18 months on your Restricted no matter your age and Basic Handling from 1 November

[Killaz2K]

I guess I'll just have to avoid cops when I finally upgrade to a super sport, 18 months sure is a heck of a long time.

[Tricia1000]

In order for the DDC to apply to your bike licence, you would need to have been on your bike restricted licence, the correct amount of time. So, you would have needed to do ddc again. But after 1st October, you can't use the DDC or Streettalk to shorten your time.

Hope this helps.
If you need a hand preparing for your restricted test, give me a shout.

Tricia
021 269 3246

Thats a pain in the ass. Although I suppose if the time I have been on my learners is anything to go by, I probably would not have gone for my full in 3/6 months anyway. At least we have LAMs now, so theres abit more choice for bikes to ride 'legally'.

Does anyone know if you done the defenive driving course for your car, was it(under the old law) still valid for the motorbike ? Was nearly 10 years ago though...

Nerves are already building up for restricted test next week. :S

[GrayWolf]

I'm a bit gutted about this change , not sure if it was communicated earlier or not. Guess it will stop people being able to do learners + 3 months to full (if over 25) and then jumping on an R1 after 9 months riding experience. Oh well, my Hornet treats me well and is more bike than I can handle for now anyway

Thats exactly why the new 18 month no exceptions is a great idea. it WILL stop spottysprotrider from diving onto a high performance bike with minimal actual experience, which of course some old fucker saying he cant handle it, is an old tosser and doesnt know what thy're talking about.
They are allowing up to 660cc, and now there's going to be mass bleating over a no reprieve 18 month R licence? Tell you what, lets allow the L platers R1's, ZX14's. Gixxers and be done with it, Darwin'll sort them out! Be gratefull they have'nt gone the 'full monty' and brought in the European style 'stepped licence' system where you'll have to reach a certain skill level before you are allowed to go up to a bigger bike. Hell on that premise, I'd say a good 60% of the riders I see on the 'Taka's/'Rapa would only ever get to ride a 125

[Glowerss]

Thats exactly why the new 18 month no exceptions is a great idea. it WILL stop spottysprotrider from diving onto a high performance bike with minimal actual experience, which of course some old fucker saying he cant handle it, is an old tosser and doesnt know what thy're talking about.
They are allowing up to 660cc, and now there's going to be mass bleating over a no reprieve 18 month R licence? Tell you what, lets allow the L platers R1's, ZX14's. Gixxers and be done with it, Darwin'll sort them out! Be gratefull they have'nt gone the 'full monty' and brought in the European style 'stepped licence' system where you'll have to reach a certain skill level before you are allowed to go up to a bigger bike. Hell on that premise, I'd say a good 60% of the riders I see on the 'Taka's/'Rapa would only ever get to ride a 125

Not everyone who is annoyed at getting caught in the crossfire is looking to jump onto a cbr1000rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes. Shit like bandit 650s or the new gsx650f, ninja 650, GSR 750.

The LAMS system is better then it used to be, but 18 months on the R is an awfully long time, particularly for people like myself who thought they were a scant 3 months from a full and are (apparently) getting wrapped up into the new system.

[GrayWolf]

Not everyone who is annoyed at getting caught in the crossfire is looking to jump onto a cbr1000rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes. Shit like bandit 650s or the new gsx650f, ninja 650, GSR 750.

The LAMS system is better then it used to be, but 18 months on the R is an awfully long time, particularly for people like myself who thought they were a scant 3 months from a full and are (apparently) getting wrapped up into the new system.

Simple, buy an XT660, DR650, F650, Apriliia 650, Suzuki Freewind.... you want torque so less cog swapping?? there ya go....

You may be one of the 'few' but all you have to do is read the 250 section and rider posts... 70% (conservative) think that in less than a year they are 'ready' to launch to R1/R6, Gixxer (or equivalent) status. There are plenty of bikes in LAMS that are competent machines that some people own as full time, long distance, long term ownership bikes, (GS500 for example) Now I can guarantee that we'll see threads in a few months of learners bleating how underpowered and useless their 5/600cc is and we should be allowed something with more power, yada yada yada.... Us old fuckers keep saying it.. a modern 600 is FASTER than the 1980's superbikes. The bikes have progressed technologically, but sadly evolution of the muppet in control of this advancement, progresses at a rate of thousands of years, not thousands of days.

[Glowerss]

Simple, buy an XT660, DR650, F650, Apriliia 650, Suzuki Freewind.... you want torque so less cog swapping?? there ya go....

You may be one of the 'few' but all you have to do is read the 250 section and rider posts... 70% (conservative) think that in less than a year they are 'ready' to launch to R1/R6, Gixxer (or equivalent) status. There are plenty of bikes in LAMS that are competent machines that some people own as full time, long distance, long term ownership bikes, (GS500 for example) Now I can guarantee that we'll see threads in a few months of learners bleating how underpowered and useless their 5/600cc is and we should be allowed something with more power, yada yada yada.... Us old fuckers keep saying it.. a modern 600 is FASTER than the 1980's superbikes. The bikes have progressed technologically, but sadly evolution of the muppet in control of this advancement, progresses at a rate of thousands of years, not thousands of days.

Should have mentioned I don't care much for dual sport/motards, and not sure I could get over the ridiculous seat height on most of em.

Anyway, you're not wrong about most people wanting to jump onto the supersport 600s. I work at AUT, and one walk around the carpark would see you correct. Ignoring the scooters, everything there is a hyosung 250/ninja250, an IL4 250 or any variation of 600/750 gsxrs/cbrs/ ect. There's one or two old BMW tourers, and a 750 Katana. Rest of em are all supersprots.

Anyway, mostly just wish they'd let the people who started 7 months ago to finish up under the old system. I don't think I could last another 16 or so months on my current 400. Might have to throw it into the harbour

[Tricia1000]

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/getting/...cles/time.html

[hippie]

This bites big time as im already eyeing up what i may have gotten next but that will have to wait a long time and the fact going on road trips 2 up is so much further away are older guys on bikes as reckless as younger people who have little fear of death?

[Subike]

This bites big time as im already eyeing up what i may have gotten next but that will have to wait a long time and the fact going on road trips 2 up is so much further away are older guys on bikes as reckless as younger people who have little fear of death?

I would have to say yes to your question, I have traveed in a group where the age was, well, older, and some of the riders were terrible.
I have also traveled with groups where the riding behavior was very tidy, and these were mid age range.
but all groups have good, and bad, just learn who to keep away from.

[Sable]

I use my bike for everything. Don't own a car. Put 4000ks on a Scorpio my first 2 months riding. Then upped to a 400 as I'm a fatass, 6'1" and the scorpio was horrible for commuting. Done probably 8000ks in the last 7 months. I'm dead sick of the 400.

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI.

If you can find a FI, torquey bike (Tired of rowing the gearbox constantly in town as well actually) that's comfortable, light enough to do the work commute and can do long trips and is on the LAMS list I'll eat my shoes.

So much whining. I have a motorcycle courier friend about your height, weighs 135kg and is perfectly happy with a ZZR250. There is nothing at all wrong with carbs if you know the basics of maintaining them. You don't like changing gear either?

Perhaps motorcycling isn't for you. Go buy a scooter or an auto econobox.

[Glowerss]

So much whining. I have a motorcycle courier friend about your height, weighs 135kg and is perfectly happy with a ZZR250. There is nothing at all wrong with carbs if you know the basics of maintaining them. You don't like changing gear either?

Perhaps motorcycling isn't for you. Go buy a scooter or an auto econobox.

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much

[huff3r]

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much

Shouldn't be a problem on a L or R licence, seeing as the curfew is 10pm...

[GrayWolf]

Maintaining carbys isn't the problem. Standing around for 10 minutes at 11 O clock at night in the middle of winter in the rain waiting for the fucking bike to warm up, however!

And I'll stick to 2 wheels thank you very much

Then I'd suggest if it isnt an 'old' bike, like early 1980's or before, or high milage with possibly worn needles/slides/jet etc. I'd suggest there is either A) something out with the carb tuning, B) out of balance if a twin, C) was standing and has the varnish like deposit coating the pilot/air jet/mixture etc... modern bikes, ah hell even the ones I rode it the 70's (japanese) had no issues starting from cold. Sounds to me like it needs going over.

[Old Steve]

The kind of bike I want simply doesn't exist on the LAMS list. I'm fed to death with Carbs and would love dearly to upgrade to something with EFI. The number of bikes on the LAMS list with EFI you could probably count on 2 hands. Most of em being either 250s or outrageously expensive new bikes that are restricted. ($17,000 Monster anyone?)

I was looking at the Hyosung ST-7 when I got my 6F and upgraded to the M50. I think they do an EFI LAMS version which has almost exactly 150 kW/Tonne.

Checked the Hyosung website and there are 4 650 cc EFI LAMS bikes, naked and faired GT650 EFI LAMs, cruiser GV650 EFI LAM, and the ST7 EFI LAM which seems to be only a 650 cc engine but is described as "upgradable" and has 149.something kW/Tonne.

That's only one manufacturer, so their must be more around. And the GT650PL EFI LAMS is only $9000 new, and you'd surely get a better deal than that if you walked into a shop and started to show an interest.

Some may not like the Hyosung, but if I were starting all over again I'd definitely be looking at the ST-7 EFI LAMS, though it's not available 2nd hand yet so probably would be priced out of my range for a while.

[Banditbandit]

I hope they introduce a way to reduce your restricted license time to 12 months.

I'd rather get an unrestricted 600cc at the end of 2013 than in the middle of 2014.

Why? There's enough fyoung and blung riders out there on crotch rockets already ...

Personally, I've been riding bikes for 40 years and licence changes have no personal impact on me .. except that because of the licence changes I am slightly more confident that the rider coming the other way will not impact on me ... but that's only very slightly more confident ...