Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Conquiztador]

Laudable, but unfortunately a pipe dream. We've (society in general) had our opportunity to take individual responsibilty for ourselves and the youth courts are full of shining examples of exactly why it doesnt work. Were not in the 50's anymore, were in a world that exists on television and in the media, and where anything seen in colour must be true, and as long as the muppets of the world have something to copycat the will continue to do so because our retarded PC world has given them the right to do so. Only a return to, in your view draconian, regulation will fix that, because personal responsibility sure as shit hasnt.

In my world giving up is never an option. I might or I might not be the one who comes up with the answer/a way for bikers to be heard. In any case I will keep on supporting any cause I think has merit and making my voice heard if I think it is worth it. But if it all is swept from under my feet I would like to know that I did my bit and it failed. This will then give me the excuse to take the FTW path and ride outside the law.

NOTE: Higher ACC, higer petrol prices, added levies will never stop me riding. In fact I can see something good coming out of them: Only the dedicated will keep on riding, and so more space on the roads for me. What I am all for is stopping more draconian legislation dumbing down motor bikes and riding.

[Scuba_Steve]

Laudable, but unfortunately a pipe dream. We've (society in general) had our opportunity to take individual responsibilty for ourselves and the youth courts are full of shining examples of exactly why it doesnt work. Were not in the 50's anymore, were in a world that exists on television and in the media, and where anything seen in colour must be true, and as long as the muppets of the world have something to copycat the will continue to do so because our retarded PC world has given them the right to do so. Only a return to, in your view draconian, regulation will fix that, because personal responsibility sure as shit hasnt.

Boy this is your lucky day, I have the country just for you, a country with the high volume of govt oppression you pine for & I'm sure we (KB) cant start a fund to get you to this "dream" place of yours (North Korea)

[Brian407]

It IS the Bishop.......
"Only a return to Draconian legislation will fix that" FFS!
Running for the hills, begin!

Still quoting things out of context i see. You did note that Conquiztador used the word as descriptor first, didnt you. Oh, wait, what am I thinking, you dont actually care do you? as long as it suits your needs.

[Brian407]

In my world giving up is never an option.

Who said anything about 'giving up'. Have you not been paying attention? The whole reason i'm pissed off with this place in the first place is because some fucker said giving up was easier than fighting. I just think the predominant focus here is wrong.

[Brian407]

Boy this is your lucky day, I have the country just for you, a country with the high volume of govt oppression you pine for & I'm sure we (KB) cant start a fund to get you to this "dream" place of yours (North Korea)

No thanks, been on the other side of the border and didnt like it much, but I betcha they have a low 'accident' rate.

[NONONO]

Still quoting things out of context i see. You did note that Conquiztador used the word as descriptor first, didnt you. Oh, wait, what am I thinking, you dont actually care do you? as long as it suits your needs.

Erm..nope, sorry, still just sounds like nonsense, just drivel. Not heard any one option from you yet, just insults and moans.
Can you come back when you have a valid point, we've already exceeded our troll quota.

[Conquiztador]

Who said anything about 'giving up'. Have you not been paying attention? The whole reason i'm pissed off with this place in the first place is because some fucker said giving up was easier than fighting. I just think the predominant focus here is wrong.

Yep, I was paying attention. But I can only speak for my self and the "not giving up" was entirely a reflection on my own view re all this. As I think you have at an earlier stage (or perhaps in another thread?) observed; this is a public forum and the contributors are from all sorts of background, education and convictions. As a result you will get what you get. You need to grow a thick skin and learn how to focus on the replies that helps whatever crusade you are on. I failed on that point early on too. Now I try to only focus on what is written as that is what matters here; address the posting not the poster. Anyhow, I am sure you knew all that.

[Scuba_Steve]

No thanks, been on the other side of the border and didnt like it much, but I betcha they have a low 'accident' rate.

and yet you want to bring that kinda Govt oppression here

[Brian407]

and yet you want to bring that kinda Govt oppression here

Being a little over dramatic aren't you ? We've had nothing even close to a dictator since Muldoon fell off his perch.

[Madness]

I'm sure we (KB) cant start a fund to get you to this "dream" place of yours (North Korea)

I'm in for an easy $20

[Brian407]

I'm in for an easy $20

Happy to provide an account number for all donations. I feel another overseas trip coming on.

[trustme]

Well this thread is coming along nicely.

We have moved from bitch slap to pointless drivel. Where are the mods when you need them.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yeah, why would we wanna learn from something that works elsewhere.

A wise man learns from his mistakes, an even wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.

Shall we start to talk about cheesecutters, then?

What govts around the world do is try things, maybe to justify their own existence or perhaps some things seem like a good idea. True, some are. Some are not (like cheesecutters, where bikes are concerned).
You are right about the wise man. Where you go wrong is assuming he exists within the NZ govt...

[Katman]

The sooner we all agree that there's too many motorcycle accidents and it's up to us to reduce them, the sooner we might start seeing some progress.

[Clockwork]

The sooner we all agree that there's too many motorcycle accidents and it's up to us to reduce them, the sooner we might start seeing some progress.

Mr Katman.


Please.


Explain to me what I/we can do to stop other riders from having accidents.


Not wishin' to tempt fate here but personally, I've been doin' fine on four wheels and two wheels for about the last 35 years.