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    So many mistakes. Would you employ the authors?

    This has got to be one of the most micky mouse stats reports I've had the misfortune of reading - and I only got part way through it. (Sorry MM)
    http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...facts-2013.pdf

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    I'm sure that the statistics they present are correct, but as they don't include the supplementary data they are false by implication.
    Have a look at the accidents by age group. The ages go up in steps of 5 years to age 40, but everyone over the age of 40 is included in a single group making that group appear to over represented, when in reality the next 7 or 8 steps being combined would show a different story. More realistic would be if they seperated the groups by the number of riders in each group, but that probably wouldn't show the results that ACC want.
    Similarly with bike size, they give no indication of the number of bikes in each group, nor do they any stats by distance travelled.
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    Would be interesting to compare the stats if there was data (and there wont be) on car accidents per mileage when used on holiday or recreational purposes. Its a bit unfair to be comparing per km travelled when the car fleet would be bumped up by commercial fleets, sales reps etc clocking up big kms.
    And the cc thing shows how little they know (and perhaps that's best) as there are lower cc bikes that you could safely say are higher risk than many big cc bikes.
    One thing we'll never see in these reports is the ACC levy $ bikers pay per km compared to car...
    But they have to write all that stuff, they'd get the sack if they said we have all these crashes because sometimes people do silly stuff or are just not paying attention to road and hazards.
    wouldn't lose any sleep over it, justa govt dept being a govt dept, business or lack of it as usual...

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    The only question that needs to be asked is what number of road-registered motorcycles do the deaths equate to for each time period. That's a very different picture, one that is easy to research and represent, and one that every motorcycle "lobby" group will fail to capitalise on.
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    600cc bikes and larger are far more dangerous, so they said.
    Then allow learners on 660cc bikes.
    Then show stats that prove the original point wrong.


    Why the fuck can these money hungry bacon fat dripping useless desk jockey cunt hat fuckbags be allowed anywhere near legislation and data gathering when all they do is rape and fuck the poor little niggers like us?

    I think they should abolish the fucking stupid ACC levy increases they applied, otherwise they are blatantly lying to the consumer and surely that is illegal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    600cc bikes and larger are far more dangerous, so they said.
    Then allow learners on 660cc bikes.
    Then show stats that prove the original point wrong.


    Why the fuck can these money hungry bacon fat dripping useless desk jockey cunt hat fuckbags be allowed anywhere near legislation and data gathering when all they do is rape and fuck the poor little niggers like us?

    I think they should abolish the fucking stupid ACC levy increases they applied, otherwise they are blatantly lying to the consumer and surely that is illegal.







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    Lol only 30% of fatalities involved speeding. Maybe fatalities will happen due to other factors not just speed? Maybe enforcing speed limits doesn't lower the road toll?

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    Gotta love the one where they say that the motorcyclist is at fault when a vehicle turns across in front of them. NOt all the time of course but to say they are to blame at any of the time is laughable.

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    Statistics are just that, statistics. Unfortunately they can be skewed to suit whomever writes the report. Given all the data I'm sure you could cherry-pick the numbers to prove motorcycling is safer than driving a car. That prolly why they don't publish any supplementary data. Motorcycling is a minority, and it's far easier to rape a minority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by veldthui View Post
    Gotta love the one where they say that the motorcyclist is at fault when a vehicle turns across in front of them. NOt all the time of course but to say they are to blame at any of the time is laughable.
    That statement is ridiculous. If you are doing 250 km/h along a two lane road, and someone turns across you into their driveway, you would be (primarily) at fault; they couldn't have expected you to arrive so quickly.

    Obviously this would only be the minority of the time. Which is exactly what they say - 6% of the time in fact.

    If you just look at this as a presentation of data, it's kinda a nice report - interesting to see the % of crashes in which alcohol/drugs were involved, % by type of license vs unlicensed, types of crashes with cars etc.

    It would be nice for them to release all the raw data as a spreadsheet too. In fact, if you care enough, you can ask them and they are legally obligated to do so (Official Information Act). Only other thing which would be nice would be all of these numbers as a ratio of distance traveled rather than sum total.

    It's worth pointing out that this was released by the Ministry of Transport, not ACC. Which is interesting, as it clearly contradicts some of ACC's arguments (as Mashman said re engine size etc). Which, as far as I can see, makes it a useful document for motorcyclists to be able to refer to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veldthui View Post
    Gotta love the one where they say that the motorcyclist is at fault when a vehicle turns across in front of them.
    Of course it's the rider's fault. That person should have been in a vehicle with 4 wheels. Only common sense you know...(if you like gubbernment bullshit and propaganda).
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    I believe we all already employ the authors

    Nice to know that with the countries educational standard continuing to decline, there will always be positions for the underachievers at the department of statistics.
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    See the pie chart, 14% of fatal accidents have alcohol or drugs involved, 13% have alcohol, drugs and speed involved, and 17% have speed involved. Yet 56% had no alcohol, drugs or speed involved.

    So it's safest to be pissed or drugged out and be speeding? Under no conditions should you be sober and under the speed limit.

    You can infer anything with statistics.

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    With 19% of crashes caused by riders who should not even be on the road...

    i.e unlicensed, disqualified / forbidden and no NZ license, not to mention the further 18% who crashed on a learner license ( without a breakdown of whether they were riding within the terms of that license ), I would suggest that amending the figures to include only properly licensed riders riding within the terms of their license may prove that the majority of "legal" motorcycle crashes are in fact not caused by the motorcyclist. Were those 19% attributed blame due to riding illegally? This is unclear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damantis View Post
    i.e unlicensed, disqualified / forbidden and no NZ license, not to mention the further 18% who crashed on a learner license ( without a breakdown of whether they were riding within the terms of that license ), I would suggest that amending the figures to include only properly licensed riders riding within the terms of their license may prove that the majority of "legal" motorcycle crashes are in fact not caused by the motorcyclist.
    I doubt that very much. Apart from those disqualified riders who were riding pissed and stoned with no helmet on and hit a tree I would suggest that the 'non-legal' riders have the same type of crashes as legal riders.

    People fuck up whether they are driving or riding. As riders we are more likely to get seriously hurt if someone does fuck up so blaming the other person is always a cop out. I can do statistics and I use the same data that fed in to this MOT report. It is safe to say that the majority of crashes involving a motorbike were avoidable on the part of the rider, regardless of who ends up being blamed for the incident happening.

    Ride around with the view that most bike crashes are caused by cars and something will happen to confirm it. And you might get hurt.

    Ride around with the view that most crashes can be avoided by the rider and something will happen to confirm that as well, it is all down to attitude.

    And IAM training, apparently.

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