Police discretion re ticketing in passing lanes

[Zedder]

Does that mean you'll pass the first one at 100 and the second at 200?

Now, now Jack.....

[scumdog]

Careful if you plan on riding to Hanmer... On the way back home yesterday I saw 4 speed traps... 4... That's 1 for every 35km.

So?

It's rarely the ones you see that get you.

[Parlane]

So?

It's rarely the ones you see that get you.

I didn't see any of them.. hence speed traps. Otherwise, I'd have called them pulled over patrol cars.

[James Deuce]

So?

It's rarely the ones you see that get you.

Shhhhh - Don't engage! He's immortal, invulnerable, invincible and indubitably correct in all of his assumptions about How Things Work (™).

[scumdog]

I didn't see any of them.. hence speed traps. Otherwise, I'd have called them pulled over patrol cars.

E.S.P. huh?

Wierd.

Or did you rely on your electomic detector thingy?

If so the same rule applies re the ones you don't 'see'.

[FJRider]

Shhhhh - Don't engage! He's immortal, invulnerable, invincible and indubitably correct in all of his assumptions about How Things Work (™).

He rides a Harley ... so ... he must have a sense of humor ...

[rastuscat]

I didn't see any of them.. hence speed traps. Otherwise, I'd have called them pulled over patrol cars.

It's a common thing that. To assume that coz you didn't see something it must have been hidden.

More like you failed to keep a good enough lookout.

Or like a car driver who says the he didn't see you so you must have been going too fast.

Easy to blame someone else, instead of manning up and accepting that you missed the obvious.

For six weeks I ran the HP section that works SH7 and SH7A. The section started hammering that road as part of Operation Jasmine, our response to the number of deaths on that road.

No passing lanes for Jack to bitch about up there, well, maybe one, at Mouse Point. Plenty of places to pass tho.

Ride at or about the speed limit and you'll never have to worry about radar traps (or piss poor observation) again.

So there.

[scumdog]

Ride at or about the speed limit and you'll never have to worry about radar traps (or piss poor observation) again.

So there.

Far-out rastuscat, THAT is not the 'KB way'

The KB way is to ride as fast as ya feel like (bein' an exceptional rider an' all m'lud) and then scream yer heart out on KB how you got caught by the revenue gatherers - and think people care.

Oh my, how I laugh at that, somebody else has been paying MY share of the revenue since 1987...

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh my, how I laugh at that, somebody else has been paying MY share of the revenue since 1987...

Well do ya wanna start paying mine then??? Think my oldest is 4-5yrs now. I'm sure the Govt would quite like to start receiving the fruits of their scam regardless of how old it is, and if you won't pay it no-one will.

[Jack Miller]

like a car driver who says the he didn't see you so you must have been going too fast.

when really he didn't see you because his newish car has huge thick A pillars that contain air bags and block his view.

[lesley]

Dear Jack et all
I came across your interesting discussion recently when I was researching speed enforcement in passing lanes. The reason I am researching this subject is because I got issued with a speeding infringement at 9.00pm one Sunday night on SH2 near Maramarua, whilst I was enroute from Wellington-Auckland. It was a dark wet night and I was tired from my long drive, so for most of my journey I was well under the speed limits. However, when I got to the passing lane in question, I was forced to speed up to avoid collison with the truck/trailer I was passing. I didn't realise the lane was about to end because the 'passing land ending' sign on the left of the road was obscured by the truck and there was no sign errected on the other side of the road (as is now required by law). At 100 kph on a wet road, there was no option to slow down or stop to let the truck merge in front of me, because the merge was imminent and the vehicle I was overtaking was too long. Consequently, I was obliged to increase my speed to allegedly 128 kph to avoid collison with the truck. The officer who issued me with the ticket was parked up with his stalker radar on in a side street within 250 metres of the passing lane ending. I didn't see him at that time, but received written confirmation from him later of his whereabouts. On a wet Sunday night, when there are few cars on the road and little for a country cop to do, I have no doubt he was only there for tax collection purposes and not road safety, which is wholly unethical.

I was aggrieved to receive an infringement in these circumstances and wrote to NZ Police requesting it cancel the infringement. The response I received from the Adjudication Manager refused to waive the infringement without reason. I also received a letter from the officer involved, advising me that Speed Enforcement Guide doesn't apply to Stalker Radar which I found rather perplexing because this code specifically relates to: "Speed measuring devices (including but not limited to speedometers, laser and radar devies) are, if operated in or from a vehicle, only to be operated from vehicles owned or operated by NZ Police" .

I have opted in public interest to have this matter determined by a court. I can't afford lawyers and have little respect for most anyway, so I will be representing myself at the hearings, which have been set down for Huntly District Court commencing on 21 February 2011.

I would be most grateful to receive any suggestions about what strategies I can utilise in my defense of this matter and would also be delighted if other concerned citizens could take the time to attend the hearing.

Cheers, Lesley

[Flip]

Dear Jack et all
I came across your interesting discussion recently when I was researching speed enforcement in passing lanes. The reason I am researching this subject is because I got issued with a speeding infringement at 9.00pm one Sunday night on SH2 near Maramarua, whilst I was enroute from Wellington-Auckland. It was a dark wet night and I was tired from my long drive, so for most of my journey I was well under the speed limits. However, when I got to the passing lane in question, I was forced to speed up to avoid collison with the truck/trailer I was passing. I didn't realise the lane was about to end because the 'passing land ending' sign on the left of the road was obscured by the truck and there was no sign errected on the other side of the road (as is now required by law). At 100 kph on a wet road, there was no option to slow down or stop to let the truck merge in front of me, because the merge was imminent and the vehicle I was overtaking was too long. Consequently, I was obliged to increase my speed to allegedly 128 kph to avoid collison with the truck. The officer who issued me with the ticket was parked up with his stalker radar on in a side street within 250 metres of the passing lane ending. I didn't see him at that time, but received written confirmation from him later of his whereabouts. On a wet Sunday night, when there are few cars on the road and little for a country cop to do, I have no doubt he was only there for tax collection purposes and not road safety, which is wholly unethical.

I was aggrieved to receive an infringement in these circumstances and wrote to NZ Police requesting it cancel the infringement. The response I received from the Adjudication Manager refused to waive the infringement without reason. I also received a letter from the officer involved, advising me that Speed Enforcement Guide doesn't apply to Stalker Radar which I found rather perplexing because this code specifically relates to: "Speed measuring devices (including but not limited to speedometers, laser and radar devies) are, if operated in or from a vehicle, only to be operated from vehicles owned or operated by NZ Police" .

I have opted in public interest to have this matter determined by a court. I can't afford lawyers and have little respect for most anyway, so I will be representing myself at the hearings, which have been set down for Huntly District Court commencing on 21 February 2011.

I would be most grateful to receive any suggestions about what strategies I can utilise in my defense of this matter and would also be delighted if other concerned citizens could take the time to attend the hearing.

Cheers, Lesley

Basically pay up and avoid the court costs.

[nothingflash]

Dear Jack et all
I came across your interesting discussion recently when I was researching speed enforcement in passing lanes. The reason I am researching this subject is because I got issued with a speeding infringement at 9.00pm one Sunday night on SH2 near Maramarua, whilst I was enroute from Wellington-Auckland. It was a dark wet night and I was tired from my long drive, so for most of my journey I was well under the speed limits. However, when I got to the passing lane in question, I was forced to speed up to avoid collison with the truck/trailer I was passing. I didn't realise the lane was about to end because the 'passing land ending' sign on the left of the road was obscured by the truck and there was no sign errected on the other side of the road (as is now required by law). At 100 kph on a wet road, there was no option to slow down or stop to let the truck merge in front of me, because the merge was imminent and the vehicle I was overtaking was too long. Consequently, I was obliged to increase my speed to allegedly 128 kph to avoid collison with the truck. The officer who issued me with the ticket was parked up with his stalker radar on in a side street within 250 metres of the passing lane ending. I didn't see him at that time, but received written confirmation from him later of his whereabouts. On a wet Sunday night, when there are few cars on the road and little for a country cop to do, I have no doubt he was only there for tax collection purposes and not road safety, which is wholly unethical.

I was aggrieved to receive an infringement in these circumstances and wrote to NZ Police requesting it cancel the infringement. The response I received from the Adjudication Manager refused to waive the infringement without reason. I also received a letter from the officer involved, advising me that Speed Enforcement Guide doesn't apply to Stalker Radar which I found rather perplexing because this code specifically relates to: "Speed measuring devices (including but not limited to speedometers, laser and radar devies) are, if operated in or from a vehicle, only to be operated from vehicles owned or operated by NZ Police" .

I have opted in public interest to have this matter determined by a court. I can't afford lawyers and have little respect for most anyway, so I will be representing myself at the hearings, which have been set down for Huntly District Court commencing on 21 February 2011.

I would be most grateful to receive any suggestions about what strategies I can utilise in my defense of this matter and would also be delighted if other concerned citizens could take the time to attend the hearing.

Cheers, Lesley

[St_Gabriel]

speeding infringement at 9.00pm one Sunday night

It was a dark wet night

I was tired from my long drive

I didn't realise the lane was about to end

my speed to allegedly 128 kph

Now I am the last person who should be talking about speeds/speeding but if the above facts are correct, they being that it was dark, you were tired, and it was an unfamiliar road, was overtaking the truck at that time REALLY WORTH YOUR FUCKING LIFE......

lastly, Slow down Rossi (or whoever the cage equivalent is)

[Jack Miller]

[QUOTEDon't listen to the revenue loving cop sympathizers telling you not to fight back. You have been wronged by an unjust system. If you haven't already found this thread it'll help you a lot:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...harges-dropped

Good luck Any Cop ticketing in a passing lane is pure scum in my opinion and even in the more sympathetic opinion of at least one on-list policeman should be focusing his attention on other issues.