Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[R650R]

A silly question.
Is there some unwritten rule for trucks to always use the middle lane on motorways?
Around Auckland there is a massive amount of this happening. Very rarely do I see a truck in the left hand lane (of the three available).

Rock up to any transport company in Auckland and say that, they'll be very happy for you to take a ride and see for yourself... Their actually doing the greater population a favour.
Merging like a zip wouldn't work to well if all the trucks were in the left lane and the tailback factor would start gridlocking the onramps behind them....
Are you another ex pat pom (there's so many of them on this site for some reason...) or a kiwi??? As the limit is 100k for cars on mway here and often not achieved due to traffic volumes and crap drivers there's virtually zero impact from trucks using the fast lane or even the middle lane.

[awayatc]

Rock up to any transport company in Auckland and say that, they'll be very happy for you to take a ride and see for yourself... Their actually doing the greater population a favour.
Merging like a zip wouldn't work to well if all the trucks were in the left lane and the tailback factor would start gridlocking the onramps behind them....
Are you another ex pat pom (there's so many of them on this site for some reason...) or a kiwi??? As the limit is 100k for cars on mway here and often not achieved due to traffic volumes and crap drivers there's virtually zero impact from trucks using the fast lane or even the middle lane.

Do you ever use the roads on anything other then a truck....?

Btw.... I am not a pom....

Plenty of police around to deal with speed limits,
not up to (truck) drivers to block all available lanes.
yes I often see one truck trying to pass another one going 0.02 kph faster .... thus blocking any sort of possible progress for anybody else on the road.
plenty of bad driving around,
including truck drivers...

[caspernz]

Do you ever use the roads on anything other then a truck....?

Btw.... I am not a pom....

Plenty of police around to deal with speed limits,
not up to (truck) drivers to block all available lanes.
yes I often see one truck trying to pass another one going 0.02 kph faster .... thus blocking any sort of possible progress for anybody else on the road.
plenty of bad driving around,
including truck drivers...

The stupidity of elephant racing (truck overtaking truck at 0.02 kph differential speed) should definitely become an offence. On a three lane stretch for that reason alone the right hand lane should be banned for trucks. Mind you, can we also get the nitwits doing 90-95 with nothing in front of them chucked out of the hammer lane? Our driving standards should be just about sweet by the time the oil runs out...

[Swoop]

No, the left hand lane is the fast/overtaking lane. The last 3 times I've been up in Auckland using the motorways, I sat in the slow lane doing 100km/h (+/- 40km/h) and barely had to change lanes to overtake everyone. The left lane had way less traffic.

That's precisely what I see, regularly. Quite happy about it as well...

Merging like a zip wouldn't work to well if all the trucks were in the left lane and the tailback factor would start gridlocking the onramps behind them....
Are you another ex pat pom (there's so many of them on this site for some reason...) or a kiwi???

OK. So the trucks are simply avoiding the feeder lanes on the left.
That still allows a nice, free running LH lane (as per above).
"ex-pat pom"? no.

[R650R]

Do you ever use the roads on anything other then a truck....?

Yes and more often than not something else in recent years. I just get a bit bent by people talking about stuff they don't fully comprehend.
Especially where I am we have a chronic acute outbreak of nimbyism sponsored by the local council. Despite the fact our beach is often called one of the ugliest stone ridden weed piles in NZ they want to detour trucks extra miles of the most direct route that's been in use for years and favour rail despite it cutting the cities arterial routes in half at 3 major busy locations.

A truck would much rather be in the left lane on the motorway as it reduces the risk exposure for a collision. The problem is NZ motorways aren't really motorways by international standards as there are two many onramps and off ramps too close together. In England miss your offramp and it might be an hours drive to turn around at the next one! do same in NZ and plenty of options.

[haydes55]

Here's a little something from a few years back.

"According to the latest WHO data published in April 2011 Road Traffic Accidents Deaths in New Zealand reached 440 or 1.80% of total deaths. The age adjusted Death Rate is 10.31 per 100,000 of population ranks New Zealand #137 in the world. Review other causes of death by clicking the links below or choose the full health profile."

Italy is #150 with a score of 8.4 per 100,000. Italians aren't known for being polite drivers either.

Germany, with its autobahns and more generous speed limits, #170 with a score of 5.7/100,000.

So NZ is doing pretty shit on the world stage (for western countries who have money for personal cars and sealed road networks). Countries raising their speed limits are having fewer road deaths than NZ per capita.

That's why I think the speed limit infatuation is pure horse shit. I don't want to die, I know when I die, there is no afterlife, I know in a road accident I'd likely be in excruciating pain for hours before my world ceases to be.... I want to live for as long as possible. I will never ride or drive in an unsafe manner that would risk my life being cut short, and I feel perfectly safe going 120km/h around a 65k corner.

I feel like I've written a pretty one sided half ass essay, so I better do a conclusion.....

In conclusion, suck a fat cock coppers, catch me if you can.

[BlackSheepLogic]

That's why I think the speed limit infatuation is pure horse shit

Driving though a "90Km/h Safer Speed Zone - Old State Hwy 20" when I went to pick up my cat from Quarantine. Fucker in front of me doing under 100K according to my GPS saw a police car coming in the opposing direction and slammed the anchors on really hard.

The current maniacal focus on speed is not making the roads safer.

[rastuscat]

Here's a little something from a few years back.

"According to the latest WHO data published in April 2011 Road Traffic Accidents Deaths in New Zealand reached 440 or 1.80% of total deaths. The age adjusted Death Rate is 10.31 per 100,000 of population ranks New Zealand #137 in the world. Review other causes of death by clicking the links below or choose the full health profile."

Italy is #150 with a score of 8.4 per 100,000. Italians aren't known for being polite drivers either.

Germany, with its autobahns and more generous speed limits, #170 with a score of 5.7/100,000.

So NZ is doing pretty shit on the world stage (for western countries who have money for personal cars and sealed road networks). Countries raising their speed limits are having fewer road deaths than NZ per capita.

That's why I think the speed limit infatuation is pure horse shit. I don't want to die, I know when I die, there is no afterlife, I know in a road accident I'd likely be in excruciating pain for hours before my world ceases to be.... I want to live for as long as possible. I will never ride or drive in an unsafe manner that would risk my life being cut short, and I feel perfectly safe going 120km/h around a 65k corner.

I feel like I've written a pretty one sided half ass essay, so I better do a conclusion.....

In conclusion, suck a fat cock coppers, catch me if you can.

Kind offer, think I'll pass though.

Interesting that you should choose to select countries with very broad taxpayer bases. Such countries can afford to build far better roads, where it is far less like likely to result in crashes.

Also interesting is that the Italian article points out that speed causes a small proportion of crashes. It's the same here. But in every crash, regardless of cause, greater speed means greater damage.

Keep the bollocks flowing though.

[blue rider]

Kind offer, think I'll pass though.

Interesting that you should choose to select countries with very broad taxpayer bases. Such countries can afford to build far better roads, where it is far less like likely to result in crashes.

Also interesting is that the Italian article points out that speed causes a small proportion of crashes. It's the same here. But in every crash, regardless of cause, greater speed means greater damage.

Keep the bollocks flowing though.

unless like my neighbour fuckwit who goes for rides with his kids in shorts, singlet, and no helmet or shoes. both of them.

But hey , the coppers don't patrol communities any-more, they only come around when the dairy has been robbed or the kid has been run over, fallen of the bike. All you guys seem to do is hang out on motorways to catch those evil doers going 1.5 km over a hundred. So in short, you don't catch those that are true fuckwits. You just get to harass those that drive slow enough for you to catch.

[rastuscat]

unless like my neighbour fuckwit who goes for rides with his kids in shorts, singlet, and no helmet or shoes. both of them.

But hey , the coppers don't patrol communities any-more, they only come around when the dairy has been robbed or the kid has been run over, fallen of the bike. All you guys seem to do is hang out on motorways to catch those evil doers going 1.5 km over a hundred. So in short, you don't catch those that are true fuckwits. You just get to harass those that drive slow enough for you to catch.

Always interesting to hear the views of those who have no idea what they are talking about.

[R650R]

Here's a little something from a few years back.

"According to the latest WHO data published in April 2011 Road Traffic Accidents Deaths in New Zealand reached 440 or 1.80% of total deaths. The age adjusted Death Rate is 10.31 per 100,000 of population ranks New Zealand #137 in the world. Review other causes of death by clicking the links below or choose the full health profile."

Italy is #150 with a score of 8.4 per 100,000. Italians aren't known for being polite drivers either.

Germany, with its autobahns and more generous speed limits, #170 with a score of 5.7/100,000.

So NZ is doing pretty shit on the world stage (for western countries who have money for personal cars and sealed road networks). Countries raising their speed limits are having fewer road deaths than NZ per capita.

That's why I think the speed limit infatuation is pure horse shit. I don't want to die, I know when I die, there is no afterlife, I know in a road accident I'd likely be in excruciating pain for hours before my world ceases to be.... I want to live for as long as possible. I will never ride or drive in an unsafe manner that would risk my life being cut short, and I feel perfectly safe going 120km/h around a 65k corner.

I feel like I've written a pretty one sided half ass essay, so I better do a conclusion.....

In conclusion, suck a fat cock coppers, catch me if you can.

I think comparing NZ to other countries is a lost cause, so many factors , better education/IQ, better cars, more traffic jams (pretty hard to die in traffic) and with super cheap air travel famil;ies more likely to fly than do long tiring trip in car....

One of my closest brushes with death was... cruising at 118k on GSXR back from day watching races at Manfield, slowly catching up to muddy ute that had pulled out of side road. Not sure if he didn't indicate or if I couldn't see them, but as I overtake he turns right into his driveway.
Que full emergency braking staring at his front quarter panel, terrible feeling knowing your going to hit. Then I think screw it fence is better than side of ute and steer just in front of him, jumping driveway hump and grass tracking along the berm at about 70k (thank god the grass was dry).... I hate doing what ifs and I was already breaking the law albeit in a more laxly enforced time, but a few k more and I wouldn't have missed the front of him...
One shouldn't poke the reaper, karma is a bitch...

[R650R]

Always interesting to hear the views of those who have no idea what they are talking about.

He must live in one of those gated communities.... move to a high crime suburb like mine. We see them so much I think they must get paid per km like the taxis, they always leave with a grumpy looking new passenger or two

[haydes55]

Kind offer, think I'll pass though.



Interesting that you should choose to select countries with very broad taxpayer bases. Such countries can afford to build far better roads, where it is far less like likely to result in crashes.



Also interesting is that the Italian article points out that speed causes a small proportion of crashes. It's the same here. But in every crash, regardless of cause, greater speed means greater damage.



Keep the bollocks flowing though.

Why don't the govt invest wiser in roading networks then? As an example, recently the road east out of whatawhata was ripped up entirely and resealed. I rode over the road before the roadworks, the road had 1 small pothole, on a straight, just out of the 80km/h zone, the rest of the road was fine. They ripped up about 6-700m of road and spent a few weeks doing it.

Another waste of taxpayer money on roads, this happens everywhere. Resealing small patches around corners, leaving gravel on them, and the height difference between the road, and the newly laid surface is actually greater than the pot holes it replaces. Patch jobs are more dangerous than the pot holes they cover.

Save the money and leave the pot holes, don't reseal straight roads with no lack of grip or pot holes. Councils are pissing away millions if dollars every year on making roads more dangerous, or making no difference at all to the grip/safety of corners.

Another corner of interest, whangarata road coming into pokeno is a corner that is shiny black (just bare tar) they have patched half of the corner. So the inside of the lane is zero grip shiny and dangerous, the outside of the corner is an inch lower that the shiny shit and has loose gravel on it. In the rain I go through the corner basically crawling, 9/10 times a tire will slide under me.

[Scuba_Steve]

Also interesting is that the Italian article points out that speed causes a small proportion of crashes. It's the same here. But in every crash, regardless of cause, greater speed means greater damage.

Keep the bollocks flowing though.

And again reduce the number of crashes & there is no damage to be greater

You do understand that your views on the speed scam are the same ones that are gonna be used to ban bikes don't you? after all every crash, regardless of cause, are safer in a car

[R650R]

Why don't the govt invest wiser in roading networks then? As an example, recently the road east out of whatawhata was ripped up entirely and resealed. I rode over the road before the roadworks, the road had 1 small pothole, on a straight, just out of the 80km/h zone, the rest of the road was fine. They ripped up about 6-700m of road and spent a few weeks doing it.

Another waste of taxpayer money on roads, this happens everywhere. Resealing small patches around corners, leaving gravel on them, and the height difference between the road, and the newly laid surface is actually greater than the pot holes it replaces. Patch jobs are more dangerous than the pot holes they cover.

Have you ever hit a pothole???? No cause mostly they fix them before you get there, believe me you wouldn't want to hit one on a bike.... We're barely above third world status economically, we cant afford to have racetrack quality tarmac everywhere. There's many of us here old enough to remember that a lot of our major highways still had gravel sections not too long ago....