Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

**superman** · 15th May 2011, 13:02

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5005...cret-abortions

It's sad how many people treat teenagers even at the age of 16 as though they own them and get to make all the decisions for them.

This lady honestly needs to pull her head in, if her daughter was uncomfortable telling her mum then she needs to realise that she's put the relationship in a state where the daughter isn't willing to communicate. Be pissed off at yourself, not at the law there to protect your daughter.

**SMOKEU** · 15th May 2011, 13:05

The last thing we need in this world is more unwanted kids who are going to be raised by a crack whore.

**Lurch** · 15th May 2011, 13:09

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

The last thing we need in this world is more unwanted kids who are going to be raised by a crack whore.

The last thing we need is more teenagers thinking that they have an 'easy' way out in case they get pregnant.

**superman** · 15th May 2011, 13:19

Originally Posted by Lurch

The last thing we need is more teenagers thinking that they have an 'easy' way out in case they get pregnant.

I agree with that, abortion law in NZ is stupid.

I think you can abort 20 weeks in (the feminists at uni think this isn't long enough). Babies can live from 20 weeks in some cases!!!!

And you have to either be very very stupid or get raped to become pregnant. The symptoms show pretty quickly when pregnancy has occurred, so 20 weeks?! Fuck off. No one should need that amount of time.

**yungatart** · 15th May 2011, 13:36

And in any other instance where there is a need for surgery the consent of the parent/s or legal guardians is required by law.
Why should abortion be any different?

**SMOKEU** · 15th May 2011, 13:41

Originally Posted by Lurch

The last thing we need is more teenagers thinking that they have an 'easy' way out in case they get pregnant.

It's a hell of a lot better than having even more sluts breeding like rabbits when they can't even afford to feed themself.

"Put the dick down, and get a phucking job."

**yachtie10** · 15th May 2011, 13:46

Originally Posted by yungatart

And in any other instance where there is a need for surgery the consent of the parent/s or legal guardians is required by law.
Why should abortion be any different?

Absolutely: but i cant help thinking if they want to deny it they should be taking full responsibility for the upbringing of the child.

As for the other redneck comments
whether or not to have a child is up to the parents not anyone else who thinks he speaks for all

**Hitcher** · 15th May 2011, 13:47

Let's not forget that most people who receive abortions are aged 32 and more. Abortion isn't a panacea for careless, randy teen females. Indeed a proportion of those CRTFs eschew the "careless" and deliberately seek pregnancy as a career option.

**Hitcher** · 15th May 2011, 13:48

Originally Posted by yachtie10

whether or not to have a child is up to the parents not anyone else who thinks he speaks for all

"He"? Tsk.

**superman** · 15th May 2011, 13:55

Originally Posted by yungatart

And in any other instance where there is a need for surgery the consent of the parent/s or legal guardians is required by law.
Why should abortion be any different?

If you are aborting around 4 weeks or earlier you can usually just take a drug. As with going on the pill, this does not require parental consent.

The point of consent with surgery is people can die and you don't want a legal battle with parents. You think 16 year-olds can't make rational decisions? I think the rate of deaths with abortion is 0.2-1.2 per 100,000, it is an issue which only the mother harbouring the foetus should be able to choose. As soon as a teenager is put into a situation such as that, they can be very reasonable and rational with their choices. To say parents consent is necessary would absolutely demean the teenagers own choices, and no doubt if the parents didn't agree with the teenagers opinion would cause all sorts of mental issues and anguish through the rest of their lives. As for the non-teenage pregnant 11-12 year olds... well surely you wouldn't expect them to have a child.

Surely you are not so zealous for control to suggest if you had a pregnant 16 year old daughter you should be the one with the right to choose if she has an abortion or not?! Most parents would agree with the kids decision, but some wouldn't. And the law is to protect those people.

**yachtie10** · 15th May 2011, 13:55

Originally Posted by Hitcher

"He"? Tsk.

all right
but i was referring to the comment makers

**Goblin** · 15th May 2011, 13:58

Originally Posted by superman

And you have to either be very very stupid to get pregnant, or get raped.

WTF??? Care to elaborate? Dunno if I'm just reading this in the wrong context but WTF?

**superman** · 15th May 2011, 14:04

Originally Posted by Goblin

WTF??? Care to elaborate? Dunno if I'm just reading this in the wrong context but WTF?

There is the contraceptive pill, condoms, injection (using the pill and condom together would mean the chances of getting pregnant are 0.001% I think?). So yes... if you are having sex consensually and get pregnant you are very very stupid or so very unlucky to fall in the 0.001%. Or you wanted to get pregnant knowing full well it could happen. And don't really need to explain why rape can cause pregnancy.

**Goblin** · 15th May 2011, 14:07

Originally Posted by superman

There is the contraceptive pill, condoms, injection (using the pill and condom together would mean the chances of getting pregnant are 0.001% I think?). So yes... if you are having sex consensually and get pregnant you are very very stupid or so very unlucky to fall in the 0.001%. Or you wanted to get pregnant knowing full well it could happen. And don't really need to explain why rape can cause pregnancy.

I'm well aware of contraception, Now you need to explain why a girl would have to be stupid to get raped.