Should we be changing the Give Way rule? (POLL)

**Scuba_Steve** · 25th January 2012, 14:20

Originally Posted by scumdog

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Can't be naffed reading through all the crap on this thread but does anybody know a reason the law was changed to its present status way back??

take a guess... we copied Victoria, Sound familiar???

Tho NZTA say it was for logical reasons
"New Zealand’s current give way rules were introduced in 1977, at a time when the country had many more uncontrolled intersections and rapidly increasing traffic volumes, leading to increasing conflicts between turning traffic."

**steve_t** · 25th January 2012, 14:28

We copied Vic in 1977 but Vic realised it was an idiotic mistake to change it and promptly changed it back...

**Jantar** · 25th January 2012, 14:35

Originally Posted by scumdog

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Can't be naffed reading through all the crap on this thread but does anybody know a reason the law was changed to its present status way back??

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We copied Vic in 1977 but Vic realised it was an idiotic mistake to change it and promptly changed it back...

Yep, steve_t got it in one. There was talk about changing it back about the same time Vic did, but the Minister of Transport at the time was the same minister who introduced it under Muldoon, and the government of the day didn't want to have egg on their face.

**Swoop** · 25th January 2012, 14:43

Originally Posted by oneofsix

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I understand the sentiment and know we use those sort of figures as generalizations but whilst we aren't the worlds best we are also not really that bad.

I see it "horizontally", meaning that every driver has a percentage of good and bad skills.
An "average driver" might be 60% bad/40% good driving skills. Most are never conciously aware of their bad habits and this drives up the overall "crappy" driving reputation we deserve.

Time for a joke:
"I write the phone numbers of all of my mistresses on the cars’ rear-view mirror. She would never think of looking there!"

**Sliver** · 25th January 2012, 14:54

lol

**oneofsix** · 25th January 2012, 14:57

Originally Posted by Swoop

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I see it "horizontally", meaning that every driver has a percentage of good and bad skills.
An "average driver" might be 60% bad/40% good driving skills. Most are never conciously aware of their bad habits and this drives up the overall "crappy" driving reputation we deserve.

Fair call. It also covers why we nut off at one drivers bad skill, say keeping left, whilst fuking up round about indication. Of course personally I do both perfekly all the time, just like I spell.

**Big Dave** · 25th January 2012, 15:18

The reason it was introduced in Melbourne was the Trams. But it didn't work there either.

They still have some intersections where you have to pull over to the left kerb and wait for the right turn arrow - to keep the tracks clear.

**Scuba_Steve** · 25th January 2012, 15:40

does anyone know how many crashes currently happen??? Stumbled across the IHC dept known as the Govt claiming the retardation of the rule will mean 2560 fewer crashes a year.
I'm assuming that's as accurate as their ACC accounting, but it would be nice to have numbers to compare before/after the illogical rule becomes law

**scumdog** · 25th January 2012, 15:44

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

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does anyone know how many crashes currently happen??? Stumbled across the IHC dept known as the Govt claiming the retardation of the rule will mean 2560 fewer crashes a year.
I'm assuming that's as accurate as their ACC accounting, but it would be nice to have numbers to compare before/after the illogical rule becomes law

Dunno but if people gave way at Give Ways and stopped at Stops it might reduce the figure by shitload too...

**MVnut** · 25th January 2012, 16:55

So how f**king stupid is the law we've had to obey for ages!! When Aussie adopted this rule, NZ immediately followed suit.... nine months later Aussie realised the rule was crap and changed it back, we only take a weeeeeee bit longer

**theseekerfinds** · 25th January 2012, 17:45

Having experienced the "new" laws for many years living over in the West Island I was horrified to encounter the "current" NZ right/left turn laws upon moving to NZ. whilst some on here seem to rave on about logic this and logic that they provide zero logic in their position of why the "current" law is so correct, while others are able to present valid points on why the "current" law is potentially dangerous for those waiting to turn left and the "new" law should be introduced.
I personally support the "new" law for no other reason than to me it is a safer option for left turning traffic and as far as I am concerned if you are turning right across the flow of traffic you should wait for a clear space before you progress anyway.. for those who are averse to change I guess you will get the hang of it after a while as you observe the way it works, I mean hell what's a bit of patience now and then

**Brian407** · 25th January 2012, 18:16

Originally Posted by Sliver

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Quick Poll on Fellow KBERs opinions.

Irrelevant question, it's a done deal, but if you'd spent any time driving in other countries, like many of us have, you wouldnt be asking.

**Sliver** · 25th January 2012, 20:13

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Irrelevant question, it's a done deal, but if you'd spent any time driving in other countries, like many of us have, you wouldnt be asking.

Right, Let me educate you in the word "Irrelevant"

Adjective:
Not connected with or relevant to something.

This is a Motorbike site, We ride on the road hence the road rules apply to us, Making it very relevant.

like i have said in another post, i know this isnt going to change anything, i just wanted to know what other kbers thought.