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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    I dunno about that. Seems to be a few druggies that can live there still, and drive flash cars...
    Are you going on about TVNZ celebrities again....?

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    Fill in is not good
    you only have to look around the worlds at all the major cities
    condensed housing estates, high rise apartment buildings, close dometry type streets have all in the end led to slums,
    bad environments and rapid growth in crime, teenage pregnancy and depression,
    Humans are pack creatures sure,
    But we are also by design wanderers,
    Separating us from nature is bad, plenty of open space, trees , brush, bush, rivers, etc,
    should be all around us to evoke peace of mind and good healthy living
    Put us all in cages, watch murder, rape, and negativity grow, no matter what the income base or luxury base is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    This is very confusing. Why would they build cities without industries to employ the occupants?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ely-empty.html
    Why do WE (in NZ) fix the same bits of road even if they aint broke?..........where towns in NZ (on the east coast) have massively damaged access-ways?

    - because its someone's job to do it.

    Doesn't matter if your a road worker in Kaikohe or a builder in China. If its your livelyhood to do something stupid, you will do it so long as your paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    Is this what Kiwis want? I don't think so. We ain't sardines
    Unless we have 2 (or more ideally less) child policy, its will be the future for all of us eventually.
    Its pretty simple maths, if it takes 2 to tango, and tango = +1 more..well any more than 2 kids and your no longer keeping the population static (i.e. 1 birth = 1 death) your increasing it.

    NZ will be what Singapore is now........in about 200 years.
    Unless something changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    NZ will be what Singapore is now........in about 200 years.
    Unless something changes.
    GDP growth is the answer to all our problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Unless we have 2 (or more ideally less) child policy, its will be the future for all of us eventually.
    Its pretty simple maths, if it takes 2 to tango, and tango = +1 more..well any more than 2 kids and your no longer keeping the population static (i.e. 1 birth = 1 death) your increasing it.

    NZ will be what Singapore is now........in about 200 years.
    Unless something changes.
    Meh, it's an easy fix.

    Instead of paying 'em for each sprog charge 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Very good. We could export all of the poor people who can’t afford to live in Ponsonby there.

    Leme see, it's within an order of magnitude of the mass of a cruise ship. They cost 'prox US$6000 per gross ton to build, call it an even half a billion US dollars, aaaand as a habitat they service several tens of the clients that structure would. Ah, and a cruise ship isn't even slightly self-sufficient, they import absolutely everything, even the Margaritas.

    Cost of residency on a cruise ship, you ask?

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Smart-Buye...hips&id=721770
    I sense a hint of sarcasm in your post ... How much do office blocks cost to build? How much does the average "office" cost to rent? How much "rent"/$$$ would you get if you sold office units as flats? Fortunately houses have solar and wind power and are self-sufficient enough to not have to import the ingredients for Margaritas... otherwise there might be a slight flaw in your comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    Are you going on about TVNZ celebrities again....?
    Strangely enough, no. But that would encompass another large-ish chapter of P Rd...
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    ...if we could only talk the populace of our clean, green land (tui) who only pull their heads out of their arse to breathe or when there is something for free on offer, to leave it stuck up there for three minutes too long, our problems would be over...nirvana...there would only be a few thousand in the whole land...plenty of housing and firewood then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    I sense a hint of sarcasm in your post
    Nevermind. I've taken a fancy to this: http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/oasisoftheseas/

    Wonder if they've got a wee track around the deck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Nevermind. I've taken a fancy to this: http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/oasisoftheseas/

    Wonder if they've got a wee track around the deck...
    Iffen I got ye wrong, berate me KB styles and I will grovel and swoon at your awesomeness... holy shit that's some ship, gadgets and all. I at the Rising Tide bar. T'would make for an interesting working environment. However I was concerned at the lack of a strip club
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    GDP growth is the answer to all our problems!
    Well actually Singapore was the positive solution to our population increasing. The alternative is along the same basis as countries like Uganda etc........which is what would happen if NZ doesn't become a business hub and has 30+ Million.

    I still would prefer if we stay in the sub-10 mil category though. But at the rate we are importing + breeding, that dream will die in my lifetime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Meh, it's an easy fix.
    Instead of paying 'em for each sprog charge 'em.
    In any other country I would say that would work. In NZ we don't penalize anyone. Even the crims have it ok.
    At the best the NZ govt would produce a pamphlet about overpopulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post

    I still would prefer if we stay in the sub-10 mil category though. But at the rate we are importing + breeding, that dream will die in my lifetime.

    In any other country I would say that would work. In NZ we don't penalize anyone.
    At the best the NZ govt would produce a pamphlet about overpopulation.
    Actually I don't know if our population is expanding at all. We loose a lot of people to Australia and Britain. Growth is very slight.

    As for penalising families who have more than one child - so far as I know China is the only country in the world which does this so its unfair to suggest NZ alone could follow them.

    Furthermore its believed that the China one-child policy has failed and isn't spoken of these days. Officially it exists but in reality, province by province it is ignored. The way it works there is if you have a second child, you pay more tax. That is the exact opposite to our Family Support tax relief and similar policies throughout Europe. In our case, the more children you have the less tax you pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Furthermore its believed that the China one-child policy has failed and isn't spoken of these days. Officially it exists but in reality, province by province it is ignored. The way it works there is if you have a second child, you pay more tax. That is the exact opposite to our Family Support tax relief and similar policies throughout Europe. In our case, the more children you have the less tax you pay.
    The way it worked a couple of years ago is that the parents simply didn't admit to having a second child. The villiage cultural ambasidor knew about it, but if he failed to advise head office it didn't affect him. So because the state hadn't registered the second child it didn't exist, no education, healthcare etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Actually I don't know if our population is expanding at all. We loose a lot of people to Australia and Britain. Growth is very slight.

    As for penalising families who have more than one child - so far as I know China is the only country in the world which does this so its unfair to suggest NZ alone could follow them.

    Furthermore its believed that the China one-child policy has failed and isn't spoken of these days. Officially it exists but in reality, province by province it is ignored. The way it works there is if you have a second child, you pay more tax. That is the exact opposite to our Family Support tax relief and similar policies throughout Europe. In our case, the more children you have the less tax you pay.
    Just to prove I am not that old.......its happened in my lifetime.

    http://www.google.co.nz/publicdata/e...and+population

    So it seems we are importing more than we are importing. Probably due to the fact that we have ourselves a little paradise that we are keeping secret about. Thank god we get crappy weather otherwise we would have been pillaged by now.

    China is not the best example of a good society, but my experience of being there I was dumbstruck at how fucked they would be if they didn't have such a policy.
    But once again the whole 1-child thing would never work unless it;
    a) happened everywhere
    or (in china's case)
    b) you stop/prevent people entering the country from overseas.

    But some food for though - if we call keep breeding the bar will be raised, again and again and again..........until no one can afford 400m of land 5km from a big city. Its pretty close to that now.
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