Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

**Berries** · 7th December 2011, 10:43

NZTA have just released their draft document on how to deal with road safety for motorcyclists. They are looking for comments so now is an opportunity to get your view across to them.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/consultation...ide/index.html

**Swoop** · 7th December 2011, 12:29

2.2.1 Scandinavian research 4 indicates that, even if all road users complied with all road rules, fatalities would only fall by around 50% and serious crashes by 30%. Putting this in a New Zealand context, if everybody obeyed all the road rules, there would still be around 200 road deaths each year (based on present fatalities).

It is interesting that our authorities fail to realise this. They continue as if "zero deaths" is an achievable target.

**Katman:Me** · 7th December 2011, 13:17

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It is interesting that our authorities fail to realise this. They continue as if "zero deaths" is an achievable target.

Almost as interesting as people like yourself who don't seem to give a fuck how high the toll is.

**Bassmatt** · 7th December 2011, 14:05

The Safe System approach

Safer Journeys introduces the Safe System approach towards road safety. It represents a fundamental shift in the way we think about, and act upon, road safety. It recognises that:

People will always make mistakes and that crashes are inevitable.
The human body has a limited capacity to withstand crash forces
The whole system needs to be managed to make the road transport network more accommodating of human error.

This requires a shared responsibility among road controlling authorities, policy makers, motorcyclists, the vehicle industry, and central and local governments.

What about other road users? Do they not have to share in the responsibility?

**5150** · 7th December 2011, 14:06

Perhaps another justification for our beloved ACC minister Prick Smith to increase our ACC levies again?

**MSTRS:Me** · 7th December 2011, 14:26

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The Safe System approach

Safer Journeys introduces the Safe System approach towards road safety. It represents a fundamental shift in the way we think about, and act upon, road safety. It recognises that:

People will always make mistakes and that crashes are inevitable.
The human body has a limited capacity to withstand crash forces
The whole system needs to be managed to make the road transport network more accommodating of human error.

This requires a shared responsibility among road controlling authorities, policy makers, motorcyclists, the vehicle industry, and central and local governments.

What about other road users? Do they not have to share in the responsibility?

Excellent point. And amply illustrates the subtle forms of anti-motorcycle propaganda that are rife in this country.
Make a submission to that effect.

**Paul in NZ** · 7th December 2011, 14:36

I dunno - I must have read a billion documents like this. Lots of nice words designed to disguise the fact that there is feck all 'we will' and dates by which this WILL be done and where the $$ is coming from.

I fell asleep ......

**Bassmatt** · 7th December 2011, 14:49

Im getting worried now...
speed is managed to safe levels through more appropriate speed limits, self-explaining roads that encourage safe speeds and devices such as intelligent speed assist

**Swoop** · 7th December 2011, 14:56

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Almost as interesting as people like yourself who don't seem to give a fuck how high the toll is.

Perhaps I do?

Maybe I'm a realist? At least the Scandinavians have some common sense left.

**Berries** · 7th December 2011, 14:58

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Im getting worried now...
speed is managed to safe levels through more appropriate speed limits, self-explaining roads that encourage safe speeds and devices such as intelligent speed assist

I Imagine ISA will go on trucks first, then cars, then motorbikes, but there are a lot of hurdles for any government to get over before they start implementing that kind of thing.

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What about other road users? Do they not have to share in the responsibility?

I think the point of putting a draft document out is to get feedback like that, to them though as it is pointless writing on here. I did think the same thing myself a couple of times btw.

**Renegade** · 7th December 2011, 15:09

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Almost as interesting as people like yourself who don't seem to give a fuck how high the toll is.

I dont give a fuck how high it is, while it would be nice to have it low i accept that i cant control other peoples fuck ups, only my own, nor can i control fate, and unless we all drive slot cars then there will be fucks ups/ deaths, even then slot cars come off the track eh.

**Katman:Me** · 7th December 2011, 15:11

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I dont give a fuck how high it is, while it would be nice to have it low i accept that i cant control other peoples fuck ups, only my own, nor can i control fate, and unless we all drive slot cars then there will be fucks ups/ deaths, even then slot cars come off the track eh.

Let's see if you're still singing the same tune when you're stuck with riding around on a 125 because the government has decided that bigger motorcycles are too dangerous and we can't be trusted on them.

**The Singing Chef** · 7th December 2011, 15:13

Hay bales and foam pits around every corner, dividing barrier through the middle of the road around 10cm high so that cars don't cross the bloody thing.
Motorcyclists only roads, proper roads... the list goes on.

**oneofsix** · 7th December 2011, 15:19

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Im getting worried now...
speed is managed to safe levels through more appropriate speed limits, self-explaining roads that encourage safe speeds and devices such as intelligent speed assist

Expect more of asleep at the wheel drivers
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/mo...rash-claims-up

As expected they put is down to fatigue, I put it down to boredom. The more they slow you down when it is not require the more the drivers brain will shutdown (asleep) or find other things to do (distracted).

**Brian d'marge** · 7th December 2011, 16:31

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Let's see if you're still singing the same tune when you're stuck with riding around on a 125 because the government has decided that bigger motorcycles are too dangerous and we can't be trusted on them.

BSA Bantam ...hell yes

Stephen