Is this illegal? Can't find any info on this

[MVnut]

I always stop rather than following the car in front. I agree that sometimes you can see the way is clear, and technically you have stopped. However, I like my clean license and would rather not rely on being technically correct when discussing the finer points of law at the side of the road.

The first instruction at a Stop sign is that you MUST STOP. The law assumes you know this means at the front of the queue (if any) ....you have not stopped if you have been (stopped) behind another vehicle (with full visibility) and then proceed through. It is a simple rule. Once you have stopped (at the line) you may proceed when the way is clear......why do so many get this wrong, it is not open to interpretation. Stop means Stop.

[oneofsix]

When preparing for my restricted test (NZTA) I did a practice session with GTRMan. I stopped behind a yellow stop line and could not see properly to proceed. At this point it was explained the road code wants you to stop at that intersection rather than a rolling give way. If you need to position yourself beyond the yellow line to properly determine if its safe to proceed, thats ok.

Stalling is not a fail in the CBTA. I recently sat the CBTA full. Stalling is not mentioned in the IF (instant fail) list. Crashing is. As a matter of fact stalling was not mentioned at all in any context.

Stalling isn't an instant fail, true, it's a critical error or some such wording. Know someone that suffered that in a car restricted test, also discussed it with the Baldies and Andrew during the mentor sessions, so unless it has changed since then it is still something to avoid.

[MVnut]

Crossing that redline in early stage means technically you would be facing into oncoming traffic, briefly, so on wrong side of road even though you are turning.
I think this part of the test is more about encourage a predictable action during the turn for other road users. and also if you stray outside that prescribed course its then onvious to assessor that your not fully in control of where your bike goes. Bit like the parallel car parking, need to pass the test with it but after that I've never seen anyone ticketed for taking too long to park or abandoning an attempt...




This! This is the best answer, 23471 viewers found this info helpful. Also you should lay a black line as evidence of lane position




The law is you need to stop behind the yellow lines somewhere. A lot of people don't realise with stop signs that if you are stopped behind another vehicle when they go you can as well as long as you have a clear view that it is safe to pull out. There is no law about how close you need to be to yellow lines.

You are wrong, you must stop at the front of the queue

[Ulsterkiwi]

Stalling isn't an instant fail, true, it's a critical error or some such wording. Know someone that suffered that in a car restricted test, also discussed it with the Baldies and Andrew during the mentor sessions, so unless it has changed since then it is still something to avoid.

yup, understand, On the ACC course I did a few weeks ago Andrew went through a verbal description of the whole assessment and the score sheet/paperwork. Stalling was not mentioned once. Maybe he forgot. Its not mentioned in the paperwork.

[oneofsix]

yup, understand, On the ACC course I did a few weeks ago Andrew went through a verbal description of the whole assessment and the score sheet/paperwork. Stalling was not mentioned once. Maybe he forgot. Its not mentioned in the paperwork.

Bugger, I enjoyed teasing him about that, especially when he stalled at the end of the days training on the day we argued about it

[Erelyes]

yup, understand, On the ACC course I did a few weeks ago Andrew went through a verbal description of the whole assessment and the score sheet/paperwork. Stalling was not mentioned once. Maybe he forgot. Its not mentioned in the paperwork.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...urse-guide.pdf

'Riding competencies
Where applicable, the following competencies will be assessed
during each riding task:
...
• stability/smoothness'

I would think it would come under that.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Bugger, I enjoyed teasing him about that, especially when he stalled at the end of the days training on the day we argued about it

meh, I would still give him a hard time. When I finished the CBTA assessment, he took the lead and screwed up an intersection, incorrectly changing lanes. He was gracious enough to draw attention to it. I might have ribbed him a bit AFTER he signed my certificate
I guess an expert rider is not one who always gets it right but reflects and thinks about the times he or she gets it wrong and tries to fix it next time......much like the majority of drivers and riders do across New Zealand............

[Ulsterkiwi]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...urse-guide.pdf

'Riding competencies
Where applicable, the following competencies will be assessed
during each riding task:
...
• stability/smoothness'

I would think it would come under that.

quite possibly it would. I was merely commenting there was not specific attention drawn to it always contributing to a fail. Crashing would do that however

[oneofsix]

meh, I would still give him a hard time. When I finished the CBTA assessment, he took the lead and screwed up an intersection, incorrectly changing lanes. He was gracious enough to draw attention to it. I might have ribbed him a bit AFTER he signed my certificate
I guess an expert rider is not one who always gets it right but reflects and thinks about the times he or she gets it wrong and tries to fix it next time......much like the majority of drivers and riders do across New Zealand............

yeah, got to be able to get one back for the dozens he pings me for

[Erelyes]

I guess an expert rider is not one who always gets it right but reflects and thinks about the times he or she gets it wrong and tries to fix it next time......

THIS is why I like CBTA.

When I sat the 'old' practical (L to R), I got nothing but the directions until we got to the testing station, at which point they said 'Let's go inside and sort you out a licence then'. OK, I guess that meant I passed.... ???

Whereas the R to L under CBTA was the opposite end of the spectrum completely - full of feedback, intelligent discussion and a bit of banter thrown in too!

[Ulsterkiwi]

THIS is why I like CBTA.

When I sat the 'old' practical (L to R), I got nothing but the directions until we got to the testing station, at which point they said 'Let's go inside and sort you out a licence then'. OK, I guess that meant I passed.... ???

Whereas the R to L under CBTA was the opposite end of the spectrum completely - full of feedback, intelligent discussion and a bit of banter thrown in too!

completely agree. Having experienced both types of test I have to say the CBTA is a much better way of determining your skill set. As the instructors are wont to say, you cant pretend to be skilful for longer than 10 minutes. More importantly its better preparation for riding on the road. I would love to see a similar approach to the driving test for car users.

[Gremlin]

The first instruction at a Stop sign is that you MUST STOP. The law assumes you know this means at the front of the queue (if any) ....you have not stopped if you have been (stopped) behind another vehicle (with full visibility) and then proceed through. It is a simple rule. Once you have stopped (at the line) you may proceed when the way is clear......why do so many get this wrong, it is not open to interpretation. Stop means Stop.

Law has already been quoted bud. There is no specific requiring you to stop at the line. You must be stopped in such a position that you have full visibility.

btw, laws are that long for a reason. There is no assumption.

[Erelyes]

First off, not aiming this at anyone in particular, but there's a startling trend on this site where a subject of law will come up, someone will post the legs&regs, then others will wade in with what can only be called opinion, which completely contradicts the law which has just been posted.

You are wrong, you must stop at the front of the queue

[BlackSheepLogic]

The first instruction at a Stop sign is that you MUST STOP. The law assumes you know this means at the front of the queue (if any) ....

The law only assumes you can read.

It is a simple rule.

I thought so.

[R650R]

As at 1 January 2014 from the horses mouth:




Part 4
Stopping and giving way





4.1 Giving way where vehicles are controlled by stop sign or give-way sign


(1) A driver approaching or entering an intersection on a roadway where the vehicles that are moving in the direction in which that driver is travelling are controlled by a stop sign at or near the intersection must—

(a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed


And from the road code:
Stop sign

At an intersection controlled by a Stop sign:
• come to a complete stop (do not just slow down)
• stop where you can see vehicles coming from all directions
• stay stopped until you have given way to all other vehicles (this includes cycles and motorcycles, etc)