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[FJRider]

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Yes, but who defines what is safe? And what level of safety and risk is acceptable?

Is this not supposed to be a democracy? Under a democracy is not a referendum a valid way to decide what laws should exist?

The "rightness" of a law is an opinion. The only opinion that counts in a democracy is that of the people i.e. the result of a referendum regarding said law.

In a Democracy ... the elected goverment has the authority, to decide, what is a reasonable law .... [Sadly ... based (usually) on the lowest common denominator in (our) society] Or to change it if it is not. Using the due process, set in law ... to do this.
No rant in a "letter to the Editor" or on a public forum, will directly change that.

The outcome of a referendum is NO guarantee the goverment that initiated it ... will take ANY action to change anything .... if it is not in their interests ... or policy to do so.

[Scuba_Steve]

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In a Democracy ... the elected goverment has the authority, to decide, what is a reasonable law .... [Sadly ... based (usually) on the lowest common denominator in (our) society] Or to change it if it is not. Using the due process, set in law ... to do this.
No rant in a "letter to the Editor" or on a public forum, will directly change that.

The outcome of a referendum is NO guarantee the goverment that initiated it ... will take ANY action to change anything .... if it is not in their interests ... or policy to do so.

NO, don't confuse what we have with a democracy. We have a party led dictatorship with advisors, (there is a actual name for it but I don't remember) we are NOT a democracy, you may be told we are, but we are not.

[FJRider]

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Not if you were behind immediately prior. That's called an arrogant, ill-conceived overtake.

From the perspective of the "Overtaken vehicle" ... thats an easily understood, and agreed ... description.

From the perspective of the "overtaking vehicle" ... they are in front and don't care ...

[swbarnett]

[QUOTE=FJRider;1130250667]In a Democracy ... the elected goverment has the authority, to decide, what is a reasonable law .... [Sadly ... based (usually) on the lowest common denominator in (our) society] Or to change it if it is not. Using the due process, set in law ... to do this.[/qyote]
As Suba_Steve so rightly pointed out. This is not how a true democracy works.

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The outcome of a referendum is NO guarantee the goverment that initiated it ... will take ANY action to change anything .... if it is not in their interests ... or policy to do so.

I lived in a Switzerland for a time. My wife, being a citizen, received about four referenda per month in the post. She even got to vote on whether the proposed council budget for the next year was acceptable. The outcome of all was legally binding on the Government (federal or local depending on the context). This is far closer to a democracy than what we have i.e. "By the people." as the American founders intended.

[FJRider]

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NO, don't confuse what we have with a democracy. We have a party led dictatorship with advisors, (there is a actual name for it but I don't remember) we are NOT a democracy, you may be told we are, but we are not.

It is the system we have in place. There ARE steps to CHANGE that system. Feel free to initiate such change. If NO change is possible ... it is not a democracy.

Even if change is difficult ... but possible ...

[JMemonic]

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Cool, donut incoming.

Wait until there is nothing coming, make the turn as necessary to get into your driveway.

Right, that's morning tea sorted.

Again, remember that for every rule there is always going to be an exception. In your case, it's coz you legitimately had to do it to get to where you were genuinely headed. The numpties that piss me off most are those that crowd into the wrong lane because they need to be in that lane to get into their driveway which happens to be 1467 metres further up the road.

Extra cinnamon please.

Dam it and your logic, I was going to suggest this intersection


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All to often the folks travelling east turn into Aldwins road the dive into either, Supercheap, Warehouse stationary or the real reason that car park is so full WINZ.

On a few moments reflection you might want to target that intersection, and load a couple of tow trucks into the car park, I reckon you could get a few tows in a day.

[FJRider]

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I lived in a Switzerland for a time. My wife, being a citizen, received about four referenda per month in the post. She even got to vote on whether the proposed council budget for the next year was acceptable. The outcome of all was legally binding on the Government (federal or local depending on the context). This is far closer to a democracy than what we have i.e. "By the people." as the American founders intended.

In Switzerland ... that may be so.

Did you read the fine-print during the LAST election ... regarding the referendum ... ??? It was NOT so worded.

[Gremlin]

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Did you read the fine-print during the LAST election ... regarding the referendum ... ??? It was NOT so worded.

Well, we're idiots. We voted for less people on the gravy train, but why on earth we ever thought they'd kick some of their mates off... I don't know.

[swbarnett]

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Did you read the fine-print during the LAST election ... regarding the referendum ... ??? It was NOT so worded.

Indeed. We don't live in a true democracy even though our political system is claimed to be democratic.

[FJRider]

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Indeed. We don't live in a true democracy even though our political system is claimed to be democratic.

Vote for ME ... I'll look after you ...

[Berries]

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Here's a visitors viewpoint about NZ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10783288

It's true. Courtesy is a rare commodity on the roads over here.

But then they were Yanks.

[Ocean1]

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It's true. Courtesy is a rare commodity on the roads over here.

Perhaps. But if you take this:

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The world's deadliest roads (2010)
1 Greece 113 deaths*
2 Romania 111 deaths
3 United States 106 deaths
4= Bulgaria, Poland 102 deaths
5 Latvia 97 deaths
6 Croatia 96 deaths
7 Lithuania 90 deaths
8 New Zealand 87 deaths
9 Portugal 79 deaths
10 Belgium 77 deaths
18 Australia 60 deaths
30 Great Britain 31 deaths

*Per million pop.

And divide it by this:




It seems to indicate that we're the safest drivers in the OECD

[swbarnett]

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Vote for ME ... I'll look after you ...

The way I see it, as long as you understand the basics of government, it shouldn't matter who's in power. All the big decisions (everything beyond what the politicians have for lunch) should be decided by binding referendum.

[Drew]

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Yes, but who defines what is safe? And what level of safety and risk is acceptable?


Is this not supposed to be a democracy? Under a democracy is not a referendum a valid way to decide what laws should exist?

The "rightness" of a law is an opinion. The only opinion that counts in a democracy is that of the people i.e. the result of a referendum regarding said law.

Oh yeah, try a philosophical argument. That'll work.

Absolutely right though, the people can vote on changes. As soon as an individual put together a petition to parliament. And gets a referendum happening. Should take about, 12 years to affect a change.

[Drew]

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NO, don't confuse what we have with a democracy. We have a party led dictatorship with advisors, (there is a actual name for it but I don't remember) we are NOT a democracy, you may be told we are, but we are not.

Why don't you get into politics then? Because I for one am fuckin tired of you whinging about how anything in this country is.

Go and effect change here, or fuck off some place where you think the powers that be are onto it.