Speed - what slows you down?

[Madness]

Having hypothetically just had this experience, the rules are 40km/h over a permanent speed limit or 50km/h over a temporary speed limit results in an instant suspension for 28 days and a walk home.

Then, you will have an appearance in traffic court (probably in front of a JP rather than a judge) charged with exceeding the permanent speed limit by more than 40km/h, resulting in a fine and 50 demerit points. Depending on how the charge has been laid, you could be up for a grand, or 10 grand.

Pretty sure the court appearance thing kicks in at 50 over. I was dealt with roadside at 40 over, no summons issued.

1) the demerit's don't get added onto your licence until you pay the fine, so if you have some points expiring soon, you can delay your payment so that you don't get banned on the 100 point accumulator. allegedly

Nope. The points activate at point of payment or non-payment at Infringement Bureau. The date that is applied to these points is the date of the offence. The situation you described is how it was when Demerits were introduced and this loop-hole has since been closed, really fucking tight.

[buggerit]

So topics like this make me wonder...

Am I the only one who actually enjoys sticking to the speed limit (or even slightly under) for a nice scenic ride?

I had 2 bikes and 4 cars all getting whingey with me the other day for riding at 100 down the motorway. Yes, I'm going to stick to the speed limit and yes, im going to ride that limit in the right hand lane. Because that way I don't have to watch so many directions at once for crazy people trying to cut me off.

I you are going off your speedo reading you are probably only doing 94kph.
There is nothing scenic about a motorway, keep your eyes on the road and use your mirrors.
If you dont enjoy getting taken from behind, I suggest you let faster traffic through or travel faster to stay with the flow.
Holding up traffic on a motorcycle is never a good idea, unless you like hospital food.
I actually like to travel 5kmh faster than the flow as it drastically reduces the number of vehicles passing you and gives you
a better idea of whats going on in all the lanes and keeps you focused,not sight seeeing.

[skippa1]

So topics like this make me wonder...

Am I the only one who actually enjoys sticking to the speed limit (or even slightly under) for a nice scenic ride?

I had 2 bikes and 4 cars all getting whingey with me the other day for riding at 100 down the motorway. Yes, I'm going to stick to the speed limit and yes, im going to ride that limit in the right hand lane. Because that way I don't have to watch so many directions at once for crazy people trying to cut me off.

Fuck me dead

[yevjenko]

Discourteous and dumb most definitely, but written in legislation... I don't think so. From what I understand from the training sergeant in south Auckland, each lane is treated as a separate road and there is no such thing as an "overtaking lane" or similar connotations. That means that you can "undertake" to pass a slower vehicle in your lane provided that normal safe practice is adhered to. Can any of the police on this forum confirm that?

you should probably read that rode code again.

you must use the left most lane available to you - here's a direct link to the road code. http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ro...ping-left.html

i can't believe this is not being taught properly

and seeing as you don't seem to get the undertaking / passing on the left rule i thought i'd give you that one too http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ro...g/passing.html

EDIT: note that you can have demerit points awarded against you for failing to keep left -"Failing to keep as close as practicable to left edge of roadway – 20 Points"

[yevjenko]

Pretty sure the court appearance thing kicks in at 50 over. I was dealt with roadside at 40 over, no summons issued.

Yes you are right - it is over 150 for the summons. the road tax collector had made a typo on my form... allegedly

Nope. The points activate at point of payment or non-payment at Infringement Bureau. The date that is applied to these points is the date of the offence. The situation you described is how it was when Demerits were introduced and this loop-hole has since been closed, really fucking tight.

Good to know!

[pritch]

Am I the only one who actually enjoys sticking to the speed limit (or even slightly under) for a nice scenic ride?

No, you and Cassina.

[Scuba_Steve]

Discourteous and dumb most definitely, but written in legislation... I don't think so. From what I understand from the training sergeant in south Auckland, each lane is treated as a separate road and there is no such thing as an "overtaking lane" or similar connotations. That means that you can "undertake" to pass a slower vehicle in your lane provided that normal safe practice is adhered to. Can any of the police on this forum confirm that?

I do, see below & also see Road User Rule 2004 section 2.1 "Keeping Left"; also that training sergeant should be disciplined if that's what he's/she's teaching

you should probably read that rode code again.

you must use the left most lane available to you - here's a direct link to the road code. http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ro...ping-left.html

i can't believe this is not being taught properly

In NZ you can "undertake" in a separate lane (something I believe most countries ban outright) but you also must keep left unless overtaking or turning right which should really make the former redundant except as we see on here alot don't know the rules

[imdying]

I do, see below & also see Road User Rule 2004 section 2.1 "Keeping Left"; also that training sergeant should be disciplined if that's what he's/she's teaching

He said legislation, i.e. actual law, not just a user friendly interpretation of some laws and a bit of common sense mixed in. Can you find that on www.legislation.govt.nz?

[yevjenko]

He said legislation, i.e. actual law, not just a user friendly interpretation of some laws and a bit of common sense mixed in. Can you find that on www.legislation.govt.nz?

Yep.

Keeping left
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303041.html

and here's the passing on the left bit
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303050.html

[caspernz]

I you are going off your speedo reading you are probably only doing 94kph.
There is nothing scenic about a motorway, keep your eyes on the road and use your mirrors.
If you dont enjoy getting taken from behind, I suggest you let faster traffic through or travel faster to stay with the flow.
Holding up traffic on a motorcycle is never a good idea, unless you like hospital food.
I actually like to travel 5kmh faster than the flow as it drastically reduces the number of vehicles passing you and gives you
a better idea of whats going on in all the lanes and keeps you focused,not sight seeeing.

Ah yep, that sounds like the voice of an experienced rider

[nerrrd]

So topics like this make me wonder...

Am I the only one who actually enjoys sticking to the speed limit (or even slightly under) for a nice scenic ride?

No you're not, welcome to my world. But this...

I had 2 bikes and 4 cars all getting whingey with me the other day for riding at 100 down the motorway. Yes, I'm going to stick to the speed limit and yes, im going to ride that limit in the right hand lane. Because that way I don't have to watch so many directions at once for crazy people trying to cut me off.

...please don't do this. Best to go with the flow, that way you can keep some buffer space around you. And if you can't or don't want to keep up, let the faster traffic past where you can do so safely. Especially if they're Audi drivers - double especially if the Audi is a black sedan, or alternatively an any-coloured Audi SUV. But I digress.

You might even get a wave, 'cos you've earned a bit of respect. Waves are cool.

[rastuscat]

Fuck me dead

That's a kind offer, but no.

[Scuba_Steve]

He said legislation, i.e. actual law, not just a user friendly interpretation of some laws and a bit of common sense mixed in. Can you find that on www.legislation.govt.nz?

Yep I not only gave you the piece of legislation "Road User Rule 2004" but the section it comes under "2.1" titled "Keeping left"

Do you need me to search it out for you too?
Edit: Actually I see yevjenko's already done that for you

[imdying]

Yep.

Keeping left
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303041.html

and here's the passing on the left bit
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303050.html

Brilliant, ta for that

[yevjenko]

Yep I not only gave you the piece of legislation "Road User Rule 2004" but the section it comes under "2.1" titled "Keeping left"

Do you need me to search it out for you too?
Edit: Actually I see yevjenko's already done that for you

Literally a 30 second search....