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    Petition to align New Zealand motorcycle ACC levy structures to LAMS

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    New Zealand’s current motorcycle ACC motorcycle levy structure and the LAMS learner approved motorcycle scheme are in conflict in relation to how the current motorcycle ACC fee is applied to learner approved motorcycles versus more powerful motorcycles that have a greater cost risk to ACC.

    The NZTA LAMS Learner Approved Motorcycles defines a list of motorcycles deemed to be of low enough power that they are suitable for learner/new riders as below (1):

    The NZTA LAMS learner license scheme defines LAMS leaner approved motorcycles as:

    All motorcycles with engine capacities of 250cc and under, except for those on the LAMS-prohibited list.
    Fully electric powered motorcycles with a power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne and under (this includes all fully electric powered motorcycles registered on New Zealand's Motor Vehicle Register as of 1 June 2012).
    All motorcycles manufactured prior to 1960 with an engine capacity of 660cc and under.
    The following list of motorcycles with engine capacities between 251cc and 660cc - these motorcycles must be in standard form as produced by the manufacturer. They cannot be modified in any way to increase the power-to-weight ratio. (See the list of approved motorcycles: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/ licence/getting/motorcycles/ lams.html#approved).

    The ACC Levy is applied to the registration fee for all motorcycles, with motorcycles over 600cc (601cc+) paying a premium of $99.27 over motorcycles of 600cc or less.

    ACC’s justification for this is “more powerful bikes have a greater cost risk.”(2)

    Current ACC Motorcycle Levy Component of registration fees (3)

    Motorcycles up to 600cc $327.91

    Motorcycles 601cc + $427.18

    This leads to a conflict where 24% (85) out of the 352 different makes and models of motorcycles engine capacities from 601cc and 660cc, yet defined by the NZTA as being low powered enough to be learner safe and listed on the LAMS learner approved motorcycles list are considered by ACC to be “More powerful motorcycles” and charged the significantly higher ACC levy rate. This is a significant proportion of the LAMS approved motorcycles with engine capacities from 601cc and 660cc.

    All of the 85 makes and models of motorcycle that are LAMS approved yet have an engine capacity of 601cc to 660cc produce 50% or less of the power than many motorcycles rated at 600cc and therefore receiving the lower ACC levy do, for example the Suzuki GSXR-600, Yamaha R6, Honda CBR600 and others all produce double the power or more of the LAMS approved models of 601cc to 660cc. This goes directly against ACC's claim that motorcycles over 600cc are more powerful so have a greater cost risk.”(2)

    This punishes a large number of existing motorcycle riders who ride lower powered motorcycles with engine capacities from 601cc and 660cc which are still Lams approved, and provides a strong dis-incentive for learners riders to purchase the impacted makes and models of motorcycles, thus narrowing their choices.

    Data Sources:

    (1) http://www.nzta.govt.nz/ vehicle/registration- licensing/fees.html
    (2) http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ sites/all/files/ACC_ QuestionsandAnswers.pdf
    (3) http://www.acc.co.nz/for- individuals/motorcyclists/ index.htm#P34_2384


    We the undersigned call for the ACC Motorcycle Levy structure to be aligned with the NZTA LAMS leaner motorcycle scheme by either

    A) Changing the “Motorcycles up to 600cc” category of the ACC levy to “Motorcycles up to 600cc or LAMS approved”
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    B) Raising the CC changeover point of the ACC motorcycle levy from 601cc to 661cc

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    Signed, good luck - I ride a GSX650FU and would love to pay lower registration fees.
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    Spot on!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddieb View Post
    ...This goes directly against ACC's claim that motorcycles over 600cc are more powerful so have a greater cost risk.”(2)
    Whether I agree with your petition or not what you have stated is as selective use of the material as ACC and government in their use of the accident statistics. Quite simply, the information you quoted above is not what is written in the acc doc. More specifically, it clearly states that the biggest issue is with the size of the bike and not the power.

    ...Therefore, given the bikes you are whining about are the same size and weight as the more powerful sports oriented bikes they are therefore as equally capable of injuring or killing you and should be taxed at the same rate... OMG

    Perhaps if piloted by a learner they should be charged more. I mean is a learner as capable of handling the same or heaver height or weight bike as a full license holder* in an emergency situation. Are they more likely to drop or fall off and suffer an injury from falling from a higher seat or having the weight of their bigger bike land on them or a body part Probably right ?


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    I'm strongly of the opinion that anything registered as a "moped" should be taxed up the whazoo.

    How many scooter riders do the squid impressions? Seriously, those guys with no gear ducking in and out of traffic put themselves at huge risk... and we have to pay for them. Registering a moped is like, $100 a year, or there abouts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi-on-wheels View Post
    I'm strongly of the opinion that anything registered as a "moped" should be taxed up the whazoo.

    How many scooter riders do the squid impressions? Seriously, those guys with no gear ducking in and out of traffic put themselves at huge risk... and we have to pay for them. Registering a moped is like, $100 a year, or there abouts...
    Again, as above, whether I agree or not, you miss the point. The thing is, the moped be such a small beast with the rider considerably closer to the ground and with their feet (on the end of straighter legs) already poised to touch the ground, and the fact that it weighs less than a Mcdonalds combo, they are in a great position to not actually fall off from a great height or get squashed senseless by their own ride and therefore limit the damage they do to themselves....

    Maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi-on-wheels View Post
    ...put themselves at huge risk... and we have to pay for them
    Oh, and... REALLY! Putting yourself at risk and actually making exorbitant amounts of ACC claims are two very different things (I should have read the actual stats while I was reading the acc doc from the OPs post but didnt so happy to be corrected if indeed mopeders actually account for a proportionally high level of ACC payout)

    But still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi-on-wheels View Post
    I'm strongly of the opinion that anything registered as a "moped" should be taxed up the whazoo.

    How many scooter riders do the squid impressions? Seriously, those guys with no gear ducking in and out of traffic put themselves at huge risk... and we have to pay for them. Registering a moped is like, $100 a year, or there abouts...
    When someone falls off or gets knocked off a moped they are going a max of 50 kph not 100 kph

    and while I agree with you in regard to gear there is no law other than a helmet as to clothing and foot wear

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi-on-wheels View Post
    I'm strongly of the opinion that anything registered as a "moped" should be taxed up the whazoo.

    How many scooter riders do the squid impressions? Seriously, those guys with no gear ducking in and out of traffic put themselves at huge risk... and we have to pay for them. Registering a moped is like, $100 a year, or there abouts...
    At the same time bike regos had a big jump moped rego went up from about $56 to $213.93.

    But hey, feel free to pull a figure outa yer arse or wherever you got $100 figure from.
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    Seems odd to be asking for the learner legal bikes that have a high percentage of less experienced riders to pay less acc tax.
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    Motorcycles. Just ride the cunts.

    That said, well done to the organisers of this on being vastly more intelligent than those who think that taking all available car parks in an area at a given time will somehow miraculously have a positive effect on reducing motorcycle licensing costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Seems odd to be asking for the learner legal bikes that have a high percentage of less experienced riders to pay less acc tax.
    You can crash half a dozen MT07 riders to the average Harley Davidson rider because mt07 riders are comparatively cheap to rehabilitate. CEOs and board chairmen cost ACC a fuckload more than retail assistants and insurance clerks to get back to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckylegs View Post
    Quite simply, the information you quoted above is not what is written in the acc doc. More specifically, it clearly states that the biggest issue is with the size of the bike and not the power.
    quoted from the 2nd to last page of the doc referenced

    "that larger and more powerful bikes have a greater cost risk"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    That said, well done to the organisers of this on being vastly more intelligent than those who think that taking all available car parks in an area at a given time will somehow miraculously have a positive effect on reducing motorcycle licensing costs
    Thanks Madness

    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Why not buy a bike smaller than 600cc to learn on if you want to pay lower Reg?
    What if you not learning and are riding the bike you are riding by choice because of it's capabilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    You can crash half a dozen MT07 riders to the average Harley Davidson rider because mt07 riders are comparatively cheap to rehabilitate. CEOs and board chairmen cost ACC a fuckload more than retail assistants and insurance clerks to get back to work.
    Or, in plain English: there's much better money to be made charging according to their ability to pay than charging according to their risk/cost.

    Personally I'd rather they priced and charged income insurance separately from accident insurance. And personally I reckon that given the chance there'd be a few that'd decline income cover all together. Me for one.
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