIP Rider .. I know you will be missed by someone.

carbonhed

10th January 2012, 16:53

Not very forgiving up there is it?

RIP rider.

TrentNz

10th January 2012, 17:11

R.I.P :weep:

Bald Eagle

10th January 2012, 17:25

RIP fellow rider. Our thoughts go out to you, your family and friends. :weep:

Hopeful Bastard

10th January 2012, 17:30

Bugger. Thats a nice piece of road.. Very unforgiving if you get it wrong...

R.I.P Mate.

\m/

10th January 2012, 18:07

Always sad when this happens. Ride in peace.

98tls

10th January 2012, 18:20

By the grace of god eh,RIP rider.

Crasherfromwayback

10th January 2012, 18:39

Bad one. Too much traffic on that road now for my liking. RIP.

caspernz

10th January 2012, 18:42

R.I.P. to a fellow rider

shonofear

10th January 2012, 18:45

shesh, really dont enjoy hearing about moto deaths,
RIP brother

98tls

10th January 2012, 19:43

Jesus H this is sooo internet motorcycling at its worst,why not just post up RIP if thats how you felt when you read the thread title or leave it be.

Mom

10th January 2012, 19:45

Jesus H this is sooo internet motorcycling at its worst,why not just post up RIP if thats how you felt when you read the thread title or leave it be.

I rest my case! Very sad shit indeed.

Beemer

10th January 2012, 20:08

Latest update - http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6236799/Man-found-dead-on-Paekakariki-Hill-Rd

58-year-old Waikanae man.

actungbaby

10th January 2012, 20:17

I'd imagine the last few seconds wouldn't have been overly enjoyable......
No i imagine you be think shit wished i slowed down , and worried about ones u leave behind. best to be alive thats for sure

Crasherfromwayback

10th January 2012, 20:22

FFS someone get a mod to edit this shit out. I made a perfectly legitimate comment stating the bleeding obvious, we did not know who it was at the fucking time. Yet people were ready to hand out the RIP's when it could've been a bike thief, someone who most here would like to fucking deal to, not offer RIP's. Is that my fellow biker? Is that your fellow biker?

Only after my comment was it established that someone knew them.

From memory...you were only too happy to RIP the guy in CH CH before you knew who it was? Double standards anyone? Anyway...my bad. I say for now bad buzz...and stay safe out there.

actungbaby

10th January 2012, 20:27

I rest my case! Very sad shit indeed.
yes think posting these rips not the best idea alot emotions strong ones get stirred up when you just have tohave i person reads something can be very hurtfull , i had 2 deaths in the family in last 6 months , just something you got work
Though everone handles in there own way some may lash out get angry just let them be dont look symtoms more reason the causes
am sorry that this person been lost in this fashion a waste of a life
but most times things are out are human control thats the diffcult part . i understand this too well

onearmedbandit

10th January 2012, 20:31

From memory...you were only too happy to RIP the guy in CH CH before you knew who it was? Double standards anyone? Anyway...my bad. I say for now bad buzz...and stay safe out there.

You know what Pete, good point. Double standards on my part. But I'm allowed to change my beliefs, and after Joe's funeral I did. I felt cheated and ripped by what he did, and me being cut up about his death, only to find it was through one of the most stupid acts on that street that I could think of. After we spent time together mentoring young riders at Ruapuna, reinforcing to them about not riding like that around town, after we spoke at length about time and place.

I've dealt with it, but I won't let myself be sucked into that again.

Crasherfromwayback

10th January 2012, 20:36

You know what Pete, good point. Double standards on my part. But I'm allowed to change my beliefs, and after Joe's funeral I did. I felt cheated and ripped by what he did, and me being cut up about his death, only to find it was through one of the most stupid acts on that street that I could think of. After we spent time together mentoring young riders at Ruapuna, reinforcing to them about not riding like that around town, after we spoke at length about time and place.

I've dealt with it, but I won't let myself be sucked into that again.

We're all allowed to change our minds and views mate. But sometimes (most of the time in my opinion) it's best we do it in a more appropriate place.

Gone Burger

10th January 2012, 20:42

I will also get slammed for saying RIP to the fallen rider, but I say it loud and mean it. No, we don't know who it was. No, I hopefully will not know them after the name is released. But as a rider who very nearly put her family through this very same situtaion I feel so heavy for them tonight. Of course people are dying in many tradgic ways every moment of every day. But my thoughts are with his family tonight. I think about my family each and every time I get on a bike now, and what my parents would go through if I were to make such a mistake again.

We all have our own opinions. That is just mine. Different from the next person, absued by another, supported by someone at some point. I just hold my breath until the name is released, as I fear I would not have the strength needed right now if it were a friend.

4AGE

10th January 2012, 20:44

Damn that's scary. I actually rode over the hill at about 2.45pm today.

RIP

Number One

10th January 2012, 20:51

I hate that hill. TOO many times I have come across people on MY side of the road...I ride slow and careful but many many others on that road don't - that goes for cars and bikes.

Madness

10th January 2012, 20:58

I hate that hill. TOO many times I have come across people on MY side of the road...I ride slow and careful but many many others on that road don't - that goes for cars and bikes.

I love that road myself. It's not a road to be disrespectful of at any time but the technical nature of it makes it one of my favourites.

Condolences to the friends & family left behind.

Hitcher

10th January 2012, 21:01

Biker Down threads are always problematic, as this one proves once again.

We don't have any details of what happened to cause this particular fatality. Presumably those details will be made public by investigating authorities in due course.

While people may wish to mourn a "fellow biker", they should realise that there are other members who see little value in offering condolences for somebody they do not know who died for unknown reasons.

People grieve in different ways. Those who have died are gone. Our thoughts and concerns are better directed to people who remain with us, including the friends, families and loved ones of those who have died. At the very least, comments should be respectful of those people and what they need to do as a consequence of what has happened.

PrincessBandit

10th January 2012, 21:14

I hate that hill. TOO many times I have come across people on MY side of the road...I ride slow and careful but many many others on that road don't - that goes for cars and bikes.

I've only ridden over it once and that was enough for me!! I'm sure that no matter how many times someone rode that hill you could never consider the riding space predictable. Am I right in thinking that it's a road that you choose to ride (as opposed to having to use) i.e. a road you are more likely to use for recreational riding? (dorky Aucklander question here). Damn shame that someone has come to grief on it - "unforgiving" is the word used earlier to describe it, and it sure was today.

Indiana_Jones

10th January 2012, 21:17

RIP

-Indy

Ender EnZed

10th January 2012, 21:28

Am I right in thinking that it's a road that you choose to ride (as opposed to having to use) i.e. a road you are more likely to use for recreational riding?

Yes, but it is usually faster (particularly when used recreationally) if heading to or from the Hutt Valley. It's definitely not the main road.

Madness

10th January 2012, 21:33

It's definitely not the main road.

Not since about 1940. (http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/centennial-highway) I remember feeling rather aggreived when "they" dropped the speed limit through there a few years ago.

I don't like the Akatarawas.

jrandom

10th January 2012, 22:15

PrincessBandit

10th January 2012, 22:17

who are you and what have you done with Dan?

riffer

11th January 2012, 05:59

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Paul in NZ

11th January 2012, 11:24

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/motorcyclist-found-dead-road-4682026

I guess its wrong to speculate here but this is unfolding sadly.

While I'm generally a compassionate being, I've never really been one for the global brotherhood of bikers thing, mourning everyone that passes away on a bike - I already have enough personal ghosts riding with me.

BUT I've ridden that road just so many times and had enough close calls with vehicles coming towards me that I can't help but feel a shudder when I read that. Its sobering.

Either way - there is a family missing a loved one and there will be some tough days ahead for them. Vicki and I feel your loss and hope for better days ahead.

Gorgeousplak

11th January 2012, 12:04

Wehe atu mo ake tonu atu.. ride now forever free

jafar

11th January 2012, 12:12

It will be interesting to find out what happened, reading between the lines of the media reports , the crash could of happened some time ago & involved another vehicle.

Bald Eagle

11th January 2012, 13:17

Police media release seeking witnesses indicates a car turning into a driveway was involved

jafar

11th January 2012, 13:27

Police media release seeking witnesses indicates a car turning into a driveway was involved

that is at odds with the statement on stuff:

A motorcyclist has been found dead on the Paekakariki Hill Rd near Wellington.

The man's body was found by road workers about 1km from the summit of the Kapiti Coast road at about 3.30pm this afternoon, Inspector Mike Coleman said.

The Police Serious Crash Unit is at the scene but it was not immediately clear how long the body had been there.

The road has been closed to through traffic.

Paul in NZ

11th January 2012, 13:27

Ah - pooh

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6241344/Police-seek-fatal-crash-witnesses

willytheekid

11th January 2012, 13:55

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....BUT I've ridden that road just so many times and had enough close calls with vehicles coming towards me that I can't help but feel a shudder when I read that. Its sobering.

I lived in the area as a kid (kapiti), and like you, have ridden that road to many times...and had to many close calls due to the traffic & my own "youthful exuberance" (see..riding like a dick!...I was young and dumb!:facepalm:)

...I felt the same shudder when I read the news...sobering indeed:mellow:

Thoughts go out to the riders family and friends for their lost love one.

MSTRS

11th January 2012, 14:03

Ah - pooh

The standard (ha?) of journalism sinks to a new low...

A 58-year-old Waikanae man died after his motorcyclist was struck by a car near the summit about 3.25pm yesterday.

The road was closed to all but residents for three hours while the Police Serious Crash Unit examined the scene, Detective Sergeant Shane Rongonui said.

''We would like to speak to anyone who may have been travelling over the hill at the time of the crash and may have seen a yellow and black Suzuki GSX 1000 motorcycle travelling south and/or a Silver four door Ford Mondeo travelling north.''

A northbound car was turning into a driveway when it was struck in the rear side by the motorcycle on the south side of the hill about one kilometre from the summit.

His motorcyclist? And who struck whom?

Ildefonse

11th January 2012, 17:36

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778059

Very sad... I just drove there 2 days ago as well. Another biker had an accident/mishap at the lookout that day.
Dangerous road..

Str8 Jacket

11th January 2012, 17:52

Dangerous road..

There is no such thing as a dangerous road.

Mort

11th January 2012, 18:32

Very sad to read this. RIP.

carbonhed

11th January 2012, 21:27

There is no such thing as a dangerous road.

Was this a direct revelation from God or just some shit you made up?

Spearfish

11th January 2012, 21:34

This RIP mate stuff, who are you talking to?

pete376403

11th January 2012, 22:25

Either the bike hit the car or the car hit the bike - whatever, so did the car driver just ignore it and carry on?Leaving the guy there to be found by Fulton Hogan worker some time later?

Hawkeye

12th January 2012, 18:16

Bad Biker

12th January 2012, 18:40

R.I.P – Join the great MC Club in the sky where the fuel and tickets are cheaper.

MSTRS

13th January 2012, 08:32

More info from the police:

This is now officially a paint-by-numbers situation. A magic one, whereby every time the picture is finished, it magically - isn't.

chanceyy

13th January 2012, 12:39

allycatz

13th January 2012, 13:36

hmm confusing alright ... I have the same question as you do

Theres no cell phone reception at that part of the road, maybe the driver went straight to her house to make the call for help and then the biker was found in her absence?

Hellzie

13th January 2012, 13:37

Either the bike hit the car or the car hit the bike - whatever, so did the car driver just ignore it and carry on?Leaving the guy there to be found by Fulton Hogan worker some time later?

If you read the first article again, it says the workers found the body at 3.30 and the police press release says the accident happened at approximately 3.25. So once again bad reporting makes it sound like no one looked for the biker right after the accident which doesn't appear to be what actually happened.

chanceyy

13th January 2012, 14:02

Theres no cell phone reception at that part of the road, maybe the driver went straight to her house to make the call for help and then the biker was found in her absence?

one would hope that is the case ..

thecharmed01

15th January 2012, 18:20

Theres no cell phone reception at that part of the road, maybe the driver went straight to her house to make the call for help and then the biker was found in her absence?

Potentially she needed to get her kids out of eyeshot and somewhere safe too....
No one has said whether she checked on him before leaving - lot's of could have options there.

RIP to the rider, we own property up there and it's a nasty nasty road. Has my respect.

Katman

15th January 2012, 18:31

Has my respect.

Perhaps you give your respect away too freely.

JimO

15th January 2012, 19:11

Perhaps you give your respect away too freely.

i think she means she respects that road

Katman

15th January 2012, 19:16

i think she means she respects that road

Ah yes, having reread it I think you may well be right Jim.

My apologies to her.

thecharmed01

15th January 2012, 20:05

Ah yes, having reread it I think you may well be right Jim.

My apologies to her.

heh, yes I did mean the road has my respect. :msn-wink:

riffer

15th January 2012, 23:16

I've known people who've died on that road but I gotta say guys, its just a road.

Not that different from many I've ridden around New Zealand.

If you ride with full awareness of your surroundings, and good control over your motorcycle and definitely ride to the conditions you'll have a great ride on Paekak.

It reminds me a lot of what roads used to be like when I started riding. I remember going over that road when I was a teenager in the mid 1980s, freshly full licensed, following my Dad - he on his GT750 Kawasaki, and me on his beautifully restored KZ400, and we had a ball. I'd like to do the same with my kids.

I've since been over that hill dozens of times, with no incidents. And yet I hear about the perils of riding the goat track of death.

Please folks, don't try to build up the myth of the killer road - I couldn't bear to see us lose too many really challenging roads.

MSTRS

16th January 2012, 07:52

I remember going over that road when I was a teenager in the mid 1980s, freshly full licensed...

I too, but in the early 70s. It was a joy among many such roads. Many of which have certainly been lost. Or had the speed dicked with and/or actively policed. :weep:
However, it is also fair to say, that ones like the Paekak are now infested with cages, particularly SUVs, c/w drivers who can't...

RDJ

16th January 2012, 08:00

Perhaps you give your respect away too freely.

That is certainly one mistake you don't make.

riffer

16th January 2012, 08:34

I too, but in the early 70s. It was a joy among many such roads. Many of which have certainly been lost. Or had the speed dicked with and/or actively policed. :weep:
However, it is also fair to say, that ones like the Paekak are now infested with cages, particularly SUVs, c/w drivers who can't...

As opposed to the drunken louts in HQs with 308s and worn Dunlop Aquajets, MKIII Zephyrs repowered with Capri GXL V6 motors, or blind old grannies in Morris Minors?

My point is that there seems to always be SOMEONE ELSE to blame. We all know what's on the road, there's always been other users on the road. I hear time and again how motorcyclists are supposed to be the elite amongst New Zealand's road users, and I just wish that more of us lived up to the promise.

/rant over.

Crasherfromwayback

16th January 2012, 08:50

, and I just wish that more of us lived up to the promise.

/rant over.

Oi Katman...how come you've logged on as riffer??:bleh:

riffer

16th January 2012, 08:52

Oi Katman...how come you've logged on as riffer??:bleh:

Sorry man. Been spending too much time going through this Safer Journeys thing for BRONZ. It's made me kind of morose.

Crasherfromwayback

16th January 2012, 09:01

Sorry man.

No need to apologise mate. I'm only having the two of you on. Nothing wrong with the odd safety message!

MSTRS

16th January 2012, 09:15

As opposed to the drunken louts in HQs with 308s and worn Dunlop Aquajets, MKIII Zephyrs repowered with Capri GXL V6 motors, or blind old grannies in Morris Minors?

My point is that there seems to always be SOMEONE ELSE to blame. We all know what's on the road, there's always been other users on the road. I hear time and again how motorcyclists are supposed to be the elite amongst New Zealand's road users, and I just wish that more of us lived up to the promise.

/rant over.

I hear what you are saying (although Granny in her Morry Grinder was never on the Paekak. Or the Akas).
Still - it should be self-evident. There are many more people driving on such roads these days. Maybe it's old Murray taking the kids to show them where he used to hoon in the 'old days' - be that on his T250 or his hotted-up Mk I Escort/105E - or he actually lives there on his lifestyle block.
Chances of meeting anyone on THAT corner now are extremely high, compared to way back, is what I am saying. These roads are, in some ways, more dangerous now than they were.

NordieBoy

16th January 2012, 09:48

Maybe it's old Murray taking the kids to show them where he used to hoon in the 'old days' - be that on his T250 or his hotted-up Mk I Escort/105E.

My grandfather telling us how he used to drive home from 't pub with one eye closed so there were only 1 set of wheel marks to follow in the gravel.

Oh, and if you're going to use gelignite to fish for trout and eels in the river, from your boat, make sure the engine is running and throw it in downstream...

Paul in NZ

18th January 2012, 10:04

Met him once, He was a good guy....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6266210/Bike-crash-victim-had-beaten-cancer

jaffaonajappa

18th January 2012, 12:22

RIP James.

Fatjim

18th January 2012, 12:35

Ah yes, having reread it I think you may well be right Jim.

My apologies to her.

you had to read it twice? Does your dogmatic predetermination really cloud everything you do that much.

Katman

18th January 2012, 12:52

Sue me. :finger:

Tony W

19th January 2012, 03:02

oneofsix

19th January 2012, 06:01

... the poor bugger was only trying to avoid the deadly cheese-cutters on the nearby coast road,
too.....

someone on KB had obviously scared him......

Gee wiz, pity there wasn't a lane separation device on the Paekak Hill road.
....might have saved the car crossing over......but...then the road would be too dangerous to ride on eh.

It is not the cheese cutters themselves, they just prevent you getting past the plonker driving at 70k, it is the sleepy 80k limit they left in place after the "safety improvements".