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    Ke125

    So I picked up an old Kawasaki KE125 for $55, its an old dual purpose machine supposedly developing 13.5 Hp at 7500 rpm, figured it could be a reasonable platform for a bucket mainly because of the rotary disk valve inlet.
    Measured the port timing and found the following
    Inlet 115/55 = 170 deg
    Transfers 111 deg
    Exhaust 163 deg
    Rod length 96mm, big end pin 20mm/50mm
    Piston pin to piston crown height 34mm
    deck height 1.2mm
    So that’s how it arrived but obviously that’s not how it could remain.

    I read and absorbed the ESE thread which gave me the basis and links for a respectable engine design, I then acquired a copy of Professor Blairs ‘the basic design of 2 strokes which mostly went over my head but there was also some serious info I could apply to the build.
    Settled on a target BMEP, peak RPM and calculated the following STA’s.

    9.5 BAR 10750 RPM CONFIGURATION
    from Blair calcs
    power kW 21.96
    exhaust area 0.0147
    exhaust blow-down 0.00095
    transfer area .01605-0.008
    inlet time area 0.018

    The disk diameter turn out to be a somewhat limiting factor but the required STA could be achieved using 225 deg duration, likewise the single exhaust port would hamper blow down.

    After talking to TZ I decided to run with the Wiseco KX125 piston as they are readily available and had been proven in the ESE bikes. The connecting rod took a couple of attempts to get right (due to the TKRJ catalogue measurements for the KMX125 rod being incorrect) but in the end I settled on a DT125 rod. The cranks required modification thankfully this is exactly the sort of thing Gigglebutton is good at. Next step was to purchase port map analyzer software, found all the STA’s above were achievable - 128deg transfers, 196deg exhaust and 225deg inlet would do the trick.
    Set to work cutting and porting, started with the exhaust port then moved on to the transfers which presented the first major design flaw, as standard the transfer ducts have no inner radius. I added epoxy to the inner wall to achieve what I hope is a reasonable curve then widened and changed the angels of the ports. The disk was the easiest mod although I chose not to go all the way to 225deg settling on 215deg for testing.
    The carburetion is to be handled by a Keihin PWK and the ignition is a complete system off a KX125 (no money for a ignitech)

    So after many months of being side tracked with other things I finally have this motor together so now its off to the dyno to find out if its been worth while!
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    As a side note I told the wife I could complete this motor for a couple of hundred dollars, I failed miserably but have managed to hide most of the costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    As a side note I told the wife I could complete this motor for a couple of hundred dollars, I failed miserably but have managed to hide most of the costs
    As every grown man should.

    Looks tidy. Promising. Bet you are keen to see the dyno results.
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    I used to race a KE100 back when 100cc 2T's were the max you could race.

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    Great work Kel !! I hope it works as well as it looks ..

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    Hope it goes like a rocket man.

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    Nice, is it running as a 125 or a 100?

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    Its definitely a 125 Gav.
    I dont expect to see the 29 crank hp that the calcs suggest as I've had to make a couple of 'just get it going' compromises, end goal is a kart track useable 24hp (50% more power than my FXR).
    20+ years ago I also had a KE/KH100 Taz, port timing was copied straight off the G31M racer.

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    Hi Kel
    Sounds like your $55+ engine could be a real threat!

    What frame etc are you going to use ?

    Cheers
    Grant

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    Quote Originally Posted by kel View Post
    . . . had to make a couple of 'just get it going' compromises, . . ..
    Boy I know what you mean there. my current 100 is full of them.
    Don't you look at my accountant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantman View Post
    Hi Kel
    Sounds like your $55+ engine could be a real threat!

    What frame etc are you going to use ?

    Cheers
    Grant
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    Just like the one above.
    Tried to buy Brens RS125 which had been modified to take the KE engine but some wealthy farmer from the tropical south west offered more than I could match, Husaberg?
    Grant, haven't seen you for months, are you coming to the track next weekend?

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    Hmm, I thought Max bought Bren's
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Hmm, I thought Max bought Bren's
    Is that the one that had a video posted on KB with a skinhead rideing it up a driveway? If yes why was it parted out? It looked like a nicely put together machine.

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    Yeah it was well put together. I think he realised he was just too big for it. I think 'skinhead' has some funny overtures, not everyones hair style is by choice. He's a top bloke.

    He's next racing the new one this weekend in an RG250 chassis with RS125 running gear, tank etc at Ruapuna. I wouldn't bet against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    I think he realised he was just too big for it.
    You calling Bren fat?
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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