What mods have you guys done for more lean angle/better ground clearance?

[racefactory]

Don't you guys find these things are terrible as far as ground clearance goes? You can't get any lean angle past 45 degrees without highsiding off from scraping the peg. I've only got zhongya tyres but i feel they are WAY capable enough for these bikes, you can easilly pull a full lean angle with front brake on and it is miles from running out of leaning grip, stable as anything at full lean. I reckon zhongyas alone feel like they got probably 55 degrees or so lean angle, who agrees?


It's not good when your banking it over full tilt on a fast corner and you touch the hard solid peg on the ground and the back kicks out and wiggles threatening to spit you over the side of the bike!!! I think everyone knows what i'm talking about here lol!

These bikes are cramped for room already, i wonder if it would be possible to have a still REASONABLY comfortable bike with 55 degree lean angle possible?


I'd be interested to know what mods you guys have done for more lean angle.

I can't see it being possible to have enough clearance to lean far enough to run out of lean due to traction, especially with Sava's or something

[Marmoot]

I'd be interested to know what mods you guys have done for more lean angle.

Bigger gonads.

That, or brain reduction.

And for your question, first generation R6 is capable of 57 degrees lean angle.

[Taz]

I cut my feet off and can lean a bit further now.

[BigAl]

Shortest possible pegs at 65mms, allowing knees to slide.
Don't know what lean angle but quite often have both Savas sliding and knee holding it up, great fun:cool:

[racefactory]

Bigger gonads.

That, or brain reduction.

And for your question, first generation R6 is capable of 57 degrees lean angle.

You do realise we are talking about mini bikes here right?

[CookMySock]

Shorten the pegs and put your body weight out rather than the bikes' weight - slide your arse out and put your shoulders out.

Steve

[driftn]

Hang off it.

[Marmoot]

You do realise we are talking about mini bikes here right?


i wonder if it would be possible to have a still REASONABLY comfortable bike with 55 degree lean angle possible?


ahem?.....

[FROSTY]

There is actually an inter college mini bike thingee run every year. The guys that won seemed to go for longer frames to fit a normal person--either that or use a kid to race
I do need to ask though --do you want more lean angle because you need it or because your ego demands it?
why not change your line so you dont need more than 45 degrees?

[racefactory]

Hi there,

I like to have more because it always makes you nervous when you know your cm's away from high side or kicking back end out.

The fact is the tyres can handle a lot more, why not give it more.

Yes of course i am leaning off the bike, shoulders, head down and out etc, i just feel there is a lot more in the tyres.

[DELLORTO]

There is actually an inter college mini bike thingee run every year. The guys that won seemed to go for longer frames to fit a normal person--either that or use a kid to race
I do need to ask though --do you want more lean angle because you need it or because your ego demands it?
why not change your line so you dont need more than 45 degrees?

if we had a inter college minimtot race that would be awsome!!

id win too easily though......so would connor

[FROSTY]

if we had a inter college minimtot race that would be awsome!!

id win too easily though......so would connor
Dude--seriously you need to talk to your engineering teacher. It happpens once a year at Manfeild

[CookMySock]

I do need to ask though --do you want more lean angle because you need it or because your ego demands it? why not change your line so you dont need more than 45 degrees?Uh, have you not seen these guys race? It's pretty intense, especially the watercooled bikes.

Steve

[DELLORTO]

heres a picture of me leaning!

{im on the blue bike with the silver helmet} this is as low as you caN GO!!!!!!

[CookMySock]

heres a picture of me leaning! {im on the blue bike with the silver helmet} this is as low as you caN GO!!!!!!Take a ruler and place it on this picture, through the centreline of your front tyre and up through the triple tree, and through your shoulders and helmet.. Oops! It doesn't go through your helmet does it? Your body mass is outside the centerline of the bike - it should be inside.

Do the same ruler thing on the guy in front of you. See his weight is toward the inside of the corner, not the outside? That is why he is in front of you.

You are leaning the wrong way bud - that's why you are scraping stuff - you are sitting up and pushing the bike down. As you approach the corner hang your arse off the inside (of the corner) of the seat, hold pressure on the opposite bar, put your shoulder out, and LEAVE IT OUT, and then take the corner. Art and science combine!

Steve

[DELLORTO]

Take a ruler and place it on this picture, through the centreline of your front tyre and up through the triple tree, and through your shoulders and helmet.. Oops! It doesn't go through your helmet does it? Your body mass is outside the centerline of the bike - it should be inside.

Do the same ruler thing on the guy in front of you. See his weight is toward the inside of the corner, not the outside? That is why he is in front of you.

You are leaning the wrong way bud - that's why you are scraping stuff - you are sitting up and pushing the bike down. As you approach the corner hang your arse off the inside (of the corner) of the seat, hold pressure on the opposite bar, put your shoulder out, and LEAVE IT OUT, and then take the corner. Art and science combine!

Steve

....the guy in front of me is peter van....hes an ex 125gp champion......hes on a 7hp bike and im on 5hp......and i was right up his arse the whole time.....im not exactualy new to the sport i know how to corner......

[imdying]

heres a picture of me leaning!

{im on the blue bike with the silver helmet} this is as low as you caN GO!!!!!!Have you considered leaning into the corner instead of away from it? The bike is as low as it can go, but it looks like you could go a lot lower, which means to get around the corner at the same speed, you won't have to lean the bike as much.

Or does that not apply to minimotos?

[Morcs]

Do these bikes have rear monoshocks?
If they do, just make up a spacer/raiser for the rear shock. Even a couple of mm would make a difference.

[Fatjim]

Mate, do you have enough room/flex to be able to get your elbow down as well?

[Gadgit]

....the guy in front of me is peter van....hes an ex 125gp champion......hes on a 7hp bike and im on 5hp......and i was right up his arse the whole time.....im not exactualy new to the sport i know how to corner......

Power to weight Max ... thats why your right up behind him. Same reason we dont race senior with Junior classes... When a lifetime rider with alot more years under his belt trys to give you help with your riding style to make you go faster then you should take it... not atemped to shoot him down with two years racing minimoto under ya belt... I'v been racing for 5 years and am happy to receve construtive comments like DB offered you.

[Gadgit]

Do these bikes have rear monoshocks?
If they do, just make up a spacer/raiser for the rear shock. Even a couple of mm would make a difference.

No suspension man... All fixed

[CookMySock]

Do these bikes have rear monoshocks?
If they do, just make up a spacer/raiser for the rear shock. Even a couple of mm would make a difference.They have no suspension what so ever. :no:

If you are prepared to look like a total newbie for an hour (seriously, I'm not joking! these things are not like road bikes), turn up on practice day with your road gear on and show some interest, and ask for a ride. They are crazy-stupid to ride, especially the watercooled open-class bikes. (be ready with the back brake when the front comes up.) Yes, when, not if.

Steve

[imdying]

Mate, do you have enough room/flex to be able to get your elbow down as well?Yup, I've down donuts round a road cone, with the cone tucked into my knee, and my shin, boot, knee all scraping. I kept falling off whilst trying to get my elbow down, but I reckon that someone could do it.

[Tone165]

Don't you guys find these things are terrible as far as ground clearance goes? You can't get any lean angle past 45 degrees without highsiding off from scraping the peg. I've only got zhongya tyres but i feel they are WAY capable enough for these bikes, you can easilly pull a full lean angle with front brake on and it is miles from running out of leaning grip, stable as anything at full lean. I reckon zhongyas alone feel like they got probably 55 degrees or so lean angle, who agrees?


It's not good when your banking it over full tilt on a fast corner and you touch the hard solid peg on the ground and the back kicks out and wiggles threatening to spit you over the side of the bike!!! I think everyone knows what i'm talking about here lol!

These bikes are cramped for room already, i wonder if it would be possible to have a still REASONABLY comfortable bike with 55 degree lean angle possible?


I'd be interested to know what mods you guys have done for more lean angle.

I can't see it being possible to have enough clearance to lean far enough to run out of lean due to traction, especially with Sava's or something

Buy a Harley!!!!!

Sarcasm does not fly too good in text, but you ARE taking the piss right?????

Ooops!

That'll learn me for not reading the whole thread!!!!!!!

[chelseapar]

why you ride thi scooter. very small motorcycle. you not like fast? look baeutiful most though. can ride on road in NZ?

[DELLORTO]

Power to weight Max ... thats why your right up behind him. Same reason we dont race senior with Junior classes... When a lifetime rider with alot more years under his belt trys to give you help with your riding style to make you go faster then you should take it... not atemped to shoot him down with two years racing minimoto under ya belt... I'v been racing for 5 years and am happy to receve construtive comments like DB offered you.

ive actualy been riding 3 years :shit: i had a pocket rocket :Punk:

ive done
*13 mt wellington race meetings
*2 silverdale race meetings
*4 taumaranui race meetings
*1 hawkes bay meeting

and alot of street riding.....i dont mind people giving me tips when their better riders than me, but when someone is less expirenced than me i dont feel i have to listen..........i havnt been around motorbikes in just the last few years......i do motorcross and now i also do bucket bike racing...and before all that i did goped racing back in 2005 & 2006 and early 2007......

[orange]

And we are all slow and would get our arse kicked if we raced in Itlay. hands down

[DELLORTO]

And we are all slow and would get our arse kicked if we raced in Itlay. hands down

amen!!! :laugh:

[BigAl]

And we are all slow and would get our arse kicked if we raced in Itlay. hands down
I don't know about that Orange, they aren't very fast in Venice:oi-grr:

[DELLORTO]

why you ride thi scooter. very small motorcycle. you not like fast? look baeutiful most though. can ride on road in NZ?

go back to crazyville!! :crazy:

p.s: WE ALL KNOW YOUR NOT AN ASIAN!

[BigAl]

ive actualy been riding 3 years :shit: i had a pocket rocket :Punk:

ive done
*13 mt wellington race meetings
*2 silverdale race meetings
*4 taumaranui race meetings
*1 hawkes bay meeting

and alot of street riding.....etc
Gee you are very experienced:confused:

[DELLORTO]

Gee you are very experienced:confused:

is that sarcasim i sense alan??

[orange]

talking about the boys in the two itlay championships

[racefactory]

Buy a Harley!!!!!

Sarcasm does not fly too good in text, but you ARE taking the piss right?????

Ooops!

That'll learn me for not reading the whole thread!!!!!!!


Sorry, what? No of course i'm not.

I race on a pretty dark and smooth surface, very grippy, get's very hot in sun. I've seen the mt wellington kart track in person and i think it probably wouldn't have quite as much grip, especially the sweeping turn onto the start/finish line, that's pretty bumpy! So on a hot day honestly there is an absolute ton of grip available... and the bike feels like it could turn so much faster if it had that more clearance. I mean turning as hard as you can, it's steady, front end is far from being pushed, feels like lot's more room for some more turning force, even on zhongyas.


The thread was really supposed to be quite simple, what experience have people had in extracting more clearance out of these things. I guess people haven't really felt the need to? I was just wondering. :niceone:

I have since the time of this thread modified my pegs a bit which is certainly giving me more confidence to bank it over more, but still i feel there is a lot more speed in the machines turning. Will have to learn how to weld i guess!