Should we be changing the Give Way rule? (POLL)

**theseekerfinds** · 29th January 2012, 16:37

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

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Well thats shit from start to finish, I have provided many times why the current law is logical & superior.

ha ha ha, not likely mate.. you prove nothing but your own inadequacies and poor judgement to be the basis of your opinions.. but as they are yours I will not refer to them as shit because they are yours and you are entitled to them..

**Clockwork** · 29th January 2012, 17:52

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

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We are all part of the problem "chum" for having to rely on rear vision in order to make decisions about what happpens up front! We create a safety problem - or the potential for it - by relying on our (largely) inadequate rearview mirrors to decide if we are safe to turn in front of a vehicle or not. I too have to use the method u described -a quick rear check and if it looks like the vehicle behind is coming beside me,.. I can do a left turn. But that it unsafe always was and will be if it continues. Often the following vehicles don't indicate, or they do,..but still don't turn.
Get over it - the law was a bad one that is why it is going out the window. If you are arguing that the current system is good, or can be made good - that's your right - but you are defending a dead rubbber. It is being reversed because it was a failure....and was from the outset in 1977 when I 1st saw it introduced as a biker and cager at that time. It was hugely and widely ridiculed. It was dumped everywhere else decades ago. It has come to be accepted I guess by younger people in particular who have gotten into driving/riding since 1977...or older people who just can't see past their arse...cos they always looking out back.

I've been an NZ licence holder since 1976 (although I can't remember if the rule changed before I got my licence or after). I recall when I returned to NZ after 15 Years in the UK I though it was a stupid rule but you know what? I've re-adapted to it, I can see its good points and I can see that a lot of our intersections are now designed with that ruile in mind.

Frankly, I'd be quite happy for the rule to stay as it is but I guess I'll live with the change too. I was simply pointing out that its not hat hard to give way if your turning left, you should already have a fair idea of what's behind you anyway then you just wait to see if the guy following passes you, if he does you can go, if he don't you cant, simple as that and you don't need to look in your mirror to see if he's turning behind you!!

**YellowDog** · 29th January 2012, 19:16

Originally Posted by Clockwork

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I've been an NZ licence holder since 1976 (although I can't remember if the rule changed before I got my licence or after). I recall when I returned to NZ after 15 Years in the UK I though it was a stupid rule but you know what? I've re-adapted to it, I can see its good points and I can see that a lot of our intersections are now designed with that ruile in mind.

Frankly, I'd be quite happy for the rule to stay as it is but I guess I'll live with the change too. I was simply pointing out that its not hat hard to give way if your turning left, you should already have a fair idea of what's behind you anyway then you just wait to see if the guy following passes you, if he does you can go, if he don't you cant, simple as that and you don't need to look in your mirror to see if he's turning behind you!!

If you have been in the UK for 15 years, do you agree that courteous driver (not London) have it as an unwritten rule?

In the UK, when turning left, I would generally let the person tuening right in front of me go first: Especially if it was a hot chick

**Berries** · 29th January 2012, 23:50

Nice airbags.

**Clockwork** · 30th January 2012, 08:15

Originally Posted by YellowDog

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If you have been in the UK for 15 years, do you agree that courteous driver (not London) have it as an unwritten rule?

In the UK, when turning left, I would generally let the person tuening right in front of me go first: Especially if it was a hot chick

Yeah, definitely drivers are more courteous over there, I suspect its an extension of the culture that queues and waits to take its turn.

(But then may be they needed to be, else they'd never get to make a right turn)

**Jantar** · 30th January 2012, 09:38

I have driven in four countries other than New Zealand. Although this is a limited sample it is my experience that the tighter the road rules, the less driver courtesy, and the more liberal the road rules the greater driver courtesy. I won't try and extrapolate that into accident rates though.

**YellowDog** · 30th January 2012, 12:27

Originally Posted by Jantar

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I have driven in four countries other than New Zealand. Although this is a limited sample it is my experience that the tighter the road rules, the less driver courtesy, and the more liberal the road rules the greater driver courtesy. I won't try and extrapolate that into accident rates though.

NZ is the No.1 developed country I've been to for deaths on the road. And I have been to a lot of countries.

Kids drive too young.
No requirement for insurance.
No requirement to be responsible or considerate.
Why not overtake on a blind bend? Everyone seems to.
Police seem more interested in low hanging fruit.
Road users lives appear to be less worthy of protection than they do in Europe.

These factors, plus may more contribute towards poor driving standards. It's tough being a motorcyclist in NZ however once you realise what a reletively dangerous place it is, you just need to take more care and let morons be morons.

NZ is No.1 in many other more positive respects

**Badjelly** · 30th January 2012, 12:35

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

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ha ha ha, not likely mate.. you prove nothing but your own inadequacies and poor judgement to be the basis of your opinions.. but as they are yours I will not refer to them as shit because they are yours and you are entitled to them..

What a marvellous example of what "respect for another's opinion" means in practice.

Fuck all.

**Trade_nancy** · 30th January 2012, 15:46

Originally Posted by YellowDog

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If you have been in the UK for 15 years, do you agree that courteous driver (not London) have it as an unwritten rule?

In the UK, when turning left, I would generally let the person tuening right in front of me go first: Especially if it was a hot chick

Nice and courteous it may be..but the driver you let go could be ticketed for failure to give way if spotted by a cop.

**Sliver** · 31st January 2012, 13:57

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Nice and courteous it may be..but the driver you let go could be ticketed for failure to give way if spotted by a cop.

The cop would have to be having a bad day for that..

**oneofsix** · 31st January 2012, 13:59

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Nice and courteous it may be..but the driver you let go could be ticketed for failure to give way if spotted by a cop.

yes and they should also ticket the "courteous driver" for obstructing traffic.

**Scuba_Steve** · 31st January 2012, 14:03

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Nice and courteous it may be..but the driver you let go could be ticketed for failure to give way if spotted by a cop.

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yes and they should also ticket the "courteous driver" for obstructing traffic.

Yea, after all "the law is the law" right people???

Still one of the more retarded sayings out there

**Trade_nancy** · 31st January 2012, 14:38

Originally Posted by Sliver

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The cop would have to be having a bad day for that..

Back in the 1972 I pulled out of my parent's driveway and up the road to a give way sign - on my Honda CB125...do a right turn and head for church...or the pub, I can't remember too much detail...and a car coming from straight ahead had just reached the intersection as I started to pull off to turn in front of him..so I hesitated, stopped for him in the road centre... and just as I did he waved me across. There was a cop on a bike another car behind him. Yes,..true...seems a bugger of bad luck...but there really were a lot of them out in those days...Pulled me up, waved his finger and let me off with a stern warning...told me - it's not optional or choice for you to make...you MUST give way unless the other vehicle has became disabled. There ya go...you've been warned

**YellowDog** · 31st January 2012, 15:01

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Back in the 1972 I pulled out of my parent's driveway and up the road to a give way sign - on my Honda CB125...do a right turn and head for church...or the pub, I can't remember too much detail...and a car coming from straight ahead had just reached the intersection as I started to pull off to turn in front of him..so I hesitated, stopped for him in the road centre... and just as I did he waved me across. There was a cop on a bike another car behind him. Yes,..true...seems a bugger of bad luck...but there really were a lot of them out in those days...Pulled me up, waved his finger and let me off with a stern warning...told me - it's not optional or choice for you to make...you MUST give way unless the other vehicle has became disabled. There ya go...you've been warned

But

officer; the fact that he waived me on led me to believe that he had indeed become disabled, or at least partially retarded

I'd invite said

to look a complete dick in front of a judge.

I guess he could always plant some drugs on me to make it worth his while