When is "cordura" not Cordura?

[Mom]

I have read this thread, well what ever it was called when the two major contributors began to "unslag" each others product. For two apparently honest traders to be reduced to slugging it out on an internet forum over anything is pathetic. This morning I saw them arguing and psudeo agreeing over semantics over a name, it is beyond pathetic really. Does nothing to convince me to even want to look at their gear, let alone buy it.

To see two companies ( I am making an assumption here) lowering themselves to a blow by blow on an internet forum over a consumer review is sad and demeaning. To see this kind of discussion anytime a thread on gear appears on here is pathetic. Like I said, I am a non buyer of either product as a result.

A simple lesson in marketing 101 may actually be beneficial to either party, dont bag your competitions product, it makes people want to go and buy it. When both parties bag each other, they both lose, the market will go elsewhere.

Pathetic!

[Motu]

Any time a sales rep started slagging a competitors product he was out my door and I wouldn't deal with them.A product sells on it's own merit to me...talk the talk all you like,and I'll make my decision - but pull another product down to make yours look better,and I've made my choice right there.

[sil3nt]

There is only one way to resolve this. Stick them both in a room each kitted out in their own gear with one knife in the middle. Last man standing wins the war.

[flyingcrocodile46]

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There is only one way to resolve this. Stick them both in a room each kitted out in their own gear with one knife in the middle. Last man standing wins the war.

Lol.. Best start looking for a suitable knife. Maybe someone can start a knife review thread

[Biggles08]

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I have read this thread, well what ever it was called when the two major contributors began to "unslag" each others product. For two apparently honest traders to be reduced to slugging it out on an internet forum over anything is pathetic. This morning I saw them arguing and psudeo agreeing over semantics over a name, it is beyond pathetic really. Does nothing to convince me to even want to look at their gear, let alone buy it.

To see two companies ( I am making an assumption here) lowering themselves to a blow by blow on an internet forum over a consumer review is sad and demeaning. To see this kind of discussion anytime a thread on gear appears on here is pathetic. Like I said, I am a non buyer of either product as a result.

A simple lesson in marketing 101 may actually be beneficial to either party, dont bag your competitions product, it makes people want to go and buy it. When both parties bag each other, they both lose, the market will go elsewhere.

Pathetic!

Mom...you really should go back and re read the thread properly this time....because you are wrong. Quasi NEVER bagged 1tonne or made any reference to the quality good or bad!? He was adding to a conversation about the merits or otherwise of CODURA products and pointed out that not all products that call themselves CODURA are in fact 'CON'DURA. It was then 1tonne that launched into Quasi for pointing this out!? By and by it came out that in fact 1tonne was one of those companies that did sell product as being CODURA which in fact it isn't! That's not 'bagging an opposition' that's saving someone from litigation! As an interesting side note, due to the content of this thread I see that 1tonne has taken down all references to his product being CODURA from his website (that were there before this thread evolved). I think we should be congratulating Quasi for highlighting this issue for 1tonne...don't you?

I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.

[rustic101]

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Lol.. Best start looking for a suitable knife. Maybe someone can start a knife review thread

Screw knives, my Gerber will kick any knifes blade by miles

[flyingcrocodile46]

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The online world is hard on traders as it multiplies the effectiveness of word-of-mouth many fold. Some traders don't engage with this and are oblivious to remarks that may be made about them online. Other traders actively participate in online forums, sometimes finding it hard to know when or how to contribute to an online discussion. This is complicated when a trader also engages with the site as both a trader and as a member, as people find it hard to know what hat they may be wearing or of their qualifications to comment with any authority.

Those of us who have been active on this site for a while know who is who and what baggage they carry on a range of issues. Newer members don't have the benefit of prior knowledge and will judge thread content at face value. My own rep status bears testimony to this.

In the absence of Government-regulated motorcycle clothing standards, there is a place in the market for manufacturers offering apparel at a variety of price points. One person's "good value" can be another's "cheap and nasty". As long as folk are happy with their purchases and the respective suppliers are not misrepresenting the products they are selling, all should be well.

If suppliers are misrepresenting their goods, they should be wary of New Zealand's laws around this, as the penalties can be severe.

Top post.

Pity about the rep testimony thing

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I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.

As other posters have correctly stated, some of the knock off product are produced using the exact same processes and have comparable performance. It has also been rightly said that "you need to do your research". A lot of brands use alternatives to "Cordura" without any compromise in performance and safety, and looking at 1 Tonnes feedback it doesn't look like anyone has cause to doubt that 1Tonne have "done their research".



On the Rolex side... More ways than one to skin a cat
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1771215403.html

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Screw knives, my Gerber will kick any knifes blade by miles

'Waves' Leatherman

[shafty]

1. Don't know either Trader 2. Haven't bought or used either product 3. Seems to me they are different parts of the market 4. I feel it unfair to say Q-Moto has slagged off, or referrred to another product by name, when he hasn't

[Grubber]

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I disagree. It is not always practical to take court action to address things that are not right. It must be ever so satisfying to live in a black and white world like yours, but the great majority of us don't. Debate and discussion is healthy (part of the education process), stifling it is not. Thanks for your opinion but as it appears very close minded I shall be ignoring it.

there are also very strict laws governing the defamation of other products or brands. In business there is also that invisible line that you don't cross. The one where you sell your brand without ridiculing others.

[Grubber]

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Mom...you really should go back and re read the thread properly this time....because you are wrong. Quasi NEVER bagged 1tonne or made any reference to the quality good or bad!? He was adding to a conversation about the merits or otherwise of CODURA products and pointed out that not all products that call themselves CODURA are in fact 'CON'DURA. It was then 1tonne that launched into Quasi for pointing this out!? By and by it came out that in fact 1tonne was one of those companies that did sell product as being CODURA which in fact it isn't! That's not 'bagging an opposition' that's saving someone from litigation! As an interesting side note, due to the content of this thread I see that 1tonne has taken down all references to his product being CODURA from his website (that were there before this thread evolved). I think we should be congratulating Quasi for highlighting this issue for 1tonne...don't you?

I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.

I believe he did actually do just that in a round about way. The original post at the start by Quasi was referring to a 1 tonne jacket that was up for sale. All i can say is that i disapprove of any manufacture slagging. Sell on your quality of service and/or product and leave the rest to do their job. If it's good enough, people will return

[Grubber]

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I'm pretty sure quasi jumped in first :/ on a thread that was reviewing a competitors jacket

Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.

[Grubber]

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My God! After everything I just posted you are too stupid to go back to the start of this thread (which was the review thread to which you refer). If you are either too fucking dumb to comprehend the written evidence or too lazy to do so, then best you just shut the fuck up because you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Goodness me young man. Think you should read the very first post again. It clearly relates to competitors jacket.....wow i think you need to learn to read. Obviously raking some cash in off sponsorship that you can't afford to be without.

[flyingcrocodile46]

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Goodness me young man. Think you should read the very first post again. It clearly relates to competitors jacket.....wow i think you need to learn to read.

I imagine that this will come as a bit of a shock to you, but every post in a thread is not in response to the first post In fact hardly any ever are.

Yes Quasi's first post wasn't necessary (in point of fact if you weren't so quick to jump to conclusions and had read the thread yourself you would see I had already pointed out that it was a unnecessary post) but neither was it deriding the competitors product. It was simply a smart arse comment in regard to a marketing ploy that many choose to use to mislead people as to the comparable value of products. Your comment "wow i think you need to learn to read" is quite laughable in the face of your quite apparent comprehension failure. Poking fun at a marketing strategy aimed at the naive is not attacking another manufacturers product. Only emotive fuckwits who choose to interpret written words by imagining additional words between them could possibly read things that way.

Try reading the words without your pessimistic imagination getting all tangled up in them.

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Obviously raking some cash in off sponsorship that you can't afford to be without.

Further evidence of the lack of relevance that shit head posters place in facts. No dickhead I am not.

[flyingcrocodile46]

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Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.

Wrong

Does anyone at this fucking forum actually read before they excrete their witless observations??

[Biggles08]

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Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.

Grubber...I'm pretty sure you need to learn to read...here I'll spell it out for you....THE POINT OF IT ALL WAS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW NOT ALL BRANDS THAT CLAIM TO BE CODURA ARE!!! - that's the ONLY point he was making with the 'some traders on TM' comment...read it again! The fact that 1tonne appears now to be one of those brands is something I did not know UNTIL 1tonne themselves came on here and admitted to it...then proceeded to remove ALL reference of "CODURA" (a protected brand name) from their website...case closed! Stop trying to make Quasi the bad guy here...he has never claimed his product is made from anything other than top quality leather. Grow up and stop making shit up!