Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[oneofsix]

Presumably with advice from the advisory council.

I see some movement there. The council is no longer being making policy but giving advice. Have another read.

[MSTRS:Me]

The MSL is a rort. We know that.
For all of you who are bagging them, the MSAC hasn't done anything (yet), so we can't know whether they are there for us, or stooges for Nick the Prick. Yet.
But the fact that only Stoney has spoken up (and been ticked off by his colleagues) hasn't seen them off to a promising start...

We just want to know that we're not being shafted. Again.

[oneofsix]

The MSL is a rort. We know that.
For all of you who are bagging them, the MSAC hasn't done anything (yet), so we can't know whether they are there for us, or stooges for Nick the Prick. Yet.
But the fact that only Stoney has spoken up (and been ticked off by his colleagues) hasn't seen them off to a promising start...

We just want to know that we're not being shafted. Again.

yes where is the comms committee?

[MrKiwi]

Maybe when people start talking we can listen. MrKiwi even denied he was the AA rep when asked.

He then de3leted his own post and posted something more "politically correct".

Why can't people who claim to speak for us at least introduce themselves? The others on the committee have all been named in the press release from January.

Apparently people have been appointed to working groups, but we don't know what these working groups are or who is on them.

When one person that we have trust in came back and filled us in on a FEW benign details he got told to pull his head in, even though most of what he posted was his opinion.

Don't tell me to start listening until someone can come up with something to say other than "trust me".

No I did not, I said I am not an employee of the AA and I am not on the national council, I then amended a post to be more concilitory than my original post which was a bit pointed.

I'm listening guys - and feel free to disagree (oops just continue to feel free to disagree not that you need anybody's approval, least of all mine, to do that). Just don't excpect me to agree with everything here or in the AA, or in the ACC or in anything else!

I don't have to read this stuff, but I am doing so because this is a very useful website to gage the breadth and diversity of views. I'm getting further educated.

I'm not going to comment on my appointment or the decisions of the Council, those will come out through formal channels. I'm happy to discuss views, politics and what the AA does and does not believe, even more happy to hear your views on what the AA could more of to be helpful towards bikers.

Cheers.

[Bassmatt]

I don't have to read this stuff, but I am doing so because this is a very useful website to gage the breadth and diversity of views. I'm getting further educated.



Cheers.

No you dont have to and good on you for doing so. I would like to think there is a large cross section of the biker community that uses this site.
I would encourage ALL members of the council to at least have a browse even here every now and again.

[MSTRS:Me]

No I did not, I said I am not an employee of the AA and I am not on the national council, I then amended a post to be more concilitory than my original post which was a bit pointed.

But you are on the MSAC, you are a member of AA, you are on the Exec of Welly branch, and you are there at the behest of MN (presumably to give AA a voice on a MOTORCYCLE council)? Maybe, even, to take a motorcycle voice back to AA. Right?

[riffer]

But you are on the MSAC, you are a member of AA, you are on the Exec of Welly branch, and you are there at the behest of MN (presumably to give AA a voice on a MOTORCYCLE council)? Maybe, even, to take a motorcycle voice back to AA. Right?

I'd say that's probably an accurate assessment of the situation. This of course, does not mean that he is there simply as a puppet of Mike Noon et al. That conjecture is yet to be both proved, or disproved.

Only time will tell, unfortunately.

[yungatart]

What I'd like to know, is how the AA so easily and successfully can lobby the government and get what they want, but the rest of us have to take what we are given...ie a good shafting!

[NONONO]

No I did not, I said I am not an employee of the AA and I am not on the national council, I then amended a post to be more concilitory than my original post which was a bit pointed.

I'm listening guys - and feel free to disagree (oops just continue to feel free to disagree not that you need anybody's approval, least of all mine, to do that). Just don't excpect me to agree with everything here or in the AA, or in the ACC or in anything else!

I don't have to read this stuff, but I am doing so because this is a very useful website to gage the breadth and diversity of views. I'm getting further educated.

I'm not going to comment on my appointment or the decisions of the Council, those will come out through formal channels. I'm happy to discuss views, politics and what the AA does and does not believe, even more happy to hear your views on what the AA could more of to be helpful towards bikers.

Cheers.

Good that your listening.
Can you give me a straight answer?
Are you Representing the AA on the former Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group, now known as MSAC, in an official capacity?
And as you are listening, and please don't take this personally.
Fck the levy hikes.
Fck the MSL
Fck the MSAC
Oh, and Fck the AA for being a part of the original and ongoing problem of discrimination, lies and theft that has lead to many having to give up motorcycling because it is no longer affordable.
Hope you take that back to the Welly Exec and Smith and Judge, because that's how a lot of us feel.

[Katman]

What I'd like to know, is how the AA so easily and successfully can lobby the government and get what they want, but the rest of us have to take what we are given...ie a good shafting!

Might have something to do with the number of motorcyclists who have snubbed their noses at society for so long.

It's only a matter of time before the patience of TPTB (and a large majority of the general public) runs out for those who see themselves as a law unto their own.

[bogan]

Might have something to do with the number of motorcyclists who have snubbed their noses at society for so long.

It's only a matter of time before the patience of TPTB (and a large majority of the general public) runs out for those who see themselves as a law unto their own.

Pity bikers can't just separate our 1%ers into a group like cagers do with boy-racers and dodge any collective blame that way. Or should I say, pity all the dumb fucks that judge us collectively can't see we are as diverse a group as any other road users.

[Fatt Max]

Pity bikers can't just separate our 1%ers into a group like cagers do with boy-racers and dodge any collective blame that way. Or should I say, pity all the dumb fucks that judge us collectively can't see we are as diverse a group as any other road users.

Well said mate, totally agree. It is simple discriminatory measures against motorcyclists.

The effectiveness of the MSAC is only one consideration. Lobbying, protest action, being a responsible road user etc are all othe actions that can be taken on a personal, regional and national level.

As I have said before, my romantic notion is that the community unites and works ALL the angles to get what we want and deserve. Bikering and negative exchanges only play nicely into to the hands of those who do wish us off the road.

In some ways, our biggest enemy is ourselves however from what I see, hear and read, the community has a diverse range of people, all of whom have amazing foresight, knowledge and downright guts.

Imagine what we could do if we harnessed all that..

But again, as I have been told so many times these last few weeks, what the fuck do I know......

[Katman]

Pity bikers can't just separate our 1%ers into a group like cagers do with boy-racers and dodge any collective blame that way. Or should I say, pity all the dumb fucks that judge us collectively can't see we are as diverse a group as any other road users.

It's not just the one 1%ers that you're thinking of.

I believe AA's view of motorcyclists has been formed from feedback from their members. Too many have beared witness to countless displays of stupidity and a total lack of consideration for any other road user.

[bogan]

It's not just the one 1%ers that you're thinking of.

I believe AA's view of motorcyclists has been formed from feedback from their members. Too many have beared witness to countless displays of stupidity and a total lack of consideration for any other road user.

So for arguments sake, say it's closer to 10% (i don't think it's that high), my point is still valid.

[Katman]

So for arguments sake, say it's closer to 10% (i don't think it's that high), my point is still valid.

The fact that it is wrong that the general public and TPTB should form their opinion of motorcyclists based on 10% (I believe it's higher than that) does not change the fact that that is exactly what happens.