Give Way rule change

[rastuscat]

We've been asked to have another look at hammering the law that says that if you turn into a multi lane road, you have to turn into the adjacent lane i.e. turning left into a dual lane, turn into the left lane, if right, turn into the right lane.

How would you feel if we stopped you and billed you for $150 for turning into the wrong lane?

The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

[onearmedbandit]

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The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

No they can't. After being abused numerous times for 'not knowing my fucking road code' after turning into the closest lane, I'll never trust that despite having legal right of way I'm safe to do so.

[Gremlin]

There would need to be a period of reminder first I think.

A ref: http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=vict...on+st&t=m&z=18

Turning left from Victoria St West (approaching from east) into Hobson St (it's one way south - 4 full time lanes) there are two lanes turning left (but the right one also goes straight). Counting from left, legally, left lane turns into lane 1, right lane would turn into lane 2 (allowing the others to turn right into Hobson from Victoria St - except the lights do not allow this). In practise, this would be suicide. Left lane usually uses first two lanes, right lane uses the second two lanes.

I've turned from the right lane, left into Hobson St, and had a car on my inside turn into lane 3 (counting from left), and I've had to avoid them, beep at them etc.

So for my health (if you can understand what I've tried to explain) I won't be following the rule any time soon and I'll consider my health first.

ps... this isn't going to be one of those epic threads is it?

[Hopeful Bastard]

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How would you feel if we stopped you and billed you for $150 for turning into the wrong lane?

The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

I'd be annoyed, But at least i would've learnt me lesson...



Furthermore on this, Many many MANY of times there has been dual lanes exiting the traffic lights. I know to turn into the lane closest to me (If turning right, Right lane. If turning left, Left lane) but other road users dont seem to think I am in the right. They want to use up ALL the road.

There totally needs to be more awareness of what to do in such circumstances as at the moment, I feel safer waiting at the lights to turn left holding traffic behind me up than I do continuing on my way.

If you were to watch EVERY set of traffic lights in NZ for a week or 2 and pull those that are either ignorant of the rules Or just plain f*cking dumb to the side of the road and have a chat... Then sure. Ticket them.

[Kickaha]

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The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

New law? I thought it's always been like that, just the ignorant cunts always ignore it, unfortunately driving a sign written vehicle I'm not allowed to yell abuse and use rude gestures

Fucking good job, you should get your daily quota KPI within minutes but I think I will still be looking out to be cut off every time I'm turning left

[Berries]

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The new law means that the car turning left into a multi lane can do so without having to worry about the car coming the other way and turning right, as both can go, as always they should have.

What say you?

The old law said the same thing so there is no change whatsoever. Turning on to the one way system in Dunedin is a classic example as every intersection has two lanes to turn in to but people piss around waiting so long to see what the other person is going to do. The law has not been enforced or advertised for so long that left turners are made to feel guilty for doing what they are meant to do.

Where you will run in to PR problems is where you enforce it when there is no other traffic around. Yes, yes, education through the wallet for some, but even further revenue gathering comments from others. Any demerits on this offence?

And the old problem, what if someone wants to turn left and them immediately right, or right then immediately left as I do on the way to work. Not enough time to signal the lane change so if there is no traffic I will turn in to the 'wrong' lane. Will continue to do so and will be pissed if I get ticketed for doing it. Which I probably will because this is exactly the type of intersection where spotters will be employed as it is easier to park than some of the others where it may be more of an issue.

Before going out and issuing tickets though I would spend a few months getting your own staff up to speed with the road rules, existing and new. And of course, you could approach road controlling authorities beforehand and see whether they want to paint some lane lines through the intersection to guide people in to the correct lane. The problem here is that this may achieve high compliance with the Rule and thus not be a great revenue earner. Not sure how that could be balanced against the massive social cost and trauma caused by this particular high risk practice, as against something like red light runners for example.

[merv]

Very happy that you would apply some "education" (by way of ticketing the dumbarses) to get them to understand what they are meant to do.

The next one you could then concentrate on for me is to get everyone to keep left when they aren't passing anyone. The annoying ones are those that just block the right lane like a pace car and sit just a few annoying metres behind the vehicle that they should either be passing or accepting they should pull in behind it and let the traffic trying to go legal speed to go by.

[MSTRS:Me]

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New law? I thought it's always been like that, just the ignorant cunts always ignore it, unfortunately driving a sign written vehicle I'm not allowed to yell abuse and use rude gestures

Fucking good job, you should get your daily quota KPI within minutes but I think I will still be looking out to be cut off every time I'm turning left

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Hammer the fuck out of the ignorant coonts.
Revenue-gathering in the name of safety that we can all understand...

[Lelitu]

while the new give way rules have no effect on the rules governing which lane to turn into, it's about time that those rules were actually enforced for once. I see people ignoring it all the time, and making extremely hazardous lane shifts.

it's as good a time as any to start enforcing them.
an while $150 is bloody painful for me as a student, it's not a bad idea, though it should come with attached demerits for the dangerous driving.

[Scuba_Steve]

I say skip the 150$ this comes down to ignorance (mostly), so just inform them to start.
I would like to see NZTA run ads informing people of the rules like this, keep left unless overtaking, don't impede the flow of traffic etc but they refuse to as it ain't the money makers. So despite the fact people should know, most are driving on ignorance & just need to be told rather than inforced (to start with anyways)
Also as mentioned the new rule changes nothing from old in this instance, I hope you weren't ignorant of this fact? It's hard to tell from your writing if you were ignorant or just pointing out that the left turners will have the "assumed" right of way under new law?

[Usarka]

Can you also do a blitz on giving way at uncontrolled intersections? If you sat outside my local supermarket you'd make 20x your quota in 1/2 hour.

[steve_t]

What's the best way to turn right into a dual lane road where you want to go into the first driveway on the left (which is about 15m from the intersection?

If there's going to be an advertising campaign, please remind people of how to indicate properly on roundabouts and that it is important to indicate. Thanks

[steve_t]

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Can you also do a blitz on giving way at uncontrolled intersections? If you sat outside my local supermarket you'd make 20x your quota in 1/2 hour.

But that changes in 7 weeks time...

[Usarka]

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But that changes in 7 weeks time...

Heh I didn't know that bit was changing, everything I've seen and heard has only been about the turning left into a side street..

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/arou...FaFMpgodmw58tA

Edit: Even more reason for the coppers to blitz it now. That'll really fuck with peoples heads

[steve_t]

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Heh I didn't know that bit was changing, everything I've seen and heard has only been about the turning left into a side street..

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/arou...FaFMpgodmw58tA

Edit: Even more reason for the coppers to blitz it now. That'll really fuck with peoples heads

LOL. Yeah, a carpark entrance is currently classified as an uncontrolled T intersection so scrolling down your link page to "Change 2:" means that it'll change to what everyone (most people) already does. Whenever I stop short of the entrance and let the person out, as per the current rule, I get weird looks. This change will be good.