Riders down all OK. Video (Dec 2011)

**Katman** · 25th December 2011, 17:31

Originally Posted by White trash

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

I dunno Jimmy, if a few people being made to feel a bit foolish gets across the folly of these sorts of group rides then I say they should suck it up.

It's probably the only good that could come from splashing this sort of video across the public's eye.

**AD345** · 25th December 2011, 17:43

Originally Posted by Katman

the folly of these sorts of group rides .

What folly is that?

What sort of group rides is that?

**Katman** · 25th December 2011, 17:50

Originally Posted by AD345

What folly is that?

What sort of group rides is that?

A collection of riders of greatly varying skill level who don't know each others riding ability.

As said earlier, add a video camera and the scenario just gets worse.

**AD345** · 25th December 2011, 17:58

Originally Posted by Katman

A collection of riders of greatly varying skill level who don't know each others riding ability.

As said earlier, add a video camera and the scenario just gets worse.

Mmmm

But this particular group rides together quite a lot and often with the video camera.

The briefings are as good as any I've heard, the general speed is what I would consider sedate and there is no evidence of people "performing" for the camera

As much as it can be comforting to stereotype, it is not always true.

This is not a group looking for a place to have their accidents and bragging about their skills and high-speed footage. They pretty much follow all the group ride advice that is batted about this place.

3 people fucked up - it happens.

**Big Dave** · 25th December 2011, 18:16

Originally Posted by 98tls

When will people just accept motorcycling for what it is.

It's about the roads becoming impassable and treacherous.

I am well aware it happens NZ wide. But it's much worse in the Waikato. In some back country places a bike is better off taking to the gravel verge in the melt.
Then when it gets wet there is simply no good line available. The whole surface is rooted.

That is unacceptable. Even if you are a KB-style hero hell rider without fault. (No not meaning you)

Rick Barker once told me he believed the cost of fixing it would be less than it costs in ACC. It's an issue that will continue to get worse.

**Brett** · 25th December 2011, 18:31

Originally Posted by White trash

Oh FFS!!!! (12 year old daughters abbreviation)

A group of guys went for a ride, on cruisers. There were no fucking egos, otherwise they wouldn't have been on cruisers. There was a crash, during which, a number of motorcyclists were injured. Some helicoptered to hospital.

Regardless of whether YOU riding gods would have fallen or not is irrelevant. The fact is, people did. They're hurt. Their pillions are hurt. Their bikes are fucked.

Now, they're probably ALL going over in their own minds what they could have done differently. But to have 10 pages of who they considered to be their mates rarking them up calling them n00bs is no doubt, not helping them recover.

Point 1) The riders involved are hopefully recovering and teaching themselves what they could have done differently.
Point 2) Every SINGLE one of you critiques have made at least ONE mistake in the past, probably more. You're just extremely fortunate there were no video cameras around at the time.

These guys may or may not have fucked up. I don't care. They're injured. Their bikes are fucked. Their peers are calling them n00bs for crashing. They deserve a break.

Merry Christmas guys, shit'll get better in the New Year, I look very forward to catching up on the road some time. Peace!

Jimmy

Fair call mate.

**Grantman_** · 25th December 2011, 21:24

This thread hasn't served to show the 'folly of these sorts of group rides' or do any good whatsoever for that matter.

Quite the opposite. Chiefly it shows a cess pit of vindictive hypocrisy.

**Laava** · 25th December 2011, 21:51

Originally Posted by AD345

3 people fucked up - it happens.

This is it in a nutshell.
Let's move on.

**FJRider** · 25th December 2011, 21:58

Originally Posted by Grantman_

This thread hasn't served to show the 'folly of these sorts of group rides' or do any good whatsoever for that matter.

Quite the opposite. Chiefly it shows a cess pit of vindictive hypocrisy.

If you mean ... when blame for the "off's" was put entirely on one contributing factor ... and when the issue of no blame admitted by any concerned, was raised ... and challenged ... and the flame war began, the "it wasn't my fault brigade" responding well .... you could be right.

ACC has a "No Fault" policy after-all ...

**98tls** · 25th December 2011, 22:02

Originally Posted by Big Dave

It's about the roads becoming impassable and treacherous.

I am well aware it happens NZ wide. But it's much worse in the Waikato. In some back country places a bike is better off taking to the gravel verge in the melt.
Then when it gets wet there is simply no good line available. The whole surface is rooted.

That is unacceptable. Even if you are a KB-style hero hell rider without fault. (No not meaning you)

Rick Barker once told me he believed the cost of fixing it would be less than it costs in ACC. It's an issue that will continue to get worse.

Cry me a river mate,ever go to Cust way back?gravel verge

if only,those guys had the privledge to race on seal then gravel and managed to work it out pretty quick...or not.All this wrap motorcyclists up in cotton wool shits never going to work and god forbid it ever does, thank fuck its one of the few things left that luck and some ability play a part in.

**Big Dave** · 26th December 2011, 00:14

Originally Posted by 98tls

Cry me a river mate,ever go to Cust way back?gravel verge

if only,those guys had the privledge to race on seal then gravel and managed to work it out pretty quick...or not.All this wrap motorcyclists up in cotton wool shits never going to work and god forbid it ever does, thank fuck its one of the few things left that luck and some ability play a part in.

Bollocks.

Merry Xmas. :-)

**jrandom** · 26th December 2011, 06:47

Originally Posted by Big Dave

It's about the roads becoming impassable and treacherous.

I was told recently by someone who knows that the reason for the endless road melt problem is:

- Road surfacing jobs usually specify that if there's not enough bitumen in the mix to hold it together, the job has to be redone for free.

- Too much bitumen, however, there's no penalty for.

- Therefore it's in the interests of the contractor to err on the side of mixing too much bitumen in for the amount of aggregate in the seal.

- This causes the tarbleed problem - a perfect mix shouldn't do that anywhere near as much as what we generally see.

- The other benefit of this approach is of course that a couple of years later, once the road's bled itself to death, the same contractor usually gets to come back and re-do the job at the roading authority's cost.

We've just had this problem at work - the main access road we built had some chipseal put down and it's already bled like fuck on its uphill portion from all the concrete truck traffic. Doesn't matter too much, because it's going to get hotmix on top before the job's finished. But it was still interesting to have a chat with the construction manager and find out that chip seal shouldn't do that if it's properly laid.