Anyone Darksided their cruiser?

[ruaphu]

In between making the coffees.

lol, cool I'll drop in for one next time passing through the place with no 'h' but now has a 'h' but said without a 'h'.................................no WOF though eh.

[Katman]

lol, cool I'll drop in for one next time passing through the place with no 'h' but now has a 'h' but said without a 'h'.................................no WOF though eh.

Cool, I won't see you there.

[ruaphu]

Cool, I won't see you there.

thats the plan, lol

[GTRMAN]

Hopefully they do eh.

Katman, when they do, with you being a wof inspector, expect that you will reliably keep us all informed with the NZTA Facts and comments, pro and or against in manner befitting your title us motorist take direction from please?

Golly, based on your level of negativity around opposing ideas and the profanities you constantly spout you must be an absolute joy to work with or take a vehicle to. Do you constantly use profanities and berate them too???

Katman, i have no issues with discussing issues in an open manner, i just take exception to your on going boorish school boy bully attitude to open discussion.

Being a member of over a dozen or so forums worldwide your attitude and conduct is nothing short of appalling, whats more your a WOF Inspector us motorists are supposed to rely on!!!!!!! Not with your attitude i wouldn't!!!

Forums are not for taking pot shots at parties or individuals because they dare to pose a question or have a differing view from you.

I fairly warn you now, please knock it off or you will force me to take matters further with the forum owners. I have graciously tolerated your on going boorish behavior up till now.

If your any sort of decent person have the gumption to reply with a mature out look and participate in forums as they are intended..........open discussion.

You raise some good points, however you destroy them with your boorish bully boy know all antics laced with needless profanities. Do your self a favour show some integrity and grow up.

If you can't sort ya issues, simply go away.

Regards, the bully boy antics hater!


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No disrespect intended but if you don't like the answer maybe think of the lunacy of the question, granted Katman may have the social graces of a wounded ferret, but don't let the medium cloud your view of the message.

Putting a tyre not specified for your, or any, motorcycle on your rim is asking to end up a statistic.

Just sayin

[Katman]

No disrespect intended but if you don't like the answer maybe think of the lunacy of the question, granted Katman may have the social graces of a wounded ferret, but don't let the medium cloud your view of the message.

I'm quite happy to discuss rational ideas in a rational manner.

Complete and utter stupidity, on the other hand, gets to be treated with nothing less than contempt.

[Mike.Gayner]

You're a bit of a loser Katman.

[Katman]

You're a bit of a loser Katman.

[Madness]

I fairly warn you now, please knock it off or you will force me to take matters further with the forum owners. I have graciously tolerated your on going boorish behavior up till now.

What a fuckwit!

[willytheekid]

I know - I'm still shaking my head.

...Your not the only one mate


Here's some food for thought capt safety!

It IS perfectly legal to do this (So WOF & Insurance are actually covered...or the work mate wouldn't have got paid out when he was smidsy'd last year)
Its a proven practice globally that has its proven merrits, but naturally, the practice does! require some homework into what tyres suit, what the effects are, and if this practice suits the type of bike and riding style etc (Obviously you don't do this on a R1! and obviously you don't just chuck any car tyre on and pray it works!)

But most actually do this because Bike tyres are NOT perfect in the crusier world...lets look at why ALOT of people around the world do this.

..honda gold wing!...lets use that common heavy crusier as an example.

Goldwing weight- Aprox 800lbs (with out rider an passenger)
The RECOMMENDED motorcycle tyre has a max load weight of....992 lbs!
-now add a rider...passenger....gear!.....see the problem with the $600-$800 "recommended" tyre??
...just jump on any goldwing or heavy cruiser forum...look up 'TYRE BLOW OUT"...there's multitudes of posts proving that the factory tyre just is not up the job, and is actually more dangerous than the option of darksiding!(If done properly!)
Hence, due to obscenely heavy crusiers chewing through rediculasly expensive "factory" tyres (As mentioned in the OPs posts) and multitudes of blow-outs occuring for "sticking to the factory recommendations"...darksiding was born as an option for these heavy cruiser riders.

...But I totally agree that it CAN be dangerous(And understand your reluctance to issue WOF's or fit them...thats personal choice and high eithical standards!)...but!, with the correct amount of reasearch into what tyre will suit your bike and do the job as safely as possible, you can reduce the risk of trying darksiding, and even possibly reduce the chances of a blow out or tyre failure, reduce the cost of replacing expensive factory rubber, and all with minimal risk to the rider under normal road use.

...if its safe, proven to work, save's you money and you accept the risk in doing this sort of "mod"...why not investigate the validity of doing so? (which is what this thread is all about...seeking information and opinions...not angry Coffee deficient attitudes from those within the industry**)

**The very same people that used to tell riders that if you use ANYTHING!! other than factory parts or DARE to modify your bike...you are "risking your personal safety...blah blah blah!!"...REALLY??...or is it just a great way to ensure sales of expensive "factory recommended parts"?

...If you do a search online, you can see the HUGE argument over this practice between the industry etc & the riders actually doing it!...but the fact remains, its a practice that has been going on for many many years!...and yet, there are not many stats available in regards to accidents or deaths resulting from darksiding...and that says alot! in a world that loves shoving stats down people throats! - if there was a problem with the practice of darksiding...the authorities would ensure those stats where there to back up there "safety" argument...and yet, thousands of riders around the world are doing this on a daily basis...so again...safety issue?...or is it also a lost profit issue within the industry?

As always KM, respect ya personal & professional opinion ...but end of the day its just YOUR opinion on the subject, that has no statistical backing or personal experiance to back it up...Im all for exploring & researching new possible options and hearing the opinions of others.


Ride safe mate

[RDJ]

The taxpayer doesn't pay for anyone to issue WOFs.

All WOF agencies are non-governmental entities.

Semantics. Government rules prevent any other than the present three players competing in the large market. Look it up. The taxpayer pays for the lack of competition and robust oversight - oversight and competition which should prevent, for example, the petty authoritarianism manifested in your threat to take this online discussion to your commissars to rule against the OP. Especially as you won't say even in which city your WOF work is carried out at so some of us may end up on the receiving end of your subsidized spite.

[Katman]

Semantics. Government rules prevent any other than the present three players competing in the large market. Look it up.

Are you saying that there are only three organisations permitted to carry out WOF inspections?

[Paul in NZ]

Back in the day a bloke who lived in our flat bought a 'chopper' from down south. Him and another guy jumped on the train one night and the plan was to ride it back... They arrived back around midnight sunday - poor old pre unit trumpy sounded like it had an anvil fornicating with a cheesegrater inside the crankcases, it was leaking oil so much frequent stops to purchase more were required and the lights had given up a day or so back... plus it was raining, they had an interesting trip, breaking down often, sleeping in hedges etc, certainly a tale to tell the grandkids... Anyway - in the cold light of day I gave this thing a once over...

Gawd.... Home made and heath robinson would habve made this pile look good. 12" over front end with no added rake in a standard Triumph rigid frame. 17" front wheel from a Triumph 3TA and a matching 17" rear made from a vintage car rim with a slice taken out and the diameter reduced. The rear should have been 16" but they didnt quite cut enough out and the lacing was... peculiar.... God knows how they did it and still made the wheel mostly round. Of course back then there were no 17" bike tyres so it had an ancient crossply levered into place. Dodgy does not even begin to describe this bike....

I must admit curiosity got the better of me and I did ride it once around the block - it was awfull BUT that hat bugger all to do with the rear tyre. You wouldnt dare lean it over...

A few weeks later despite several warnings from me one of the rods escaped out through the cases and flew across the road (it actually went quite a long way)..

Moral of the tale - car tyres will make your engine explode - you have been warned...

[Katman]

Here's some food for thought capt safety!

Can you supply even one reputable source that is prepared to say that fitting a car tyre to any motorcycle is an acceptable practice?

[willytheekid]

Can you supply even one reputable source that is prepared to say that fitting a car tyre to any motorcycle is an acceptable practice?

We both know that there is NO reputable source that will be acceptable to you
...can you supply ANY stats that prove that Darksiding leads to the "horrific" loss of safety that you keep insinuating?

As the practice has been around for many MANY! years...the stats to back up YOUR claims of calamity should be pritty easy to find...aye<(whats that?...there is no "actual" statistics to prove this??...whhaaaat??)

But I too agree with your concerns in regards to the different constrution of car & Bike tyres, and the fact that using a car tyre on a bike rim can lead to some pritty serious consequences...if not researched properly!...and thats the key!...researching the subject and doing some investigation into what could actually work for a particular bike or rim...nothing wrong with going outside the norm mate...as long as your not being a fucking tool and just throwing commonsence to the wind.

But your right..no-one in the industry would ever dare say its an acceptable practice...they have far too much to lose if it all goes wrong...or right!...but if an individual wants to do the research, accepts the personal risk and it actually works for them...why not challenge the norm?

...they used to say that ANY modifications to bikes are "dangerous"...we both know why the industry used to say that $$

I do Acknowledge your valid points and concerns ...but, like many others, I too like to investigate and try new things instead of just relying the "industry experts"...as they quiet often have alteriour motives.

ps...crusier tyres just don't seem to be keeping up performance wise with the new "super heavy" crusiers that you can get nowdays...so if the industry is failing to provide a viable and cost efficant product..you can't really blame the owners for exploring other avenues


As always....stay safe mate

[Katman]

Now you sound like Edbear.