Okay, how about this?

**rastuscat** · 7th February 2012, 19:55

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
Make sure he/she has all my contact details
Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150

I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

Have at it Citizens.

Donuts.

**Kickaha** · 7th February 2012, 20:04

Sounds good to me, any chance of back dating that a week or two

and including cars

Oh yeah where do I send those donuts I owe you?

**The Singing Chef** · 7th February 2012, 20:04

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
Make sure he/she has all my contact details
Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150

I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

Have at it Citizens.

Donuts.

I love it, much better than just paying said fine and we get something out of it

**Ocean1** · 7th February 2012, 20:06

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.....

Dunno if you can administer it like this, but: Issue the ticket, that makes the associated fine the default outcome.

Hold off on processing the fine for enough time to allow completion of the course.

See if you can work it like a "diversion" set-up.

**rastuscat** · 7th February 2012, 20:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Dunno if you can administer it like this, but: Issue the ticket, that makes the associated fine the default outcome.

Hold off on processing the fine for enough time to allow completion of the course.

See if you can work it like a "diversion" set-up.

Trouble is, if the ticket gets written, it's bloody hard to get rid of. It also removes quite a bit of the flexibility, as it brings in legislated timeframes.

I'm going to try a sales pitch something like "Do the cheap training or you'll get a fist-full of tickets" sort of thing.

I had considered a free donuts for people who do training thing, but couldn't stand the idea of giving away my lifes blood.

**Subike** · 7th February 2012, 20:10

Would it be wise to find out first if the training sessions were available ?
I think they are gobbled up rather quickly by interested bikers.

Or would it be worth while suggesting this to your superiors,
To see if they would come to the party and run inhouse training events with your own mounted officers.
As a public relations move, it could be a wise thing

The attitude towards you guys by bikers
If you are seen as actively making realistic safety choices available
could make your life more enjoyable.
If you save but one life, it is worth it.

**schrodingers cat** · 7th February 2012, 20:15

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
Make sure he/she has all my contact details
Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150

I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

Have at it Citizens.

Donuts.

I think it is a bloody good idea. I'm sure a positive approach is useful given all the finger wagging we endure fas they try to get the safety message across.

I've always though it would be a good approach to issue boy racer twats with a 'get out of jail' card if they attended 2 x organised motorsport events (i.e. drags or sprint event)
For one it reinforces that it only takes as long to get to Ruapuna (where there is a racetrack) as it does to get to Sunmer (where they want one.)
It also wouldm't harm them to learn first hand how limited their skills are

Biggest draw back as I see is the need to follow up those who don't go. And also, a lot of folks would just pay the 'tax' than give up spare time

**Ocean1** · 7th February 2012, 20:15

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Trouble is, if the ticket gets written, it's bloody hard to get rid of. It also removes quite a bit of the flexibility, as it brings in legislated timeframes.

I'm going to try a sales pitch something like "Do the cheap training or you'll get a fist-full of tickets" sort of thing.

Yeah. But if the punter chooses the course and then fails to front I'm picking you've got legislated timeframe problems with retrospectively issuing a ticket too.

I like the idea, but don't make threats or promises you can't keep.

**FJRider** · 7th February 2012, 20:21

So ... if the "alledged offender" ...

1. Choses to work instead if attending the course ...
2. Finds there is no course being run in his/her area ...
3. Finds costs to get to/from the course, plus the course cost itself is over the $150 ...
4. Finds the course being run he/she has already been done, or done on a higher grade ...
5. Prefers to take the case to court in the belief they are innocent ...

It wont be held against them.

**mossy1200** · 7th February 2012, 20:22

And just like ACC levies someone will claim we arnt paying enough and we will have to pay twice the normal amount for other tickets and 3 times for bikes over 600cc.

**Pussy** · 7th February 2012, 20:23

Many moons ago, the magistrate kindly directed me to take a defensive driving course as part of my punishment.
Initially I thought it would be a crock of shit.
I was wrong. I still remember things from that course. I'm bloody pleased I did it.
I reckon you're on to a good thing there, Rastuscat.