Atgatt

[Big Dog]

This sort of thing is the reason why I ALWAYS wear ATGATT these days:

Warning, it's gory, please do not click if you have a weak stomach:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b1_1427326047

But it's a good lesson for those who think they are invincible.

I had a pillion crash when I was 15 and I wasn't wearing gloves. I was in hospital for a month with both my hands stripped to the muscle underneath like when you strip a rabbit. They're still not properly healed over 2 decades later and never will be... The injury takes a few seconds to happen, but the harm can last a lifetime.

Definitely a vote for the full face helme right there... unless you're uglier than that to start I guess.

[Brett]

Hit a tree at 60kph head on, wearing full motocross gear. Hurt enough to want me to NEVER want to hit anything on the road again ever, let alone with NO gear. Mental.

[Edbear]

I watched a link on motorcycle crashes. In almost every case the biker was going way too fast for the circumstances.

The main issue with road riding is the totally unexpected. Be it a tar snake unseen until too late in the wet and/or dark or the dimwitted Corolla driver swerving to make his exit. Far too many deaths lately.

[FJRider]

I watched a link on motorcycle crashes. In almost every case the biker was going way too fast for the circumstances.

Far too fast for the riders experience and ability perhaps ...

A rider that has not experienced a type problem ... seldom looks for it ...

[Edbear]

Far too fast for the riders experience and ability perhaps ...

A rider that has not experienced a type problem ... seldom looks for it ...

Same thing in these cases. No rider would have been able to avoid the crash at the speeds they were doing. Simply no time to stop, though some tried to.

[FJRider]

Same thing in these cases. No rider would have been able to avoid the crash at the speeds they were doing. Simply no time to stop, though some tried to.

So .... the faster you go ... the more likely shit happening. As in ... a big mess ...

[Edbear]

So .... the faster you go ... the more likely shit happening. As in ... a big mess ...

Per Zackary! While genuine accidents do happen even to the careful, these riders left themselves no margin at all. They had avoidable crashes.

[FJRider]

They had avoidable crashes.

Hang on ... you said ...

No rider would have been able to avoid the crash

which is it .. ??

[Edbear]

Hang on ... you said ...

which is it .. ??

You stopped before the rest of the sentence...

[FJRider]

You stopped before the rest of the sentence...

Is that not allowed ... ??

[Edbear]

Is that not allowed ... ??

When the rest of the sentence points out the difference it's not.

[FJRider]

When the rest of the sentence points out the difference it's not.

oops ......

[scumdog]

Having just got back from Aussie I have to say once again I noticed Aussie ATTGATT consists of sneakers or skatie shoes, t-shirt or singlet and board shorts.

When cooler they may wear a jacket, jeans and light boots - oh and some may wear gloves.

'course the odd sprotsbike rider is wearing full kit - probably a fashion statement.

Seems to work for them....

[PrincessBandit]

Recent short ride to school with helmet and boots only (hot day) gave me an insight into the pleasure of riding with minimal gear but in the back of my mind was "I had better not come off..."
For the ease of adding a jacket with vents open and gloves (my trousers were heavy duty denim) I still reckon ATGATT is the responsible thing to do. Riders are responsible for their own well being and if that means so little to them then it's hard to make an argument for ATGATT that they'll take notice of.

[MisterD]

MOTGMOTT then? Works for me.