"Lest we forget"

[mstriumph]

It's coming up to that time of year again ...

I'm a Brit, an Aussi, a Kiwi too.
I've probably lost as many family as anyone else in the various wars the governments of the day have embroiled us in.

I've also been a member of the armed services, so don't think I'm a card-carrying "forgive and forget" pacifist - I'm not.

BUT
what I'm going to be remembering when 11th comes around is

• that our governments sent our young people overseas to fight and sometimes die (and very messily and painfully too) in situations where, if our homelands were attacked, it was because of the alliances we made
• as far as I can see, Germany and Japan attacked us only because of those alliances and the other combatants with which our masters engaged us never even threatened our native soil

so - I'm remembering our dead
remembering how they were misled
into thinking
the stinking
wounds that they suffered and blood that they shed
was somehow worthwhile.......

while it was just some wet dream of those that sent them ... who cowered, safe, 'at home' and mebbe even profited from it, one way or another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUwDHNJlJ2I

So, sleep well all our honourable dead
You died because your country required it
That it was not an honourable request by those you should have been able to trust
does not detract in the slightest from our respect for you

[5ive]

Oh fuck off.

You could have just honoured them without the spin.

[Murray]

[*]as far as I can see, Germany and Japan attacked us only because of those alliances and the other combatants with which our masters engaged us never even threatened our native soil

What a lot of crap

When did Japan and Germany attack us???

Japan attacked the USA who up to that stage had stayed out of the war apart from arms supplys.

Germany were warned time and time that if they invaded Poland England would have no option but to declare war. Chamberlain did everything but show a white flag to Hitler and his mob.

You would be happy for Europe and where ever else was under the third reich???

Dickhead

[Ocean1]

which our masters engaged us

M'dear, if you'd suggested to any one of the dearly departed that their choices were anything but their own you'd have got your bottom spanked.

Same today.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of the OPs assertions and leave it at that - a rememberence thread is not the place for a Flame War.

On the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the Eleventh month - we shall remember them.

[ruaphu]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with some of the OPs assertions and leave it at that - a rememberence thread is not the place for a Flame War.

On the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the Eleventh month - we shall remember them.

Yep, well said, I'll second that motion.


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[mashman]

I reckon they would appreciate your words more highly than others mstriumph. Even though they are gone, they were someone's father, mother, daughter, son, uncle, best mate, husband to be, promising pianist, philanthropist, architect, doctor, binman etc... Doesn't really matter what day it is or what hour it is, it doesn't change what they did. However, that is already being forgotten.

[Berries]

Alcohol fueled posts are great.

[oldrider]

Totally agree with mstriumph! ...

War is a complete waste of everything and if our glorious dead could speak for themselves I am sure that they would agree!

Have we learned nothing from their sacrifice ... we shall remember them! R.I.P.

Meanwhile, don't forget the stupid bastards and their stupid logic and so called reasoning that sent them there either!

They will do it again and again, if we let them!

[bluninja]

Being English and having a grandfather that served in WW1, and 4 uncles in WW2 I will remember them on a personal level. I'll also remember all those lost in other conflicts to protect British people and interests, and especially those that have died carrying out peacekeeping activities around the world.

For those people with better than 20/20 hindsight as to why conflicts happened...it would be great to see the same level of commitment and personal sacrifice to prevent further "needless" loss as those armed forces people gave so many, many, times.

To me the best way to remember them is to strive to build a more peaceful world, one relationship at a time.

[Akzle]

tuesday at 11pm?
party at mel brown's.

[FJRider]

I've probably lost as many family as anyone else in the various wars the governments of the day have embroiled us in.

Probably ... means you're guessing. State FACT (on THIS subject) or shut up.

I've also been a member of the armed services, so don't think I'm a card-carrying "forgive and forget" pacifist - I'm not.

SO HAVE I ... and I do ...

BUT
what I'm going to be remembering when 11th comes around is

that our governments sent our young people overseas to fight and sometimes die (and very messily and painfully too) in situations where, if our homelands were attacked, it was because of the alliances we made

True ... no dispute there.

as far as I can see, Germany and Japan attacked us only because of those alliances and the other combatants with which our masters engaged us never even threatened our native soil

Japan attacked Aussie ... and had us (NZ) in their sights for dominance of the greater Pacific area. (Why buy when you CAN own)

so - I'm remembering our dead
remembering how they were misled
into thinking
the stinking
wounds that they suffered and blood that they shed
was somehow worthwhile.......

while it was just some wet dream of those that sent them ... who cowered, safe, 'at home' and mebbe even profited from it, one way or another.

I remember/KNEW some of those dead ... before they died. And ... spoke to their Parents afterwards. THEY ... and I ... believed we served with a true purpose. AND .. none I knew ever regretted being in those places.

So, sleep well all our honourable dead
You died because your country required it

Pull your head in. You're NOT impressing or convincing ANYBODY.

Our Country ASKED it of us. We didn't HAVE to go. Few that went anywhere ... had any regrets. What didn't impress us ... was the attitude of those that DIDN'T go.

That it was not an honourable request by those you should have been able to trust
does not detract in the slightest from our respect for you

YOUR opinion only ... and those that served overseas ... had no respect for any comments of that ... (or similar vein).

[R650R]

YOUR opinion only ... and those that served overseas ... had no respect for any comments of that ... (or similar vein).

They would have never ever used bold and capital letters together either (or multi quoted), their English teacher would have fair rapped their knuckles with the cane for that.
Nice to see all that patriotic fervour backed up with Japanese bike ownership ;p

[FJRider]

Nice to see all that patriotic fervour backed up with Japanese bike ownership ;p

My bike is Japanese ... as I have no issue with JAPAN .. (China is another story)

Those that returned from the Somme were called hero's ...

Those that returned from Da Nang were called Baby Killers.

[ellipsis]

Probably ... means you're guessing. State FACT (on THIS subject) or shut up.



SO HAVE I ... and I do ...



True ... no dispute there.



Japan attacked Aussie ... and had us (NZ) in their sights for dominance of the greater Pacific area. (Why buy when you CAN own)



I remember/KNEW some of those dead ... before they died. And ... spoke to their Parents afterwards. THEY ... and I ... believed we served with a true purpose. AND .. none I knew ever regretted being in those places.



Pull your head in. You're NOT impressing or convincing ANYBODY.

Our Country ASKED it of us. We didn't HAVE to go. Few that went anywhere ... had any regrets. What didn't impress us ... was the attitude of those that DIDN'T go.



YOUR opinion only ... and those that served overseas ... had no respect for any comments of that ... (or similar vein).

...you are pulling your cock and blowing your horn, whilst giving your opinion, in my opinion...