MotoGP 2012

**Reckless** · 21st October 2011, 09:56

Came across a couple of articles speculating the future of the thous and the new structure thought I'd post up for comment.

Firstly we wont see Marquez in MotoGP next season
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/M...moto2+for+2012

And some comment from Cycle world on next years setup and the CRT “Claiming-Rule Team,” thing that you all might find interesting??
http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/10/18...a_rid=80684095

Wadya reckon will the new rules work will we really see a class within a class or can some actually grab an RSV4 or 1000rr and actually compete???

Interesting

Calendar for 2012

Date, Grand Prix - Circuit
15 April, Qatar* - Doha/Losail
29 April, Spain (STC) - Jerez de la Frontera
6 May, Portugal (STC) - Estoril
20 May, France - Le Mans
3 June, Catalunya - Catalunya
17 June, Great Britain - Silverstone
30 June, Netherlands** - Assen
8 July, Germany (STC) - TBC
15 July, Italy - Mugello
29 July, United States*** - Laguna Seca
19 August, Indianapolis - Indianapolis
26 August, Czech Rep. - Brno
16 September, San Marino & Riviera di Rimini - Misano
30 September, Aragon - Motorland
14 October, Japan - Motegi
21 October, Malaysia - Sepang
28 October, Australia - Phillip Island
11 November, Valencia - Ricardo Tormo – Valencia

* Evening Race
** Saturday Race
*** Only MotoGP class
STC (Subject to the contract)
TBC (To be confirmed)

**Reckless** · 21st October 2011, 16:05

More info!

Edwards is taking the CRT plunge!

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/e...suter+for+2012

Jeepers imagine if he could get it semi competitive??
Wonder how many more goin up!
May be better feeder steep from Moto 2 being created here and we'll see the young guns in the CRT teams??
You could have a mix of the old guys fading out developing the chassis and engines and the young guns shooting for the top? Would that be plain dangerous or some damn good racing?? Interesting

Imagine if one of these could beat the struggling Duc team? Rossi 2.5ish secs down on Pedrosa just now in Practice one. Now that would be embarrassing?

Just speculating out loud here but doubt they can get close 60hp down??

**Reckless** · 9th November 2011, 10:35

ha seem to be talkin to myself about the 2012 season but just scored this off Moto GP .com

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/v...gp+test+ducati

From the comments Fillippo is saying they are sticking to the Aluminum perimeter frame design if it "is a starting point for developing next year’s bike" He also says part of the reason for this is the 6 engine rule preventing them from developing the previous ideas.

Pics here http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-de...12&newsid=6022

Rossi did say this on tweet RT @birtymotogp: Rossi said no major improvement with new chassis. Still not fast enough mid-corner, work to do but optimistic

Nice acknowledgement about his riders to.

Just thought I'd share??

Suzuki given the hard word to make a decision here
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...medium=twitter

and Bautista might take Marco's vacant seat on the Honda?

**roogazza** · 9th November 2011, 10:49

Similar stuff here:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...ssis-valencia/

**Oscar** · 9th November 2011, 11:18

I was speaking to Mike Webb at Phillip Island and asked him what would happen if a CRT bike won a race ahead of the MotoGP prototypes.
He said he'd be delighted, which surprised me a bit as I thought that they wouldn't want to piss off Honda.

Essentially the problem at the moment (which Paul Butler also alluded to in an interview recently) is that MotoGP bikes cost too much and the teams (particularly Honda) have too much power. Apparently Marquez was asked for $5.5m for a Honda, plus half a mill for the flash gearbox!

**Reckless** · 9th November 2011, 12:22

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Similar stuff here:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...ssis-valencia/

Certainly gives the impression all are working together toward a common goal in the Ducati camp!
I'm not such a Ducati fan as a bike make but you really got to admire them for trying options and thinking out of the square.
If it wasn't for Stoner getting results on the old design they probably would have been here a year or two ago.
So in the end unfortunately they had to give in and join the masses, hopefully all Ducati riders will end up with a better bike after all this is over

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I was speaking to Mike Webb at Phillip Island and asked him what would happen if a CRT bike won a race ahead of the MotoGP prototypes.
He said he'd be delighted, which surprised me a bit as I thought that they wouldn't want to piss off Honda.

off moto GFP.com
"there were three CRT machines out on track. Iván Silva, testing an Inmotec, Carmelo Morales on a Suter frame with a BMW engine, and Gianluca Nannelli on Italian factory Gapam’s effort."

I'm quite sure Suter and BMW will be tryin hard! BMW don't seem to do anything by 1/2's. What they need is a named rider or a brilliant up and comer to ride the arse of one and get it up there. Now that would be a dream come true for Moto GP fans.

Test times

Test Times Valencia:
1. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda 1m 32.186s (40 laps)
2. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda 1m 32.322s (42)
3. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 1m 33.226s (73)
4. Randy de Puniet FRA Rizla Suzuki (800cc) 1m 33.544s (55)
5. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 33.652s (75)
6. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro 1m 33.857s (71)
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1m 33.859s (49)
8. Hector Barbera ESP Pramac Racing 1m 34.174s (57)
9. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda (800cc) 1m 34.330s (62)
10. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 1m 34.393s (61)
11. Franco Battaini ITA Ducati Marlboro 1m 35.371s (29)
12. Kousuke Akiyoshi JPN Repsol Honda 1m 35.728s (34)
13. Ivan Silva ESP BQR Inmotec (CRT) 1m 37.159s (44)
14. Carmelo Morales ESP Team Laglisse Suter-BMW (CRT) 1m 38.989s (33)
15. Gianluca Nannelli ITA Grillini Team Gapam (CRT) 1m 39.173s (24)
16. Federico Sandi ITA Grillini Team Gapam (CRT) 1m 39.827s (9)

First CRT bike 5 secs down.

**pritch** · 9th November 2011, 12:52

After looking forward to the 2011 season with even more enthusiasm than normal, it pretty much turned into a one horse race. Very disappointing in a number of ways.

Therefore I'll just take 2012 as it comes. If there is actually some competition and the championship is still alive later in the year I may even go to Phillip Island again?

The latest I've seen is that Bautista is heading for Gressini now. Here's hoping he does get that works spec bike.

**Oscar** · 9th November 2011, 14:01

Dorna is expecting 24 bikes on the grid by 2013, so that means 10 or 11 CRT bikes?

**roogazza** · 10th November 2011, 08:12

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After looking forward to the 2011 season with even more enthusiasm than normal, it pretty much turned into a one horse race. Very disappointing in a number of ways.
Therefore I'll just take 2012 as it comes. If there is actually some competition and the championship is still alive later in the year I may even go to Phillip Island again?

Me too, I've booked for Italy as usual, but will decide after 3 or 4 rounds if I go.

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Dorna is expecting 24 bikes on the grid by 2013, so that means 10 or 11 CRT bikes?

That would be great, maybe they'll all be CRT bikes by then ?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 10th November 2011, 09:16

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, maybe they'll all be CRT bikes by then ?

That wouldn't be great.

**denill** · 10th November 2011, 09:22

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That wouldn't be great.

Be like going to a WSBK.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 10th November 2011, 09:24

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Be like going to a WSBK.

Correct. No thanks.

**Reckless** · 10th November 2011, 09:38

Bautista confirmed for the Honda!

Isn't Bradl doin quite well for his first run in Moto GP??

Ducati/Rossi only a second off Spies on the Yamaha so they are liking the new changes by the looks of it!

Good sum up here http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/V...ednesday+final

Times here

Session 2 as of 17:03 - 09/11/11
Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps
1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 1:31.807 - - 45
2 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team 1:31.968 +0.161 +0.161 33
3 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing 1:32.338 +0.370 +0.531 75
4 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 31:32.550 +0.212 +0.743 67
5 Andrea Dovizioso Monster Yamaha Tech3 1:33.256 +0.706 +1.449 69
6 Valentino Rossi Ducati Team 1:33.332 +0.076 +1.525 62
7 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing 1:33.433 +0.101 +1.626 72
8 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team 1:33.648 +0.215 +1.841 41
9 Alvaro Bautista San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:33.814 +0.166 +2.007 55
10 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda MotoGP 1:34.142 +0.328 +2.335 61
11 kousuke Akiyoshi Repsol Honda Team 1:34.546 +0.404 +2.739 32
12 Franco Battaini Ducati Team 1:34.840 +0.294 +3.033 74
13 Carmelo Morales TeamLaglisse 1:35.911 +1.071 +4.104 67
14 Ivan Silva BQR Inmotec 1:36.695 +0.784 +4.888 52
15 Yonny Hernandez BQR FTR 1:37.279 +0.584 +5.472 30
16 Federico Sandi Grillini Team 1:38.680 +1.401 +6.873 26

**yod** · 10th November 2011, 09:50

Anyone know if the 107% rule is in effect for the CRTs next year? Judging by those lap times, they're cutting it a bit fine to even qualify...although it's early days yet I suppose.

Pedrosa 1:31.807

Sandi 1:38.680

107% = 1:38.233