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Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 14:12
Yay, the time is here to start looking for a new bike....

Atm still not too rich, sitting on about 2 grand that I'm willing to spend, but that should be going up still.

What i'm really after is a nice 250 4 cylinder, or a 250 2 stroke that won't break down in the next 5000km.

things I've seen so far (note, some of these I probably wouldn't even get)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213775057.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213230647.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=211689878 - going in a few minutes

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=208798441

Magua
19th April 2009, 14:27
I'd stay away from that across.
http://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=36tjz&search=Check

Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 14:29
yeah, judging frmo the comments it looked really dodgy, just included it cause a mate sent me a link to it

Ragingrob
19th April 2009, 14:32
All those bar the zxr seem to have a decent bit of work to do and may be the kinda bikes that will give you constant trouble. But $2k I'd say you would be pretty stretched to find a decent il4 or 2-stroke! You would probably end up spending more on repairs etc than if you saved up a bit more and could find something a bit more decent.

xwhatsit
19th April 2009, 14:38
The NSR250 has a problem oiling sparkplugs, and the owner doesn't know why. The NS250R has had the ignition removed and hardwired, also missing indicators.

Why not a nice four stroke twin? There's some fairly rapid ones out there and your criteria is `reliable' after all. ZXR250 would be good but it's going to go for decent money, they don't really go for cheap any more.

Ragingrob
19th April 2009, 14:40
From a quick squiz -

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213049200.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213421931.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-212959152.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-212454579.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213233352.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213247593.htm

Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 14:49
All those bar the zxr seem to have a decent bit of work to do and may be the kinda bikes that will give you constant trouble. But $2k I'd say you would be pretty stretched to find a decent il4 or 2-stroke! You would probably end up spending more on repairs etc than if you saved up a bit more and could find something a bit more decent.

Thats why I'm not in such a hurry to really buy one.

Not to mention if I do get a 2-stroke I know that its gonna cost me a ton in repairs in not too long.

Would really like that CBR 1992

the nsr you linked looked a little, well, done for K's. If its sitting at about 45k on a 2 stroke it probably needs a full rebuild soon

Slyer
19th April 2009, 15:07
Go for a niiiice 2 cylinder.

And crap Rob! Those are all sweet deals.
Gotta love the hard times eh. :bleh: Bikes going cheeeap second hand.

Magua
19th April 2009, 15:11
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213653574.htm

That could be interesting, depending on what state the motor's in.

motorbyclist
19th April 2009, 15:35
wow, i'm impressed that that across got round the clock - mine barely made it to 30k!

do consider the rate at which a zxr eats cam chains/tensioners...

I'm fairly suspicious of teh FZR - there are too few of them and the few i have seen have had problems, so maybe they simply don't last but either way parts aren't going to be easy


TIf its sitting at about 45k on a 2 stroke it probably needs a full rebuild soon

you cleearly don't understand these 2 strokes: it will have already had several rebuilds to get this far so what concerns us is what has been replaced and how recently - and if it was replaced pre-emptively or after it went bang

likewise that guy who always gums up his plugs may not realise there is going to be an easy fix for this, possibly just riding it correctly, but there is bound to be other issues he's unaware of.

so considering all that and the reputation these things can carry, perhaps a 2 stroke isn't the best idea... unless of course you enjoy riding the bus to and from uni.


and a final note - bikes in napier are a bit difficult to view, and there's nothing wrong with a 2 cylinder; at $2k a decent IL4 is really wishful thinking

Ixion
19th April 2009, 15:49
Steer clear of the two smokers. Luvs them we does :love: but you need deep pockets.

Realistically, you are looking for a high performance two stroke in reasonable nick for $2k. Just join the line, the one over there that goes out the door round the corner and half way round the world.


What about this . (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213754623.htm)

Rough, but honest rough, and rego can be livened up cos it's less than a year out of date

Or this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213464031.htm). Boring but honest

motorbyclist
19th April 2009, 15:52
i wouldn't even touch that FZR... and the gpx looks like work, though it surely can't me much worse than sam's one!

or this (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-206367727.htm)

the guy is clearly an ultimate noob not only for the chain but also for thinking a car is a good choice for uni (obviously has more money than sense), so it may have some obvious fault.

get in quick

Slyer
19th April 2009, 16:18
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-213049200.htm
Freaking perfect!

Squiggles
19th April 2009, 16:44
RGV>NSR
Sam's CBR or a lower offer on the FXR me thinks

But you might be better off with a bike that suits taller people :msn-wink:

motorbyclist
19th April 2009, 16:50
Sam's CBR

now be fair, rob found it first ;)

knocking that fxr down to 2k or lower goes without saying, and the cbr needs a kinda KB mechanic to check it out for us and then an airfare down there plus petrol to get it home

cbr will probably be better suited for you needs

Danae
19th April 2009, 17:16
@Andrew: That's the FXR I was looking at. :eek: Won't be able to get it before it expires.

Slyer
19th April 2009, 17:53
Resist the temptation to get an fxr.
You'll be much happier with a nice 250 twin or 4 in the long run. (And it will be a long run)

Squiggles
19th April 2009, 18:49
Resist the temptation to get an fxr.
You'll be much happier with a nice 250 twin or 4 in the long run. (And it will be a long run)

Justify this statement. Then go out and fix your bike :buggerd:

Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 19:45
Yeah, quite like Rob's cbr, though at this point it'll probably be gone too soon for me to be able to afford it easily.

As for looking for a 4 cylinder/2stroke at 2k thats still in working condition, yeah, its wishful thinking, but never hurts to hope now does it.

The fxr does look rather nice, the only thing I'd be concerned about is what it would be like over the bridge, being light and not that powerful, might try to get a ride on Ross's fxr to see what its like

Ragingrob
19th April 2009, 19:51
I rode an FXR from Fielding to Auckland, wasn't too bad once you get used to the mirrors and seat. All good with the speedo measuring high, thought I was going super fast! Andrew boosts around on the FXR when he wants to also and I think he loves it haha!

Phurrball
19th April 2009, 20:01
Resist the temptation to get an fxr.
You'll be much happier with a nice 250 twin or 4 in the long run. (And it will be a long run)

Pish. An FXR is irresistible :rofl:

In hindsight, an FXR would have been a better first bike for me than a Bandit 250 (Luckily, my Bandit was mint and never suffered mechanical issues - though it was fekking GREEDY). The Bandit was a tough learning curve initially (I learned this after INgrid got the FXR)

You learn to live with the lack of power. I still have a ball on ours - even after a VTR1000 and VFR800.

In the price range at issue, an FXR would have to be close to top of the pile for reliability and value. You won't loose on a good FXR when it comes sale time. All the savings on repairs and running could be banked and put towards an 'intermediate' bike after a year or so.

FXR:
Owns corners (with good tyres)
Gets better than 30km/l
Only requires ~1L of oil at each change
Reliable. (Unless it's EJ's one :Pokey:)

IL4s:
Too many moving bits to break unless well maintained = possible expensive repairs.
(Well maintained IL4 250s exist I'm sure, but are rare)
Possibly greedy.
Questionable reliability.

Nothing wrong with twins, as long as they're not too old/abused.
A VTR250/newish Ninja would be great, but probably too pricey.

ital916
19th April 2009, 20:08
Resist the temptation to get an fxr.
You'll be much happier with a nice 250 twin or 4 in the long run. (And it will be a long run)

idiot.

Danae, like we discussed at the chiller, the fxr is a beautiful little beast. It will suit you fine and wont cost you an arm and a leg to run which is perfect as a student.

They can go quick *andrew has proved that*, youll love it.

Mini tls they are.

Ragingrob
19th April 2009, 20:18
idiot.

Danae, like we discussed at the chiller, the fxr is a beautiful little beast. It will suit you fine and wont cost you an arm and a leg to run which is perfect as a student.

They can go quick *andrew has proved that*, youll love it.

Mini tls they are.

I didn't know Real Wolf's name was Danae! :shit:

Danae
19th April 2009, 20:25
Nono, my name is Danae :lol:

An FXR sounds like a solid investment. If you get the $2,200 one, by the time I've got a job and saved up some money you'll be looking to sell it and I can buy it off you. XD

Squiggles
19th April 2009, 20:25
As for looking for a 4 cylinder/2stroke at 2k thats still in working condition, yeah, its wishful thinking, but never hurts to hope now does it.

Can you live with a naked bike?

macros87
19th April 2009, 21:50
Can you live with a naked bike?

you mean the cbr that looks like it was crashed and "street fightered/ naked"? well looking at the photos it looks like the spent all the time and money necessary to get it on the road again, as opposed to "i just took the scratched fairing off" was i looking for an inline four i would at least go have a look at it..

Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 22:06
I could live with a naked bike, as long as it doesn't look horrible.

I suppose i'd prefer fairings, partly cause of the harbour bridge and partly because I like the look more.

That cbr doesn't look that nice though, cosmetically. It might be in good nic but it doesn't look "awesome".

Heh Danae, I would have basically a year on the bike before I could get my full, then its whether I want to sell it or not.

Squiggles
19th April 2009, 22:06
you mean the cbr that looks like it was crashed and "street fightered/ naked"? well looking at the photos it looks like the spent all the time and money necessary to get it on the road again, as opposed to "i just took the scratched fairing off" was i looking for an inline four i would at least go have a look at it..

Nah i mean something like a CBF250 or Bandit

Slyer
19th April 2009, 22:22
idiot.

Danae, like we discussed at the chiller, the fxr is a beautiful little beast. It will suit you fine and wont cost you an arm and a leg to run which is perfect as a student.

They can go quick *andrew has proved that*, youll love it.

Mini tls they are.
Sorry, was going off my experience with EJ's fxr, I rode it from westgate to albany. Then again his was probably more horrible than most!
So happy to get back on the GPX :bleh:

Real_Wolf
19th April 2009, 22:33
well, beyond the fact that my mate has a bandit (large part of the reason for wanting an inline 4) I wouldn't mind a naked bike.

macros87
19th April 2009, 23:53
I suppose i'd prefer fairings, partly cause of the harbour bridge and partly because I like the look more.



if im wrong about this ignore me as a rambling idiot but its my understanding that fairings are good for cutting thru wind, but that they are more affected by wind coming at it from the side than a naked would be, incidentally wouldn't that make a naked more suitable for the bridge?

PirateJafa
20th April 2009, 00:00
Any >100cc bike can do the Harbour Bridge, don't be stupid.

xwhatsit
20th April 2009, 00:56
You don't want fairings on the Harbour Bridge, what you want is a naked which weighs a tonne.

So either a GSX1400 or... an XS250...? I've heard they're nice :lol:

Ragingrob
20th April 2009, 03:00
A cross-wind nails faired bikes :yes:

ital916
20th April 2009, 07:39
A cross-wind nails faired bikes :yes:

meh, hitch up the revs, knees against the tank and enjoy the ride....woohoo, i love riding in wind.

Squiggles
20th April 2009, 08:08
If you want an inline 4 with no fairings, as well as all the bits listed in the first post, you're going to have to be a bit more realistic with the budget...

macros87
20th April 2009, 12:14
Any >100cc bike can do the Harbour Bridge, don't be stupid.

no ofcourse, any bike will do it! i know someone who got over it on an 80 cc scooter, my point was that if we are gona be pedantic about it then the naked would be more suitable cos as rob says :


A cross-wind nails faired bikes :yes:


If you want an inline 4 with no fairings, as well as all the bits listed in the first post, you're going to have to be a bit more realistic with the budget...

now now i wasnt going to say anything at all, i figured he was gona reach that conclusion by himself anyway, i mean after one failed bike purchase doubt he would just jump the gun again

Phurrball
20th April 2009, 18:10
Sorry, was going off my experience with EJ's fxr, I rode it from westgate to albany. Then again his was probably more horrible than most!
So happy to get back on the GPX :bleh:

EJ's FXR is NOT a good example of the genre!!! A non knackered FXR is funtimes.

Slyer
20th April 2009, 19:28
It shall retract my statement until a time that I have ridden a Phurrball approved FXR. ;)

motorbyclist
20th April 2009, 21:47
and do keep in mind EJ's FXR is the perfect example of how NOT to run a bike, and how NOT to repair a bike.

many people were genuinely surprised it hadn't seized after the petrol-replacing-oil incident, and no doubt there had been some considerable engine damage.... and THEN there's the state of the thing and the dodgy carb from a 250

so really if anything, EJ's fxr was/is a true testament to the ultimate reliability of the mighty FXR150 (and lets not forget how well ross is doing on his and the performance i squeezed out of mine)

xwhatsit
21st April 2009, 01:25
the dodgy carb from a 250
Dodgy carb! Pffft! Better carb than the original and in better nick, too.

A very good carb once EJ had stopped pulling it to pieces to cut up gaskets and `tune' it :pinch:

There was nothing really wrong with the bike, nothing a sensible owner couldn't have sorted over a few weekends.

vindy500
21st April 2009, 01:48
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=214076014

make me the right offer >$2k and i might deliver it

motorbyclist
22nd April 2009, 00:58
There was nothing really wrong with the bike, nothing a sensible owner couldn't have sorted over a few weekends.

and such is the awesomeness of the FXR

Magua
22nd April 2009, 11:13
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=214076014

make me the right offer >$2k and i might deliver it

Stanley eh? I thought all bikes were female.

xwhatsit
22nd April 2009, 11:34
Stanley eh? I thought all bikes were female.
Only Hondas. Kawasakis lean a bit the other way.

Real_Wolf
28th April 2009, 02:01
Heres a list of a bunch of bikes seen.

Note, not all of them are what I would actually buy, its merely a list of things I might be interested in (as haven't checked them out too seriously).

First, a nice gsx 250F, owner says he might take a lower price, what do you guys think?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=213346806

This one is looking for about 2500
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=215077401

This one wants a 'fair price' so not sure
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=213745350

Then heres a list of more bikes I haven't checked out quite as closely
fxr150
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=215429349
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=209509937
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=215246445
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=206367727

gsx250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=213680496

zxr250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=213775057

cbr250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=196244327

CBF250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=214465752

GSF250 (bandit)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=214819911

xwhatsit
28th April 2009, 09:44
CBF250
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=214465752
Although it would be a very sensible bike for you to get, I think given the company of the other bikes you're nominating you'd be sorely disappointed. CBF250 has GN250 sort of performance; despite the sporty looks it's much slower and heavier than an ancient CB200, CB250RS or CBX250. You'd be up on the XS250 but not by far. It's a Brazilian-market commuter.

If you're considering things like FXR150s, at least look at GSX250 twins (not the GSXR multis) and GPX250/ZZR250s. Whilst the CBR250 lump is a very good one, and the ZXR250 almost as good (only let down by having a camchain instead of gears, which seems to wear out just after being sold on Trademe), anecdotally, the FZR and particularly the GSXR really don't last very long at all. I think the Bandit is somewhat detuned (the specs say it makes peak power at lower RPM anyway) so that may account for its comparable longevity.

I think the obsession with getting a `performance 250' for a cheap price will lead you to tears again. Remember that even a Scorpio would be a big leap in handling and acceleration compared to your old XS; it's pretty hard to go downhill w.r.t. that.

The Pastor
28th April 2009, 09:53
get an rg150, they power wheelie like nothing else :D

motorbyclist
28th April 2009, 17:52
If you're considering things like FXR150s, at least look at GSX250 twins (not the GSXR multis) and GPX250/ZZR250s. Whilst the CBR250 lump is a very good one, and the ZXR250 almost as good (only let down by having a camchain instead of gears, which seems to wear out just after being sold on Trademe), anecdotally, the FZR and particularly the GSXR really don't last very long at all. I think the Bandit is somewhat detuned (the specs say it makes peak power at lower RPM anyway) so that may account for its comparable longevity.

I think the obsession with getting a `performance 250' for a cheap price will lead you to tears again. Remember that even a Scorpio would be a big leap in handling and acceleration compared to your old XS; it's pretty hard to go downhill w.r.t. that.

he speaks the truth

though i'm yet to ride a cbf230 myself

Real_Wolf
28th April 2009, 19:15
nah, the performance 250 for a cheap price is not a 'patience' thing, where eventually I might get one.

We'll see how the fxr goes. Wouldn't mind looking at some nice twins, but would prefer not to have a kawasaki.

The fzr I wouldn't trust. The only fzr's I ever see for sale are fairly munted in some way

Ragingrob
28th April 2009, 19:20
nah, the performance 250 for a cheap price is not a 'patience' thing, where eventually I might get one.

We'll see how the fxr goes. Wouldn't mind looking at some nice twins, but would prefer not to have a kawasaki.

The fzr I wouldn't trust. The only fzr's I ever see for sale are fairly munted in some way

I reckon the gpx goes pretty well ay with not too many problems that I've seen.

FXR's are wicked little bikes but I still think that you'd be left wanted that extra power, not to mention a more comfortable seat.

gavjn
28th April 2009, 19:29
nah, the performance 250 for a cheap price is not a 'patience' thing, where eventually I might get one.

We'll see how the fxr goes. Wouldn't mind looking at some nice twins, but would prefer not to have a kawasaki.

The fzr I wouldn't trust. The only fzr's I ever see for sale are fairly munted in some way

fxr's r prety smal bikes depending on ur size... i sure as hell dont fit on them, and if i did i look lyk an absolute fool lol

when it comes down 2 it, its wateva feels best imo

Real_Wolf
28th April 2009, 22:59
yeah, Ross has kindly offered to let me test ride his fxr to see what its like. Not sure if I could do with the loss of power, but I'm sure I could fit on one fine.

Not too knowledgeable about the different vtwins that are available, honda have any besides the vtr? what would you guys say is the best vtwin

Ragingrob
28th April 2009, 23:08
Has the older VT250 lol. VTR definitely the best V-twin!

Phurrball
28th April 2009, 23:37
FXRs may be small, but they're not that small. Ours handles my 90+ kg and 176cm frame just fine.

I wouldn't want to tour on it, but round town, or on a twisty ride, it's a barrel of laughs. It is gutless below 8K rpm though, especially noticeable after a VTR250 (lets not even go there compared to a VFR800 :rofl:)

Don't expect swift acceleration or easy overtakes at open road speeds. It all adds up to a peverse kind of fun. Kinda like the original mini. Enjoy it for it's handling and feather weight and improbable economy of ownership.

Real_Wolf
29th April 2009, 00:07
heh.

VTR's are naked bikes though, (or do they have a fairing version?)

motorbyclist
29th April 2009, 00:13
i'm sure we could fit some fairings and clip ons given enough time and money....

Ragingrob
29th April 2009, 00:22
Just get a cbr, you know you wanna!

Phurrball
29th April 2009, 21:49
heh.

VTR's are naked bikes though, (or do they have a fairing version?)

Hmmm -

IMHO fairings are a mixed bag. A definite negative for newer riders.

Case in point: I've had 2 low speed altercations with 4 wheeled vehicles.

1st on a Bandit 250 (Naked). Bike required repairs, but was OK. ~3K total repair bill IIRC.

2nd on VTR1000 (Part faired). Bike didn't look too bad. Repair total was twice the value of the bike = $10K = a write off. Difference was in the bodywork. Damn I sorely miss that tatty red brute with its booming Yoshis :weep:

Naked handles minor crashes better. 250s don't really go so fast as to need bodywork. IMHO, I get less wind buffetting and wind roar on nakeds if the speeds are sane.

Lets not forget naked can be damned sexy too :blip:


Naked FTW!

Real_Wolf
30th April 2009, 00:11
oh, I wouldn't mind a naked, just prefer the looks of a fairing bike as the second bike

macros87
30th April 2009, 12:20
oh, I wouldn't mind a naked, just prefer the looks of a fairing bike as the second bike

to some people 3 or 4 grand are a lot of money, it was to me when i bought my bike, truth be told maybe i was better suited for a different bike, but i wasn't gona let myself spend all that money on a bike i didnt like the look of! buy something you are absolutely satisfied with if that means fairings, then wait till the right one comes around

Ragingrob
30th April 2009, 15:14
If you screw them up we'll just spray paint them outside Stephen's garage at 2am, that was fun!

Real_Wolf
30th April 2009, 18:45
If you screw them up we'll just spray paint them outside Stephen's garage at 2am, that was fun!

Yeah, now thats worrying. A few other nice bikes are on trademe, i'll post links soonish

Ragingrob
30th April 2009, 19:20
Yeah, now thats worrying. A few other nice bikes are on trademe, i'll post links soonish

Na you can make a spray paint of tiger on one side and fire on the other, it's really cool actually :lol:

macros87
30th April 2009, 19:39
Na you can make a spray paint of tiger on one side and fire on the other, it's really cool actually :lol:

him? i say smc respraying services are only offered under the condition that we get to choose whatever style color and pattern goes on it :)

PirateJafa
1st May 2009, 01:56
him? i say smc respraying services are only offered under the condition that we get to choose whatever style color and pattern goes on it :)
And that each side is different to the other side.

Hanne
1st May 2009, 06:06
Oh yes, if you market it correctly you are riding a one-off work of art! Raised the value of rob's bike, anyway :P

macros87
1st May 2009, 18:31
And that each side is different to the other side.

a plan has been formulated right then and there!


Oh yes, if you market it correctly you are riding a one-off work of art! Raised the value of rob's bike, anyway :P

and everyone agrees only good things can result from it!

Real_Wolf
1st May 2009, 19:36
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=215384628

owner said he wanted about 2400 for it,

Me: Hello, so Wof and rego are current? How long until they run out? And can you please give an indication of the reserve?

Him: no it will be done on conf of sale. were after 2400

shingo
1st May 2009, 20:24
http://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=86yen&search=Check

WOF expired Nov 07. Last check was unsuccessful.

Rego is out by 2 months, and on hold by the look of it.

Ixion
1st May 2009, 20:38
Hang about.

If the Wof expired on 17th Nov 2007 (agrees with issue date of May 2007) how did he manage to get it registered on 14th Nov 2008 ? You have to have a current WoF to register a vehicle.

EDIT: Forget I spoke, The last registration in Nov 2008 will in fact have been an exemption. It's been off the road for a good while.

Real_Wolf
1st May 2009, 22:07
how did you get the license plate? I couldn't see it.

Its only done 17k, so if he's willing to get wof + rego put on it, I think thats probably a pretty good deal, anyone disagree?

If I find no intelligent person (as in with an actual reason for disagreeing) saying no, who wants to check it out with me sometime soon

Remember, although:
Last inspection was unsuccessful on 22nd November 2008.

I said if he's willing to get wof + rego, as in we check it out, let him know that condition, and if he gets a wof + rego then he gets money and i take bike

shingo
1st May 2009, 22:27
how did you get the license plate? I couldn't see it.

Its only done 17k, so if he's willing to get wof + rego put on it, I think thats probably a pretty good deal, anyone disagree?

If I find no intelligent person (as in with an actual reason for disagreeing) saying no, who wants to check it out with me sometime soon

Remember, although:
Last inspection was unsuccessful on 22nd November 2008.

I said if he's willing to get wof + rego, as in we check it out, let him know that condition, and if he gets a wof + rego then he gets money and i take bike

I could read at least 4 of the digits, just guessed the 5th one till i got it right.

I reckon if you can get him to get a wof for it then it will definitely be worth a look. Would actually be a pretty good deal if it checks out mechanically and was made fully road legal.

motorbyclist
2nd May 2009, 14:56
yep it's worth a look

Ixion
2nd May 2009, 15:07
Somewhere I think I've got pretty nar a complete reconditioned engine for one of those. 250 GSX ceratinly, not sure how many models they had.

xwhatsit
2nd May 2009, 15:38
Somewhere I think I've got pretty nar a complete reconditioned engine for one of those. 250 GSX ceratinly, not sure how many models they had.
That's a GSX `Across' -- not a twin like the other GSX250s, they're the same multi that are in the GSXR and Bandit.

Ixion
2nd May 2009, 16:00
Ah, mine is the twin

Real_Wolf
3rd May 2009, 18:14
sweet, gave him a text, he's gonna give me a call at some point to arrange a time to view it.

Who wants to come view it? And if you do, when about are you free. I'll try for the weekend to view it, but if not I'd go for tuesday afternoon. Or after the chiller

motorbyclist
3rd May 2009, 18:46
monday through to thursday arvo works for me

macros87
3rd May 2009, 20:02
r we all coming to have a look :)

Real_Wolf
3rd May 2009, 20:23
anyone is welcome, most likely it wil be 4-6 tuesday. Assuming its not sold monday.

Gonna have to withdraw alot of cash :D, will be fun.

Not sure how i'm getting there atm, its out by whenuapai so its nice and close (to me)

Ragingrob
3rd May 2009, 20:26
Which bike is this that you're keen on?

motorbyclist
3rd May 2009, 20:31
we look before withdrawing cash so that you aren't tempted into buying what is quite likely another lemon.


and we don't need the whole brigade on this one (though it is always fun seeing the look on a seller's face as 5 people decend on their bike, wiggling, spinning and pulling on things)

Real_Wolf
3rd May 2009, 21:35
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=215384628
http://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=86yen&search=Check

wof + rego (or maybe just rego, not sure) apparently on point of sale

Slyer
3rd May 2009, 22:31
You know those bikes have the petrol tank in the back and a helmet holder where the tank normally is?

Real_Wolf
3rd May 2009, 22:57
yah, its really weird, its under the seat (not sure where the opening is tho)

Phurrball
3rd May 2009, 23:23
I second what Andrew said.

Take a DEPOSIT ONLY (and maybe proof of funds so ya get a test ride).

If you make a deposit, get a written receipt and consider making a suitable vehicle inspection a condition of sale. (Though it sounds like you've already got quite an inspection team, who will swarm the bike in 'pit crew' style :eek5:)

Remember to cover your arse. You have the money and you can suggest any contractual terms you like - eg passing WOF/ getting reg; pre sale inspection etc. The worst the seller can say is 'no', which may be enlightening - depending on the term declined...

Good luck!

I'm busy all week with graduation/family I've not seen in a while, so no SMC LCO on this trip :weep:

shingo
3rd May 2009, 23:30
As a minimum the seller has to pay any overdue rego fees on any vehicle they sell (unless one can put a vehicle on hold even after the rego has expired for a couple months and not have to pay the overdue rego?).

Real_Wolf
4th May 2009, 00:18
hmm, what would be a good proof of funds, and reckon 25% is enough for a deposit?

Phurrball
4th May 2009, 00:55
Take an internet banking printout. Should do it. Just edit out any dodgy purchases :whistle: (j/k ;))

I wouldn't go as high as 25%. A nominal amount should be fine - say $100 to hold it for you (or 10% tops.)

Be clear on what is to happen WRT the deposit - circumstances where it will be refunded etc.

Don't rush into anything!

(Phurrball ponders whether this thread will become as epic as Zim's one...)

motorbyclist
4th May 2009, 09:48
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-216698577.htm

:blip:

macros87
4th May 2009, 10:04
i just gave the guy who sold me the zxr 250 deposit, which i thought was reasonable... so dnt go crazy man. and yeah insist strongly on rego and wof before money changes hands, i think unless you are selling the vehicle specifically as a vehicle unfit to be on the road hence cant pass wof cant get rego, then the seller should always provide those, if only for the other persons peace of mind... but thats just how i do business

Ragingrob
4th May 2009, 10:54
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-216698577.htm

:blip:

That'd be a good cheap reliable buy.

Real_Wolf
4th May 2009, 23:50
nah, I think i'd want at least a vtwin

Slyer
5th May 2009, 09:03
And stick to it.
Seriously don't get an FXR unless that's all you can afford.

Real_Wolf
5th May 2009, 18:21
sweet, the gsx accross is looking like it might be it, just waiting on the guy to put a wof and rego on it and its good.

Now, what to call it, should I just mention it as my accross? or as a gix cross or what?

motorbyclist
5th May 2009, 18:48
first off, those across models are very different from all the other IL4 250 sport models - this had surprising low end torque but not much of a top end. it idled and redlined lower too. the across really is a commuter model.

owner had no real idea about it as it was his son's bike, but was an honest guy and will do everything he has to to get a wof and rego at his cost before selling - though there is no reason for it to fail asfaik.

i adjusted idle so it wouldn't need choke to run:rolleyes:

motor starts cold and runs fine. chassis is straight.

good discs, new pads, chain a bit slack and bone dry but sprockets are mint and heaps of adjustment available. bearings etc all good though i thought the front end suspension was disproportionately soft compared to the rear.

missing lower left fairing, left footpeg welded back on after bin so doesn't bend back.

It is cosmetically a bit rough - seat a bit loose, trick to open storage and to access the fuel cap, but could be fixed given motivation. FXR150 mirrors.

gear lever needs adjusting, clutch lever needs adjusting and bolt pivot replaced. missing a bolt that the storage compartment hinges on to access the motor

so, mechanically there is very little to go wrong. i hit a false neutral around 5th gear, but could not get it again - my old gsxr250 had the same problem due to a suspected bent selector and so did the demo cbr125 at botany honda:shutup:

only dodgy noise was the excessive chain noise - lube and tension should remedy that.


honestly, for $2400 it isn't a bad buy - spend a weekend adjusting things back to where they should be and maybe find a replacement fairing and it'd be worth 3k, fix the button to open the storage and fuel cap and it's worth 3500ish

Ragingrob
5th May 2009, 19:08
Fair enough, be good to see you back on a bike again! I've ridden with an Across in the past and it wasn't slow by any means.

macros87
5th May 2009, 22:39
buying a bike that needs work done while STILL PERFECTLY ridable is fun :) i say go for it! and we will organize some fix it days to get it perfect, nothing sounds like it couldn't be fixed in andrews shed :)

Phurrball
5th May 2009, 23:02
Sounds good!

I'd be interested to know how different it is to a Bandit in character (Since that was my first :scooter:)

PirateJafa
5th May 2009, 23:04
No VTEC, bro.

Real_Wolf
5th May 2009, 23:53
i'll let ya know Phurrball, have a convenient bandit to compare it to, from 94 (so its the lesser power model). Mates definetely wanna have a go on my bike too at some point.

First things first though, lubing that chain. Anyone have any lube they could bring to uni (when I finally have it to take to uni), as I don't have any at home. Or recommend a good chain lube?

macros87
6th May 2009, 00:13
i'll let ya know Phurrball, have a convenient bandit to compare it to, from 94 (so its the lesser power model). Mates definetely wanna have a go on my bike too at some point.

First things first though, lubing that chain. Anyone have any lube they could bring to uni (when I finally have it to take to uni), as I don't have any at home. Or recommend a good chain lube?

i have a can laying around just say when and ill bring it into uni, i use motul but only cos im an easily influenced brand whore. dont see why anything else wouldnt work as well as motul, for possibly far less money :(


No VTEC, bro.
bandits have vtec?! :crazy:

Phurrball
6th May 2009, 00:40
And stick to it.
Seriously don't get an FXR unless that's all you can afford.

Corrected statement: "Seriously, don't get EJ's FXR, even if that's all you can afford"

Non-fucked FXRs rock :bleh:

motorbyclist
6th May 2009, 02:03
First things first though, lubing that chain. Anyone have any lube they could bring to uni (when I finally have it to take to uni), as I don't have any at home. Or recommend a good chain lube?

it would probably pay to get a can of your own....

plus you will need to change the oil, adjust the gear lever and fix the clutch cable before it gets ridden anywhere other than the next fix it (yes i'd be happy to give you a hand)

Real_Wolf
6th May 2009, 09:07
speaking of which, assuming the bike gets its warrant before the weekend fixit sometime this weekend?

Still plan to use it on friday to get to university if I have it by then

motorbyclist
6th May 2009, 11:31
well then make sure you've done what i said to, or this bike might end up like the XS (or jafa's RD) - considering it's state, when was the last time do you reckon they checked the oil level or even changed it?

even a filter might not be a bad investment - get it all checked now BEFORE something goes wrong

Real_Wolf
6th May 2009, 15:38
thats true, I don't plan on really riding it more than twice before a fixit, as in - home, uni for friday, and then fixit

Ragingrob
6th May 2009, 15:53
At least lube the chain before you ride it, only takes 10min.

Real_Wolf
6th May 2009, 17:26
yeah, thats easy to do so will do that. Picking it up tomorrow after uni (like after 6), reckon I should lube up the chain before I leave or ride it home and lube it up there

motorbyclist
6th May 2009, 18:45
the sooner the better but honestly it won't make much difference considering how long it's been without any lube

get her home and fix the immediate problems

Real_Wolf
7th May 2009, 09:40
the only one I know how to fix on the spot is the chain, adjusting the gear lever I might be able to do, but not sure, and I don't think I can change the oil on my own (absolutely no knowledge on how to do this)

PirateJafa
7th May 2009, 09:48
I'm changing my oil tonight, so if you can get a hold of some oil as well as the bike today, you can pop by mine; I have all the tools necessary for the job.

motorbyclist
7th May 2009, 12:34
yours being the total opposite side of the city; perfect.

tbh it'll probably be fine, but i'm a strong believer in murphy's law.
if the seller had even the slightest clue I wouldn't be so concerned.

Squiggles
7th May 2009, 12:44
I'm changing my oil tonight, so if you can get a hold of some oil as well as the bike today, you can pop by mine; I have all the tools necessary for the job.

Thursday night ride?


yours being the total opposite side of the city; perfect.

Saturday at mine?

PirateJafa
7th May 2009, 12:58
yours being the total opposite side of the city; perfect.

'Tis still easier to get to than yours. :laugh:


Thursday night ride?

I'm following your lead. ;)

Real_Wolf
8th May 2009, 00:10
Well, picked up the bike today... what fun.

Anyways, so I pick it up, riding off carefully from whenuapai. We were heading to the hells pizza right next to the motorway exit, and then to home. Andrew will quote this and yell "murphy's law".

So I'm riding along the motorway, and i pull in the clutch to switch to 6th, and hear a familiar "snap" which reminded me of the xs. When half the clutch cable went. Short story, I had no clutch.

So we end up at hells pizza (only one set of lights while getting home was alot more of a mission), and I txt andrew, who happens to still be at uni. He comes out with danae pillioning, and we decide what to do, thinking "well people will turn up to bar africa after the ride, its not far, lets just get it moving, switch it down from neutral to first, and ride it in first the whole way there". Was on an uphill slope, but a roundabout down the road a bit, so we waited for a gap, i pushed off, and did that, rode around in first not clutching it (big roundabout luckily), and as i was coming back up the road Andrew was meant to pull out in front, and then my mates in the car behind, so that I didn't get stranded (not changing gear). Naturally, since my mate is useless at anything resembling working in a convoy, he pulls out behind, and i'm sitting there revving it at 13,000 going at about 40 or 50. They both pull off, andrew can't see me past the car, two cars get between me and them, but luckily both cars go straight while we go left (before the gull).

So then we go all the way to bar africa, pull up, switch it into neutral while its rolling and leave it there, go in, order andrew two beers (argh, my wallet), and wait. Send a txt out to jafa and one to steven later, needing it towed. Later on, jafa turns up in the cage, so I have to buy him some chips and a beer (argh, my wallet again), and then we sit there, one other person turns up, not even on a bike, and no one else turns up from the ride (useless people).

So finally we decide to all shoot off, jafa drives off to stevens to go get the trailer, and brings it back, we put the accross onto the back and it goes off to Stevens, where it was going to end up anyway. Of course its going a bit early, wanted it there for the fixit rather than for the days leading up to the fixit, but yeah.

Now, onto the actual bike:
I knew the clutch cable was going, hoped I could get enough out of it to get it home fine though, so no true suprises there just bad luck (or Andrew yelling Murphy's Law).
The convienient helmet storage.... doesn't quite fit my helmet. It won't quite close. I'm reminded of my alarmed disk lock I bought for the xs250, which didn't fit on the disk.
Bike runs fairly sweet however, bit of trouble starting cold, mostly as it wouldn't run cold due to a low idle, but tweaked it up a tiny bit and it was fine. Thought it might need a bump start but proved unnecessary (I think my mate might have actually just flooded it when starting it, as his bandit has no choke).

Now I need to go get a new clutch cable, any recommendations on how and where to go do this?

Ragingrob
8th May 2009, 00:26
Lol dude I'm so not letting you near any of my bikes ay >_<

Bad luck!

Good to finally get a bike again, now just get it going and you'll get to have fun all winter in the rain haha!

PirateJafa
8th May 2009, 00:37
Good thing sleep is for the weak or I'd be right fookt.

Phurrball
8th May 2009, 01:01
What a tale of clutch cable woe!

At least you all have excuses for being up late. And good stories for the grandkids. I'm shagging about with a Certificate of Character application. Funtimes. See y'all tomorrow.

I am weak.

I need sleep.

I start work at 7.30am.

Fail.

motorbyclist
8th May 2009, 01:27
Andrew will quote this

Murphy's Law! :bleh:


'Tis still easier to get to than yours. :laugh:

no it's not..... especially from where he lives.... even moreso with a dodgy clutch cable


I'm shagging about with a Certificate of Character application. Funtimes.

what?!

Real_Wolf
8th May 2009, 09:01
ah, gutting Ross.

Sleep is for lectures, which is what I'm probably going to end up doing.

I'm thinking I'm gonna have to rock up to the fixit, grab the clutch cable, disappear off to get a new one somewhere and then come back and do the oil and maybe move the gear lever down a tiny bit. And also do stuff to my xs (like steal its wof+rego box things)

motorbyclist
8th May 2009, 10:36
robinson intruments do good cable repairs

much cheaper than buying a new one

macros87
8th May 2009, 11:21
hey id be happy, of all the things to go wrong this is one of the easily fixed ones so no big deal.

Slyer
8th May 2009, 11:50
Atomic bike wreckers repaired mine for $30 or something. Can't remember.
(Thought it was remade too long due to my cable already being stretched, and I didn't mention that to him)

Ragingrob
8th May 2009, 11:53
So, is there a fix-it at Stephen's Sat?

Real_Wolf
8th May 2009, 18:21
rob, as far as I know, yes. Not sure when, but I'll be in a cage. Hoping that some place where I can get a cheap cable repair is open on a sat

Ragingrob
8th May 2009, 20:05
See ya's at Stephen's tomo. Gotta get a bandit running, and get a new headlight bulb :2thumbsup

Real_Wolf
9th May 2009, 17:52
well, turns out the problem with the accross was NOT a snapped cable.

Rather, not the turney bit (yeah, i don't know its technical name) but the bit the turny bit turns in for activating the clutch (what the clutch lever pulls, it turns a "bolt" sorta thing, and what that bolt turns in) had no bolts on its sides holding it in.

It was still in fairly strongly just from friction, but the clutch cable must have just been pulled, and it slipped slightly (the cracking noise, if there was alot fo friction), and thus the clutch cable was too loose for it to have any purchase at all (fits with what it was like).

Thus, 2 new bolts and alot of fiddling later and the accross was working fine. Even adjusted the gear lever while it was there, and the clutch lever (was really high up), still needs an oil change however. Even lubed up the chain now, though will wanna get that off at some point and clean the crap out of it completely like rob suggested

Danae
9th May 2009, 19:28
Good job. You guys get rained on?

I went shopping and got some new jeans :eek:

Slyer
9th May 2009, 19:59
We went to sylvia park and bought a bath robe!
Awwwww yeah.

Danae
9th May 2009, 20:29
Dude I went to Sylvia Park also. :2thumbsup

Ixion
9th May 2009, 20:54
We went to sylvia park and bought a bath robe!
Awwwww yeah.
You thrill seeking sensationalist you. You only live for excitement, don't you

Slyer
9th May 2009, 21:37
Did I mention it was part of a Hugh Hefner costume?

macros87
9th May 2009, 23:13
You thrill seeking sensationalist you. You only live for excitement, don't you


Did I mention it was part of a Hugh Hefner costume?

i think my friend slyer has put you in your place... and plus smc costume? it sounds like a party is in the works, why has there not been an smc invite going around!

Real_Wolf
10th May 2009, 00:22
ah, yes, a fair bit of rain, wore my riding pants the whole time so that i had comfy kneepads and dry clothing

Squiggles
10th May 2009, 01:01
Did I mention it was part of a Hugh Hefner costume?

Fuck yeah says the hugh heffner impersonator :2thumbsup :beer: