Rossi/Ducati rift denied

[Bob]

Valentino Rossi and Ducati’s camps are denying a possible split following the former World Champion’s outburst after the Qatar MotoGP.

Rossi called the Desmosedici “unrideable”, saying he cannot brake hard into the corners. But with rumours of a terminal breakdown of the relationship between the two, denials have been issued on both sides. Rossi said “We will keep trying at every race. I will stay with Ducati”. Ducati CEO Gabriele del Torchio added “Valentino was just letting off steam. It is too early to talk of a divorce.”

[wysper]

To early for talk of a divorce suggests talk of a divorce is being considered.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi the whinger eh...who would've thought!:innocent:

[Oscar]

Rossi the whinger eh...who would've thought!:innocent:

I'll bet you were grinning from ear to ear when you typed that..
I never heard Rossi blame a bad race on arm pump though...:shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'll bet you were grinning from ear to ear when you typed that..
I never heard Rossi blame a bad race on arm pump though...:shifty:

Of course I was!

And you're correct of course Oscar...he's only ever complained (for over a year) about his sore shoulder!!!:shutup:

[Oscar]

Of course I was!

And you're correct of course Oscar...he's only ever complained (for over a year) about his sore shoulder!!!:shutup:


He may have complained about it, but he never used it as an excuse...

[Crasherfromwayback]

He may have complained about it, but he never used it as an excuse...

Same thing Oscar!

[Oscar]

Same thing Oscar!

Not really.
Complaining: "Ow, my shoulder is sore."
Excuse: "Ow, my shoulder is sore, Rossi cut me off, my suit was at the cleaners and I am Australian, and that's why I didn't win..."

A subtle difference, but clear none the less..

[Paul in NZ]

I'm probably just another victim of clever marketting (again) but I never pegged him for a whinger. Frankly I'd of though if he can't win on it then its a real dog....

[Oscar]

I'm probably just another victim of clever marketting (again) but I never pegged him for a whinger. Frankly I'd of though if he can't win on it then its a real dog....

Which makes Stoner even more of an enigma.
The greatest rider of this generation (Rossi) can’t make it work, and neither could most of his predecessors, but Stoner won on it.

[bogan]

Its pretty fucking obvious there is a rift somewhere, how was he doing before Ducati? and how is he going now? Not saying that ducs are shit, but it certainly isn't how Rossi needs it to be, and vice versa. Go back to Yamaha and duke it out with Lorenzo, would at least make for good watching :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Stoners bike and rossis bikes were different animals , you might find em narrowing the V engine ,

I was surprised that the new chassis hasn’t work so well , off the bat ,,,early days yet ...if by mid season it still ain’t working

I would expect rossi to bail !


Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would expect rossi to bail !


Stephen

Like he did on Michelin half way through a season...

[ckai]

Which makes Stoner even more of an enigma.
The greatest rider of this generation (Rossi) can’t make it work, and neither could most of his predecessors, but Stoner won on it.

I've had some interesting discussions about that (I pretty much listened while others gave their theories). From an unbiased persons view, look at the people that are doing well on the Yamaha now. From what I was told it was a bit of a pig years back, but certain riders have made it a great bike for many.

As opposed to the Duc. From what I've heard/read/seen pretty much only one rider has developed that bike but only one rider can be successful on it.

Stoner has developed a bike for himself. Rossi and others have developed a bike for everyone. I haven't decided if it's Stoner's intention or not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As opposed to the Duc. From what I've heard/read/seen pretty much only one rider has developed that bike but only one rider can be successful on it.

Stoner has developed a bike for himself. Rossi and others have developed a bike for everyone. I haven't decided if it's Stoner's intention or not.

Firstly...a lot of the 'development' on race bikes is done by the factory's 'development riders' not the racers. Seondly...it's not as if Stoner has been the only 'factory' rider on the Ducati the whole time is it? Capirossi? Hayden? Melandri? So not like he was the only guy giving the factory input eh? Have you not read Stoner saying that he (like Rossi is saying now) never got from the factory what he was always asking for?

[Pwalo]

Firstly...a lot of the 'development' on race bikes is done by the factory's 'development riders' not the racers. Seondly...it's not as if Stoner has been the only 'factory' rider on the Ducati the whole time is it? Capirossi? Hayden? Melandri? So not like he was the only guy giving the factory input eh? Have you not read Stoner saying that he (like Rossi is saying now) never got from the factory what he was always asking for?

Too true, but not too may of the development riders are as fast as the GP boys. Various sources also reckon Stoner did well despite the Ducati factory pretty well ignoring his feedback ,and requests for chassis/engine changes. He must be enjoying himself at the Repsol Honda team!

The Duc has certainly destroyed a few careers, and I believe Ducati offered M Melandri a few sessions with a psychiatrist rather than change their machine. You have to admire Stoner's nerve when he was on the Ducati, but boy he looked like an accident waiting to happen at every corner.

It'll be interesting to see if Ducati are prepared to make further changes this year. Perhaps a 65 degree v twin with a smaller bore?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Too true, but not too may of the development riders are as fast as the GP boys. Various sources also reckon Stoner did well despite the Ducati factory pretty well ignoring his feedback ,and requests for chassis/engine changes. He must be enjoying himself at the Repsol Honda team!

The Duc has certainly destroyed a few careers, and I believe Ducati offered M Melandri a few sessions with a psychiatrist rather than change their machine. You have to admire Stoner's nerve when he was on the Ducati, but boy he looked like an accident waiting to happen at every corner.

It'll be interesting to see if Ducati are prepared to make further changes this year. Perhaps a 65 degree v twin with a smaller bore?

Think you'll find Ducati and the Italians were that arrogant about their bike not being the 'problem' when Stoner was crashing they chose to ignore his requests. After all...he was winning races right? Can't be the bikes fault. He may've been a victim of his own ability.

There is talk of them closing up the vee angle. And it makes pefect sense. A 90 deg v is a fucking long engine and hard to place correctly in the frame.

The whole sad saga has gotta be THE worst PR nightmare ever for them.

[Swoop]

The saying about "poor tradesmen blaming their tools" comes to mind for some reason.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The saying about "poor tradesmen blaming their tools" comes to mind for some reason.

Yeah I can't remember Stoner ever complaing as publically or as loudly as Rossi is though...

[SimJen]

latest news from Ducati is they will be concentrating on making the power more usable as they think this is linked to the chronic understeer that Rossi and Hayden are experiencing. Seems the power is a little too brutal when first applied mid corner!

[Oscar]

Yeah I can't remember Stoner ever complaing as publically or as loudly as Rossi is though...

True.
Stoner don't complain about his bike.
He complains about other riders, mostly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

True.
Stoner don't complain about his bike.
He complains about other riders, mostly.

Yeah Rossi's never complained about others getting a tow eh. Doohan never did either. Tui ad. Haters be a hatin.

[SimJen]

Yeah I can't remember Stoner ever complaing as publically or as loudly as Rossi is though...

Stoner did complain its just wasn't world news when he used to say something!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner did complain its just wasn't world news when he used to say something!

lol. Could have a point there. Rossi is like the Pope! But I certainly can't recall Stoner ever saying he couldn't ride the Ducati.

[Oscar]

Yeah Rossi's never complained about others getting a tow eh. Doohan never did either. Tui ad. Haters be a hatin.

Yeah, haters be haters, lovers be lovers.
In related news, can you comment on the rumour that you have a life sized, anatomically correct blow-up Casey Stoner doll? And that you’re considering a civil union with it?



:shifty:

[SimJen]

Yeah, haters be haters, lovers be lovers.
In related news, can you comment on the rumour that you have a life sized, anatomically correct blow-up Casey Stoner doll? And that you’re considering a civil union with it?:shifty:

wouldn't be much call for them id imagine! probably bought it shop soiled, old stock going cheap!
though Casey must have some good points, his missus is FIT! (sorry WAS, kid etc).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, haters be haters, lovers be lovers.
In related news, can you comment on the rumour that you have a life sized, anatomically correct blow-up Casey Stoner doll? And that you’re considering a civil union with it?



:shifty:

Think it's far more likely you've got yourself a Rossi one mate. And I bet if it's anatomically correct, it's got a well used rear hole.

Ps:. When is Rossi's GF giving birth to his child? Fucking thing must be around 6 months overdue now.

[Oscar]

Think it's far more likely you've got yourself a Rossi one mate. And I bet if it's anatomically correct, it's got a well used rear hole.

Ps:. When is Rossi's GF giving birth to his child? Fucking thing must be around 6 months overdue now.

Nah, I don't fixate on road racers, all that leather doesn't do it for me.

Cyril Despres, on the other hand...that KTM orange gets a man going...<_<

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cyril Despres, on the other hand...that KTM orange gets a man going...<_<

Tough guys. Takes a certain type of nutter to go 100mph + blind in the desert.

[onearmedbandit]

The saying about "poor tradesmen blaming their tools" comes to mind for some reason.

Poor tradesmen? Bwahahahahahahahahahh. Yes of course, ol' Rossi the poor tradesman. :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Poor tradesmen? Bwahahahahahahahahahh. Yes of course, ol' Rossi the poor tradesman. :facepalm:

Think he was taking a swipe at Stoner mate. Either way...you'd be kidding yourself.

[DEATH_INC.]

Has anyone else ever noticed that Rossi has always had the best? Until Ducati, and he can't win on it...... :confused:

[SimJen]

Has anyone else ever noticed that Rossi has always had the best? Until Ducati, and he can't win on it...... :confused:

It could be argued that Rossi made the bike the best!
The Yamaha was far from the best! in 03 it managed 1 podium (3rd) and that was in the wet! Despite having good riders (Checa, Abe, Barros, Nakano etc).
Come 04 and Rossi won the first race on it, then the championship. It was his and Burgess's input that got it to that point! These are the facts!
Stoner is now on the best bike! he didn't do too bad on the Ducati, he was the only person who could ride it though as history has shown.
The Yamaha and Honda are universally rideable, and virtually anyone can seem to adapt to them!

[bogan]

So are the die hard Rossi fans going to root for Lorenzo cos he is on the bike Rossi 'made'? Or are they just going to root for him because he is going to dominate stoner this season?

[DEATH_INC.]

It could be argued that Rossi made the bike the best!
The Yamaha was far from the best! in 03 it managed 1 podium (3rd) and that was in the wet!
Remember '02 tho? I was competitive then.... '2002 saw the first season of the new four-stroke MotoGP class, which Rossi and the RCV went on to dominate - but Biaggi was again his closest rival, the Roman breaking the RCV domination of Rossi and team-mate Tohru Ukawa by claiming the first ever Yamaha M1 victory, at Brno, before taking a second M1 win later in the season. ' Not exactly back of the field....

[Crasherfromwayback]

It could be argued that Rossi made the bike the best!
The Yamaha was far from the best! in 03 it managed 1 podium (3rd) and that was in the wet! Despite having good riders (Checa, Abe, Barros, Nakano etc).
Come 04 and Rossi won the first race on it, then the championship. It was his and Burgess's input that got it to that point! These are the facts!
Stoner is now on the best bike! he didn't do too bad on the Ducati, he was the only person who could ride it though as history has shown.
The Yamaha and Honda are universally rideable, and virtually anyone can seem to adapt to them!

I reckon this guy knows what he's talking about...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

[SimJen]

So are the die hard Rossi fans going to root for Lorenzo cos he is on the bike Rossi 'made'? Or are they just going to root for him because he is going to dominate stoner this season?

I think you'll find the Die hard Rossi fans will continue to root for Rossi!
Personally I'm happy to just watch the racing, and hopefully Stoner doesn't run away with it as I don't want to see Motogp become boring like F1 did back in the Schumacher days!

[LBD]

But with Hayden coming in 4 places ahead of Rossi on the same bike, the question is....are the other riders getting better, or is Rossi losing his edge. Only one race mind you, 1/2 doz races into the season will be a better indication.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So are the die hard Rossi fans going to root for Lorenzo cos he is on the bike Rossi 'made'? Or are they just going to root for him because he is going to dominate stoner this season?

Poor old Lorenzo's timing is bad. He'd win a lot of championships if it weren't for Stoner being in his way...

[SimJen]

But with Hayden coming in 4 places ahead of Rossi on the same bike, the question is....are the other riders getting better, or is Rossi losing his edge. Only one race mind you, 1/2 doz races into the season will be a better indication.

Thats one race! difficult to judge.
Remember Rossi and Hayden were posting very similar times in pre-season testing, sometimes Rossi was ahead othertimes he was behind, but very little between them!
People seem to forget this fact! All of the Ducati riders are behind on the time sheets!
Nicky Hayden is also a former world champion!

[bogan]

Poor old Lorenzo's timing is bad. He'd win a lot of championships if it weren't for Stoner being in his way...

Oh I dunno, he seemed to get round him all right at qatar :shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think you'll find the Die hard Rossi fans will continue to root for Rossi!
Personally I'm happy to just watch the racing, and hopefully Stoner doesn't run away with it as I don't want to see Motogp become boring like F1 did back in the Schumacher days!

I agree. But I laugh at all the people that think I actually like Stoner. I couldn't give a flying fuck what sort of person he is, makes no difference to me or my life. It's the balls out way he rides a bike I love. Same goes for Rossi or Lorenzo when they win races and put on a lil (very gay in my eyes) show. I turn the telly off. It's the racing and awesome riding skills that give me a chubby, not who there are as people.

It's just that the Stoner haters have nothing else to wind me up about other than his personality!! All because he's given 'their men' a fucking hiding now he's on a decent bike.

But going back to the 'Rossi always had the best bike and equipment' bit etc. I agree, he did. But he deserved it. The world champ deserves all the best gear. Stoner should've jumped ship way sooner, and he'd have more than his two titles now. But see what's happened now he has the best gear?

Curtains.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh I dunno, he seemed to get round him all right at qatar :shifty:

lol. Well I'm sure you'll find that there was a very good reason for that mate.

Lucky the season ain't won in one race then eh!?

[bogan]

lol. Well I'm sure you'll find that there was a very good reason for that mate.

Lucky the season ain't won in one race then eh!?

Yeh, and I'm sure Stoner has gone on about it at length :violin:

Fucking eh, I just hope its a close one.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeh, and I'm sure Stoner has gone on about it at length :violin:

Fucking eh, I just hope its a close one.

As I've said elsewhere...he sure won't wank on about it for over a year as Rossi did with his shoulder. He's suffered arm pump before, I'm sure he'll sort it.

I reckon it will be closer. The Yamaha looks an awesome bike too this year, and they'll all have more power than they know what to do with.

Lorenzo for the next round too...then Stoner for Portugal, Lorenzo France, Stoner Catalunya and Great Britain and Assen etc etc...

[Oscar]

I agree. But I laugh at all the people that think I actually like Stoner.

But you bite every time.
I wish they could stock the Coromandel with Crasherfromwaybackfish...:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

But you bite every time.
I wish they could stock the Coromandel with Crasherfromwaybackfish...:yes:

Nah. I simply love proving people wrong when they're talking shit Oscar.

I have to listen to it all day.

[Badjelly]

Nah. I simply love proving people wrong when they're talking shit Oscar.

http://xkcd.com/386/

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://xkcd.com/386/

Hahaha...funnily enough, I've seen it before!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Think you'll find Ducati and the Italians were that arrogant about their bike not being the 'problem' when Stoner was crashing they chose to ignore his requests. After all...he was winning races right? Can't be the bikes fault. He may've been a victim of his own ability.

There is talk of them closing up the vee angle. And it makes pefect sense. A 90 deg v is a fucking long engine and hard to place correctly in the frame.

The whole sad saga has gotta be THE worst PR nightmare ever for them.

Mr Fish trousers from VWAudi will sort it out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mr Fish trousers from VWAudi will sort it out.

Probably some penis believer from the F1 field that convinced them to do the whole CF mono cock (see what I did there) thing in the first place.

[Swoop]

If Rossi's abilities are so OMG! awesome, then he should be able to get out there on anything and win.

Poor tradesmen? Bwahahahahahahahahahh. Yes of course, ol' Rossi the poor tradesman. :facepalm:
There are examples of lesser machines being "superior" when operated by certain individuals.
Let's hope his performance is better this year than last, eh?


Think he was taking a swipe at Stoner mate. Either way...you'd be kidding yourself.
Nope. Quite enjoy Stoner's riding. Just not in the Rossi-fanboi club though.

[onearmedbandit]

If Rossi's abilities are so OMG! awesome, then he should be able to get out there on anything and win.



Gee I'd say anyone that can race a GP machine to within 110% of a lap record has 'OMG! awesome' abilities. Wouldn't you? Then add to that 9 world championships...

I don't idolise Rossi, but then I don't deny the fact he is one of the greatest racers we've seen ever.

[SimJen]

Gee I'd say anyone that can race a GP machine to within 110% of a lap record has 'OMG! awesome' abilities. Wouldn't you? Then add to that 9 world championships...
I don't idolise Rossi, but then I don't deny the fact he is one of the greatest racers we've seen ever.

Yep no denying the facts, Stoner probably has the most chance of matching Rossi's achievements, but he's got a long way to go....
You can only make a bike go fast to a point, if the bike is incapable no matter what the skill level of the rider then you aren't going to win!
If Rossi or Hayden etc can't get it to the front then its the bike at fault, not a fading star as people seem so quick to point out!
Stoner could ride the previous iteration Ducati, but its a vastly different bike since then and Honda and Yamaha have both moved on incredibly!
Someone mentioned that Lorenzo was 2 secs a lap quicker on this years bike at Qatar! Thats a big leap!
If the Honda/Yamaha had stayed the same then the Duk would be capable of a win!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep no denying the facts, Stoner probably has the most chance of matching Rossi's achievements, but he's got a long way to go....
!

Stoner will never match Rossi's unreal 9 titles. He never came through the 125/250 ranks with factory equipment, and his first year on the 990 was only satelite equipment also. He then wasted three years on an uncompetitive pile of shit.

Had he had full factory/competitive equipment his whole career, things may have been quite different. But 'may' means fuck all in the real world.

I'm just glad I've been around to see Stoner in action. Most hair raising mofo I've ever watched.

[Swoop]

anyone that can race a GP machine to within 110% of a lap record has 'OMG! awesome' abilities. Wouldn't you? Then add to that 9 world championships...
So he has set a new lap record? 110% means he has exceeded the previous setting.
On a Ducati?

Yes, he certainly has abilities.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So he has set a new lap record? 110% means he has exceeded the previous setting.
On a Ducati?

Yes, he certainly has abilities.

The Ducati move has certainly removed a lot of Rossi's aura I reckon. Bit Like Tiger Woods when he got caught out.

[onearmedbandit]

So he has set a new lap record? 110% means he has exceeded the previous setting.
On a Ducati?



Within 110%. The way I've always understood that (and it is a commonly used term when talking about qualifying lap times) is say for example if a lap is completed with 50 seconds, then the cut off would be 55 seconds. Now if I've misunderstood that, no dramas, but I think you know what I was getting at. If you don't then no problems either, Rossi (and anyone currently competing or has competed in the premier class) has as you so cutely put it 'OMG! awesome' abilities. To say otherwise shows total ignorance of what it takes to get to the top of MotoGP.

[wysper]

The Ducati move has certainly removed a lot of Rossi's aura I reckon. Bit Like Tiger Woods when he got caught out.

I tend to agree Crasher. Shame really. When you are at the top, there is usually only one way to go. Especially as you age. Just ask the likes of Sampras and Federer in tennis or any outstanding athlete in their field. Made even more tricky when it is a team sport like motorsport is.

[ducatilover]

But... they're all great riders...

You lot bitch too much about nothing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But... they're all great riders...

You lot bitch too much about nothing.

We're all just jealous is all. Fair enough too.

[ducatilover]

We're all just jealous is all. Fair enough too.

I suppose, I'm a little jealous too. They get to use tyre warmers!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I suppose, I'm a little jealous too. They get to use tyre warmers!

I've never used 'em in my life. Makes things very interesting at first.

[ducatilover]

I've never used 'em in my life. Makes things very interesting at first.

I usually just hug my tyres (then cry because I'm about to ride and that means I'm going to die)

[Swoop]

To say otherwise shows total ignorance of what it takes to get to the top of MotoGP.
:niceone:
Yup. Even the slowest around the GP have exceptional skills.

[tigertim20]

So he has set a new lap record? 110% means he has exceeded the previous setting.
On a Ducati?

Yes, he certainly has abilities.
:facepalm:
best you recheck that.
if the lap record is 1 minute, then 110% of 1 minute would be 1 minute, 6 seconds.
110 being greater than 100.
a new lap record would mean getting around in 90% of the previous lap record (54 seconds)

[Swoop]

if the lap record is 1 minute, then 110% of 1 minute would be 1 minute, 6 seconds.
110 being greater than 100.
That's what I thought.:scratch:

[SimJen]

anyone able to ride within a few seconds of lap record pace is a legend, thats what Onearmedbandit is getting at!
We'd all be at least 30 seconds off the pace if not more!