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Enn
8th March 2006, 18:38
I've got a 1981 BMW R100RS. The gearbox is 'clanking' when it's hot, goes away when I pull in the clutch and is noticeably getting worse. I'm hoping that someone on this forum can offer me some advice, and perhaps recommend a mechanic with specific experience with BMW's. As I live in the South Island, someone not too far away would be good. (I'm starting to look like my avatar!)

Cheers, Enn

Paul in NZ
8th March 2006, 19:37
You would have to ask someone more expert on BMW's but.... They have a certain reputation regarding gearbox's.. And it's not for endless reliability.. Bearings from memory.

I'd ring your nearest BMW dealer, I'll bet they have done a bunch of em..

Paul N

dangerous
8th March 2006, 20:22
Contact beemer89 hes just done his gear box up after blowing the arse out of it, he might be able to help.

rudolph
8th March 2006, 23:00
My old R90 got a bit clunkey when taking up drive then snaped all the flywheel bolts and bent the exhaust vealvs:Oops:

Motu
8th March 2006, 23:17
The dreaded spline problem.

Where's Milky??

Posh Tourer :P
8th March 2006, 23:23
Splines (I assume you mean crown wheel) wouldn't be this. That is clanking and snatch on take off. Unless they are razor sharp maybe. Take the back wheel out and check how thick the drive splines are.
Other than that Milky'd have to consult.
Where in the SI are you?

Motu
9th March 2006, 00:00
I was thinking clutch splines Maarten.

Ixion
9th March 2006, 02:34
Eeek. Eeek.Eeek. Runs and hides. BMW gearboxes are always crap.s yours more crap than average? If so its the big strip down. Oh shit (sorry I'm pissed I'll post something more coherent 2mrw)

Enn
9th March 2006, 19:31
Ok, here goes, Bikes got 70,000 km on the clock, clutch works fine, takes up progressivly as the clutch is let out, no snatching or grabbing...
Few rumbles in the gearbox ,as it warms up starts to ''nack'' (nackered!)
Used a bit o wood as a stethiscope and can hear ''the nack- clack- noise the best arount the rear clutch rod boss...
hard to tell if it is coming from the front.....
No nastys in the oil small amount of grey fuzz on the magnetic bung , no feelable lumps or wires....
Havent checked the rear drive splines, but had a new rear tyrer fitted (cycle treads) and the chap did not say anything about it, but i gotta check any way...
So got a maintainance go over to do any way so nows the time.....
Ready for lotsa rides ... when i get time.

thanks all for the advise, it is appreciated.
Found a good BMW site www.motoren-israel.de or siebenrock lotsa BMW go goodies, makes ya want to do a lot of overtime tho......

Enn
9th March 2006, 19:35
Oh yeah i forgot to mention im in Greymouth sunshine capital of the coast......:niceone:

Kiwi
10th March 2006, 08:29
Hi
try an other gear box oil - Castrol MTX 75W 140 - works in my R100GS pretty good

cheers
Kiwi

Milky
10th March 2006, 21:32
not too sure on the getting worse thing, but i hear that the pushrod for the clutch sits nside the hollow input shaft on the gearbox, and this often makes clicky noises as it rattles around in there when the clutch is not pulled in. Obviously goes away when the clutch is pulled in as there is force on the rod. 'tis possible that this is the noise that you are hearing. There is an adjuster on the lever on the back of the gearbox afaik, and re-setting this to give the right offset/movement range to the clutch is a possible solution. Is the noise just in neutral, or when in gear as well?

On the oil thing - EP90. Works a treat, and shouldnt be the cause of any troubles in that department

Enn
10th March 2006, 23:42
[. Is the noise just in neutral, or when in gear as well?

On the oil thing - EP90. Works a treat, and shouldnt be the cause of any troubles in that department[/QUOTE]


In neutral as well as in gear .. i think.. i get back to you on that one..
Thanks..:blink:

Enn
13th March 2006, 23:51
Ok put the bike on the centre stand and proped the rear wheel up, ran through the gears few rumbles but no clacking, only in neutral
Adjusted the clutch no change.
noted that the 'noise' stopped when the clutch lever on the g'box was 3/4 in towards th g'box.

Well heres an update,
Spent a couple of hours on the net and in paticular the ''airhead'' list & came up with a few replys on the same problem..... consensus was that 'it is normal for bmw r bikes to have this noise' & that the later models with the lighter flywheel and clutch assembly were the worst, bad carb sync makes it a lot louder.......also a clutch spline lube needed symptom.
So looks like ive got a bit of maintainance to be doing to eliminate some probable causes....worth checking out before ya start shelling out big bikkies for a g'box overhaul.. gives me hope yet!

Paul in NZ
14th March 2006, 09:06
OK.. I'll have a go at a sensible reply.

You did the right thing by getting on the airheads list. Someone there will be able to give you a more accurate diagnosis because I know shit all about BMW's other than I'd quite like an R90S.

If you look at my Moto Guzzi, it's roughly similar (except better looking and the owners are sexier) in this regard. Getting the carbs snyched is vital to achieving a decent ride. Naturally, being Italian the carbs have other ideas and in fact possesed by demons, always on a break, half pissed or trying to shag the battery.

When the bike is idling, the slightly uneven power pulses will cause all sorts of clanking and clonking in the drive train. Moto Guzzis have a flywheel that could be used on a mack truck in an effort to damp some of this out but it remains and is amplified IF the carbs are not right at idle.

This is especially true on older Moto Guzzis with shallow spline clutches (like mine) where everything tends to rattle about a bit.

Pulling the cluch handlebar lever in at idle will make a lot of this noise go away but will substitute a new noise (the intermeadiate plate rattling on the splines). This is pretty normal for bikes with dry clutches. A Ducati with a dry clutch sounds like a lawn mower sweeping up at a bolt factory after and earthquake.

Running the bike in gear on the main stand is not a good thing (on a Guzzi) as the drive shaft is at an extreme angle and often the cardan joint (U/J) will bang on the housing. Even if it doesn't, running the wheel without a load often makes some funny noises. Not so bad on older models with 5 dog gears but the later ones with 3 dogs can have a lot of back lash in the drive train and sound terminal in this situation.

OK.. So you expect noises, but how much is normal? Well thats hard (read impossible) for us to judge on the internet.

My plan would be to change the gearbox oil AND the rear drive oil into a clean container (like an ice cream one) and check for any debris. Bit's of hardening, bearing etc. If it's clean, bung in some fresh oil (of the recommended type) and then check your universal joint for wear. If thats OK, ride it carefully for a bit.

If the noises get any worse, pull the wretched thing out and get it rebuilt. It's a LOT cheaper to do this early than late.

Hope this helps.

Enn
14th March 2006, 17:42
Thanks for that Paul,
Well i will get into doing the spline lube and tune, swing arm bearings etc as i get time.... had changed the g'box oil diff and drive shaft 2000km ago, only thing that i noticed was the drive shaft oil level low.
No nastys in the g'box magnetic bung just grey paste and not much of that....

So i will update when i have done this.....:soon:

About 700 odd euros for a rebuilt box from germany plus freight....

Heres hoping that the nz dollar goes up up up some time soon !!!!

Thanks for the input all:headbang:

Paul in NZ
14th March 2006, 17:50
Hi

I'll ask around but I don't think a 'box rebuild is that much of a biggie as long as you get to it early. Usually just bearings.

You should be able to do it here in NZ easy. Most BMW outfits will have done lots of them as BMW gear boxs are not too flash...

Paul N

ps - I parked my shitty old Guzzi one day near a BMW riders throng and had one pillock come up to me and start going on about dodgy italian bikes.. He was a nice enough chap and we got chatting. Turns out he had 2 gear box rebuilds and a rear end overhaul in 20,000km (must have been something seriously wrong there) and then he told me.. Actually, I quite fancy a Moto Guzzi but I really need the utter dependability of my BMW.... I was so amazed I quite forgot to laugh!

Ixion
14th March 2006, 17:56
Bet it was an early R1100 ?

BEAMER89
14th March 2006, 18:15
Great to hear u have hopefuly found the problem ENN,Look forward to hear how it goes after a bit of maintiance work.
Good luck & keep us posted.:banana:

Paul in NZ
14th March 2006, 19:20
Bet it was an early R1100 ?

hell.. I dunno it wus a beemer and he had all the beemer rider stuff too... They all look the same to us foreigners...

Posh Tourer :P
15th March 2006, 21:41
Hi

I'll ask around but I don't think a 'box rebuild is that much of a biggie as long as you get to it early. Usually just bearings.

You should be able to do it here in NZ easy. Most BMW outfits will have done lots of them as BMW gear boxs are not too flash...

Paul N

Get a hold of Milky and see what can be done..... Itīd mean sending to Auckland, but it might be cheaper than a bike shop.

Milky
16th March 2006, 22:23
If you need it, we should be able to do a second hand box for about 800-1000 to wherever tai poutini is.

Enn
17th March 2006, 15:29
If you need it, we should be able to do a second hand box for about 800-1000 to wherever tai poutini is.


Hey there Milky, Tai Poutini is good ole Greymouth , West Coast , South Island.
If i end up needing a gear box i will get in touch with you.

I must say i would be surprised if it is buggered, as the milage is pretty low (68,000km) overall condition makes me belive that it is genuine.
Had 2 owners before me and the first owner who had it longest (50.000k odd) was the president of the bmw club in Aussie .

will try to see if i can work this attachment thing and post a pic to this post..

Mmm cant seem to upload. file may be too big and i dont know how to shrink it. or ive attached to many!

Falconer
28th May 2006, 22:27
The previous owner had it fail a warrent because of noisy gearbox. I hauled out the gearbox and gave it to a friend that likes fixing these things. He replaced all the bearings quite cheap, but for one that is a special, and so worth hundreds. That was at about 65000 ks and has just turned over 100000 ks. Easy to remove gearbox but time consuming because so much has to be removed.

Enn
14th October 2006, 12:03
Well finally got the box out, a lot easer job than it appeared to be,turns out that the clutch plate worn out and the pressure plate worn tapered, so a new one of those please around $600, took the box to canterbury rides bmw agent in chch about $500 to re bearing plus seals if nothing buggered inside. replacing the oil pump cover seal behind the clutch carrier/flywheel and checking the rear main seal while in there, noticed that the input spline had some wear but not to bad thank god, only the wear was not concentric with the shaft.
So will update when i get it back and all will be great hope fully.
Next on the list is to pull the heads and get the exhaust seats replaced with unleaded ones new guides modified with teflon lipped guide seals, hills performance engineering in chch.
mmm r90s dellorto carbs, and a 2 into 2 exhaust reverse megaphone mufflers... on the wish list at the moment, that should keep me busy...
then ridin!
Anyone going to the street racing in greymouth? bring ya earplugs...:2thumbsup