LAMs and acc

**Kermit250** · 14th November 2011, 11:50

Was wondering with the change to LAM allowing bikes up to 660 cc that are approved for learners: will the "high risk" above 600 CC acc levies be adjusted to recognise that they aren't such a high risk after all?

**nzmikey** · 14th November 2011, 13:17

Ok so as i understand it on a "Learners & Restricted" you are able to ( for example ) ride the Hyobag 650 with the restrictor in place but you will still be paying the $530 per year for Rego vs the $414 for a true 250cc bike .

Whats the point ?

Yeah ok so when you upgrade to a full you have a 650cc bike with the full power wahoo whats the point ?
I can also see that the market for 250cc bikes is going to drop out so those of us with a 250cc bike are going to loose out hard when selling them .

**riffer** · 14th November 2011, 13:27

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Was wondering with the change to LAM allowing bikes up to 660 cc that are approved for learners: will the "high risk" above 600 CC acc levies be adjusted to recognise that they aren't such a high risk after all?

Short answer. No.

**Kermit250** · 14th November 2011, 13:30

what? so even though He hyo obviously isn't a "high risk" as it will be learner legal, you still pay high risk rego?

**oneofsix** · 14th November 2011, 13:35

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Short answer. No.

Agreed. Your tag line is a good answer to the question. Will the ACC levy for over 600cc be dropped? answer = pissing in the wind.

Trouble with the levy, apart from the faulty maths that is used to justify it, is it fits the simple formula those in the public that don't think can understand. More CC equal more power and therefore must equal more risk. This means the government can sell this to most of the sheep and if you try and say different the sheep will do the governments bleating shouting you down.

If there was any truth to the number then they would still require several years statistics to proof the change in the risk ratios before they could think about changing the ACC levies. Sadly ACC is likely to last 3 more years.

**SMOKEU** · 14th November 2011, 13:39

Am I right in saying that all the learner legal bikes (when the new laws come in) are under 60hp? I've seen that the CBR400RR and ZXR400 aren't allowed for learners (which is fair enough).

**Kermit250** · 14th November 2011, 14:47

Just thought it to be ironic that the bikes that the government deem: "Safe for learners", can fit into the "high risk" category

**Kermit250** · 14th November 2011, 14:49

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Am I right in saying that all the learner legal bikes (when the new laws come in) are under 60hp? I've seen that the CBR400RR and ZXR400 aren't allowed for learners (which is fair enough).

Anything above 150kw per ton is not allowed or above 660cc

I guess shouting inflated power figures could be a bit of a bummer now huh? lol

**riffer** · 14th November 2011, 15:01

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Agreed. Your tag line is a good answer to the question. Will the ACC levy for over 600cc be dropped? answer = pissing in the wind.

Trouble with the levy, apart from the faulty maths that is used to justify it, is it fits the simple formula those in the public that don't think can understand. More CC equal more power and therefore must equal more risk. This means the government can sell this to most of the sheep and if you try and say different the sheep will do the governments bleating shouting you down.

If there was any truth to the number then they would still require several years statistics to proof the change in the risk ratios before they could think about changing the ACC levies. Sadly ACC is likely to last 3 more years.

Hammer, nail. FWIW I have the personal ear of the Labour spokesperson for ACC, but, unless something miraculous happens, I can't see that being of much use.

**superman** · 14th November 2011, 15:39

Is there a confirmed date for this change yet? Or is it still in the 2010-2020 plan list...

**Kermit250** · 14th November 2011, 15:42

October 2012, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ru...t-2011-qa.html

**p.dath** · 14th November 2011, 16:19

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Just thought it to be ironic that the bikes that the government deem: "Safe for learners", can fit into the "high risk" category

Carefull what you try and point out. Next thing they'll be targeting inexperienced learners ...

**Swoop** · 14th November 2011, 16:36

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will the "high risk" above 600 CC acc levies be adjusted to recognise that they aren't such a high risk after all?

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what? so even though He hyo obviously isn't a "high risk" as it will be learner legal, you still pay high risk rego?

"high risk" in politician speak = "high taxability".

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I have the personal ear of the Labour spokesperson for ACC, but, unless something miraculous happens, I can't see that being of much use.

Is this some sort of "collect the set" situation? If not, burn the fucking thing until it screams with pain. Labour will do nothing in our favour, despite what lies they tell us prior to an election.

**CookMySock** · 15th November 2011, 08:41

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Labour will do nothing in our favour, despite what lies they tell us prior to an election.

They're all the same, and that's never going to change.

All they want to talk about is some new tax, or implement some new world bank fundraiser. All of them. Do the numbers on what really goes to the govt after your initial PAYE, plus GST, plus 100% of all your RUC/Rego/Rates/Other, fat excise tax on alcohol and fuel and fags, and realise very quickly that you don't work for yourself.

There is only one reason to vote for anyone at all, and that is to give them consent to rule over you.

Google "boston tea party".