Querying a speed ticket - should I expect to receive proof of the radar reading?

[yevjenko]

Thanks for posting something actually helpful and not calling me a cunt. Have you actually gone to court to contest a ticket?

Are you sure there is no record of the radar readings?

For the record I probably was going over the limit but cant be sure as my eyes tend to be focussed on whats ahead and around me not what my speedo is reading. If I was speeding then it was not excessive and was safe and appropriate for the conditions.

For those that claim I should just accept it and pay up ill leave for you to do. If the officer claims i was doing a certain speed fine ill pay up as soon as i see some evidence confirming my crime aside from his word. Until then im innocent until proven guilty. Thats why all infringement notices say "alleged infringement".

No they don't need a record - the word of the police will be taken by the Justice of the peace sitting in the traffic court if you appeal. They should show you the speed reading on the display as a matter of course, but this is not a legal requirement. As others have pointed out there is no definite proof that it was you speeding and not someone else, but the justice of the peace don't give a rats arse. they are mostly retired bank managers who will follow the police line over yours any day in the event of the lack of evidence that you were not speeding. Here's the crux. If you do not have any evidence that you were not speeding (and GPS recordings have been deemed as not suitable for evidence) you WILL lose any case.

Pay the $120, take the 20 demerits and watch out for the tax collectors in stripey cars in future.

[Maha]

From the Coromandel/Tauranga exit 477 to almost the Ngatea turn-off is mostly 90kphr zone now.

Interesting, in a weird way. That's like having a Big Mac combo without the chips, too weird to work out.

[f2dz]

Thanks for posting something actually helpful and not calling me a cunt. Have you actually gone to court to contest a ticket?

Are you sure there is no record of the radar readings?

For the record I probably was going over the limit but cant be sure as my eyes tend to be focussed on whats ahead and around me not what my speedo is reading. If I was speeding then it was not excessive and was safe and appropriate for the conditions.

For those that claim I should just accept it and pay up ill leave for you to do. If the officer claims i was doing a certain speed fine ill pay up as soon as i see some evidence confirming my crime aside from his word. Until then im innocent until proven guilty. Thats why all infringement notices say "alleged infringement".

Can hardly call someone a cunt for wanting to get out of a ticket.

I don't know if they record radar readings but wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

If you're going to contest it I'll be interested to hear if you get out of it.

[Reckless]

From the Coromandel/Tauranga exit 477 to almost the Ngatea turn-off is mostly 90kphr zone now.

Interesting, in a weird way. That's like having a Big Mac combo without the chips, too weird to work out.

I traveled down that route last Friday to Waihi/Bowentown. Its 90k almost from the Bombays to after the Tuaranga turn off with a damn near continuous double yellow.
Very very few to 90k even granny and the kids are cruising along at 99. That stretch is very easy pickings for a cop.
If your travelling along at traffic speed it wouldn't be hard to drift to the 102. I'm guessing his limit was 100k so it puts you into the next 10k bracket.

LOL trafiic was down to 40-50k on the way back Sat arvo. Bloody pelted down just about all the way from Waihi to Bombays.
Character forming stuff it was for us two up, feeling that puddle in your crutch as the odd bit got in and trickled down then slowly warmed to body temp

[Kickaha]

Where was this 90 kph zone? I have never seen one before

Saw fucking heaps of 90kmh signs from Tauranga through to HD and then heading back up to Thames

safe speed zone or some such shit on the signs

[Virago]

It's been quite a few months since we had a "I was speeding and got caught - how do I get off it?" thread. Very entertaining.

[marmel]

No they don't need a record - the word of the police will be taken by the Justice of the peace sitting in the traffic court if you appeal. They should show you the speed reading on the display as a matter of course, but this is not a legal requirement. As others have pointed out there is no definite proof that it was you speeding and not someone else, but the justice of the peace don't give a rats arse. they are mostly retired bank managers who will follow the police line over yours any day in the event of the lack of evidence that you were not speeding. Here's the crux. If you do not have any evidence that you were not speeding (and GPS recordings have been deemed as not suitable for evidence) you WILL lose any case.

Pay the $120, take the 20 demerits and watch out for the tax collectors in stripey cars in future.

What he said^

Don't get too carried away with trying to prove a point or listen to some who have posted here who are probably sitting at home with tin foil hats on, if the cop turns up to the JP's hearing your chances of getting off are sweet f**k all and it will cost you extra for court costs and you will waste half your day whereas the cop is still getting paid to be there.

Next time you get stopped for speeding ask the cop if you can have a look at the radar/laser readout, 99% of the time it wouldn't be a problem.

[swarfie]

Saw fucking heaps of 90kmh signs from Tauranga through to HD and then heading back up to Thames

safe speed zone or some such shit on the signs

Don't know why you'd want to go on the main drags anyway....there's heaps of better backroads to take and not many tax collectors use them.
I only travel on main roads when I absolutely have to and generally only in the cage and then I'm happy to trudge along at the legal speed limit.....that's if you can manage even to do that with all the dickhead snails on the road. Generally a chance to do the speed limit on our main roads is a rare thing these days

[nodrog:Me]

The radar guns 9/10 times they'll refuse to show you, the same ones that if they do show you provide no evidence of anything just a number on a LED display, those radars are you talking?

is this your world?

..... Do they need a speed measuring device or not?.......

they had one.

Interesting, in a weird way. That's like having a Big Mac combo without the chips, too weird to work out.

that's fucken weird alright, the chips are the best bit.

[Jin]

Here's an article that may interest you: http://www.fastandsafe.org/Pages/Med...ce18Feb05.shtm

Thanks thats very helpful and confirms my suspicions. If they have no proof of speeding then it should be contested. We are all innocent unless proven guilty and officer plods word is not proof. At least it shouldnt be. Ill wait to see if I get anything more then will probably contest it.

I traveled down that route last Friday to Waihi/Bowentown. Its 90k almost from the Bombays to after the Tuaranga turn off with a damn near continuous double yellow.
Very very few to 90k even granny and the kids are cruising along at 99. That stretch is very easy pickings for a cop.
If your travelling along at traffic speed it wouldn't be hard to drift to the 102. I'm guessing his limit was 100k so it puts you into the next 10k bracket.

Thats the one. Keeping our roads safe hiding behind a tree on a dry straight road in the middle of the day.

No one has been able to answer the question of whether radar readings are kept. Has anyone fought the law and lost? What was the court cost of contesting if anything?

[Jin]

You only pay if you get caught breaking the rules.

if you are going broke from paying, I suspect you arent smart enough to work out why you are paying.

And nowhere does it mention that I am happy paying, in fact id be quite upset paying all the time. But I wouldn't be fuckin stupid enough to whinge about something that is a well known consequence of breaking the rules.

Your mummy must be so proud of you

[nodrog:Me]

Your mummy must be so proud of you

extremely

I'm surprised yours lets you off her tit long enough so you can post on the internets.

Sorry, I shouldn't be picking on your mum.

........ Has anyone fought the law and lost? .......

After all it must be tough for her having to raise a retard.

[The Reibz]

Just pay the ticket and have a beer you dumb shit

[haydes55]

Claim the speed limit is unjust, provide crash records that show how many accidents occurred between 90-100km/h on that stretch of road......... Then you have admitted you were above the speed limit that was posted on the road and you still committed the crime.... You lose the court case.

Claim the officer lied about the radar reading....... Laughter followed by you losing the court case.

Claim that speeding is safe in those conditions..... You pay the fine plus court costs.

I have a half hatched thought that logically makes a bit of sense...........
Claim the officers radar is accurate, admit his radar screen showed 102km/h, but deny your true ground speed was anywhere above 90km/h. The front profile of a motorbike consists largely of the front tire. If you were radared from front on, the only possible way the police officer got a reading higher than my actual speed would be if the officers radar was mistakenly aimed somewhere at the top half of the tire. The top of the tire travels at double the ground speed of the vehicle, the bottom of the tire is stationary on the ground. The officer has proof of the number his radar displayed, the officers word is enough. The officer knows the radar was pointed at you when it displayed the number. However, how could a police officer prove what part of the motorbike the radar/laser beam hit?

[Scuba_Steve]

No one has been able to answer the question of whether radar readings are kept. Has anyone fought the law and lost? What was the court cost of contesting if anything?

Court costs are 130 I think & no there's no requirement to keep records beyond what they wrote down. As mentioned there's no way to even verify the cops claim, it is literally a "because I said" conviction within a guilty until proven innocent system