Bikers' rights?

**White trash** · 23rd April 2011, 20:44

Why do bikers deserve their own rights?

I don't get it. Aren't we just beans? Like every other human bean?

So what bikers rights are we entitled to above every other citizens rights?

**Hitcher** · 23rd April 2011, 20:50

We're entitled to a fair go: a fair suck of the sav, if you will.

When we're discriminated against unfairly, as we were with the ACC levy debacle, then we're entitled to get angry.

When the learner license provisions for motorcycles are significantly different to how they are for cars (no power-to-weight or engine size restrictions for car drivers), then we're entitled to be irked.

When other road users are able to kill us at will and receive little sanction for that, then, if we're not the deceased party, we're entitled to get bloody livid.

At least that's what I think.

**FJRider** · 23rd April 2011, 20:56

AND ... WE'RE SPECIAL ...

**Kickaha** · 23rd April 2011, 20:58

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AND ... WE'RE SPECIAL ...

Special needs maybe

**oneofsix** · 23rd April 2011, 21:00

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Special needs maybe

Special needs get special rights ... correct. So what was the question?

**White trash** · 23rd April 2011, 21:03

Hi. Thanks for your question.

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We're entitled to a fair go: a fair suck of the sav, if you will.

As are all New Zealanders. Can't see how how riding a motor powered bicycle entitles us to our own rights.

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When we're discriminated against unfairly, as we were with the ACC levy debacle, then we're entitled to get angry.

Weren't descriminated against, bikers cost more to rehillbillytate than other motorvehicle accident injury suffereres. Therefore, we pay more. Makes sense. As for angry, gggrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........

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When the learner license provisions for motorcycles are significantly different to how they are for cars (no power-to-weight or engine size restrictions for car drivers), then we're entitled to be irked.

I see your point. This needs sorted asap. Can't wait to see learners riding 2011 R1's, accompanied by a fully licensed supervisor percehd on the back. Seems fair.

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When other road users are able to kill us at will and receive little sanction for that, then, if we're not the deceased party, we're entitled to get bloody livid.

Interesting. I know a heap of road users that go out to kill motorcyclists at will for the fun of it. Motor vehicles have accidents, it's the motorcyclists choice to travel on an inherantly unstable machine, FAR more prone to operator damage in the event of an incident than any other means of transport.

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At least that's what I think.

I like it.

**Blackbird** · 23rd April 2011, 22:58

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When other road users are able to kill us at will and receive little sanction for that, then, if we're not the deceased party, we're entitled to get bloody livid.

At least that's what I think.

Brett,
We're also responsible for lifting our own skills so we can see them coming at us.

I'm not really disagreeing with what you say, I just have a problem with riders moaning without doing anything to help themselves.

...and I think you're trolling

**James Deuce** · 24th April 2011, 02:15

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Weren't descriminated against, bikers cost more to rehillbillytate than other motorvehicle accident injury suffereres. Therefore, we pay more. Makes sense. As for angry, gggrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........

So another self-appointed uneducated expert doesn't know how ACC is supposed to work. Motorcyclists are discriminated against, simply because there is an easily identifiable way of levying extra funds from them.

ACC is supposed to be available to all without blame or stigma attached to the event or activity that caused the injury.

You're wrong too. Equestrian endeavours cost far more per injury event to put back together than motorcyclists do.

The biggest "contributors" to the ACC bill are DIYers. Motorcyclist's ACC costs are trending downward despite registrations going up.

I don't like the term "rights" though, especially applied to any group based on activity or ethnicity. The Bill of Rights defines our "rights" as New Zealanders however that is a worthless document overridden by any number of traffic regs, let alone special provisions in law if the judiciary decides that an individual doesn't warrant protection from the Bill of Rights.

**White trash** · 24th April 2011, 06:48

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So another self-appointed uneducated expert doesn't know how ACC is supposed to work. Motorcyclists are discriminated against, simply because there is an easily identifiable way of levying extra funds from them..

James, James, James. I'm far from an "expert" on anything other than shit stirring, you of all people know me well enough to be familiar with that.

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ACC is supposed to be available to all without blame or stigma attached to the event or activity that caused the injury.

Yadda yadda yeah I know all that.

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You're wrong too. Equestrian endeavours cost far more per injury event to put back together than motorcyclists do.

The biggest "contributors" to the ACC bill are DIYers. Motorcyclist's ACC costs are trending downward despite registrations going up.

As I said, "Motor Vehicles"

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I don't like the term "rights" though, especially applied to any group based on activity or ethnicity. The Bill of Rights defines our "rights" as New Zealanders however that is a worthless document overridden by any number of traffic regs, let alone special provisions in law if the judiciary decides that an individual doesn't warrant protection from the Bill of Rights.

Ummmm, I think we're on the same page here. But you use big words that I can't understand......

**DEATH_INC.** · 24th April 2011, 06:59

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Equestrian endeavours cost far more per injury event to put back together than motorcyclists do.

Interesting.
Personally, I've never even been to a doctor for crashing a horse (and I've had a few) but have many times (including ambo rides) for a bike, both on the road and off.

**Kickaha** · 24th April 2011, 07:09

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You're wrong too. Equestrian endeavours cost far more per injury event to put back together than motorcyclists do.

I put this up in 2010 and it related to 08-09, Horse related injuries had cost just under 10 Million but it didn't give a "per injury" figure

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/at...6&d=1273651859

**Deano:Me** · 24th April 2011, 07:20

Are you bored Jimmy ?

**White trash** · 24th April 2011, 07:39

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Are you bored Jimmy ?

Drunk bro.

**brumax** · 24th April 2011, 07:57

white trash, are you serious ??
if not then great, your wakin everybody up and they will realise that we, the biking community are a minority and we have to stand up for our rights,
and yeh, we are different from our other road users,
i hope your rant gets all Kiwibikers signing up for MAG.
its the only serious group that have fought and changed many decisions here in the UK and the EU,
and know doubt you guys will need MAG to fight the fight over there to,

imagine if some twat in an area like, Coromandel or the Forgotten Highway, or Takaka Hill said he thought motorcycles were upsetting his enjoyment of his area and he wanted them banned, who is going to have a voice against him,
it has worked over here, getting in at then beginning and changing attitudes before the crazy ideas grow to be a huge problem,
and no i am not a MAG rep. :-)
just a biker who enjoys the freedom of ridin ma bike