Querying a speed ticket - should I expect to receive proof of the radar reading?

[Jin]

I got stopped for speeding awhile ago then a few weeks later the ticket arrived in the mail. I then went online and requested full disclosure of what they have.

I have now received a copy of the infringement notice, brief notes made at the time by the officer, a certificate of accuracy for the radar and confirmation of training of the officer. What I really want is proof of the speed I was doing at the time rather than just accepting what the officer told me.

Do they keep logs of radar readings taken to substantiate tickets? If they do is there any reason they didnt include this in the documents?

The cover states that this is what is held by the Police Infringement Bureau and my request has also been forwarded to the issuing officer to supply to me directly items of disclosure that are held in the district. Should I expect to receive from that district radar proof?

[R650R]

Is this the same ticket you had another thread about or a new one?

The police need provide no other evidence should you take it to court other than the expert witness testimony of the cop himself and his record in his notebook of what happened. You do know you can get a ticket for speeding even without a radar gun or calibrated speedo???
At the roadside how did the conversation go, did you admit/agree/concede at any point that you were speeding??? If so you have confessed and have no defence.
I suspect with the ticket being mailed out you severely failed the roadside attitude test and he got tired of listening to you...

[Banditbandit]

That's all you get ...

If you were speeding just pay the ticket ...

[Jin]

Is this the same ticket you had another thread about or a new one?

The police need provide no other evidence should you take it to court other than the expert witness testimony of the cop himself and his record in his notebook of what happened. You do know you can get a ticket for speeding even without a radar gun or calibrated speedo???
At the roadside how did the conversation go, did you admit/agree/concede at any point that you were speeding??? If so you have confessed and have no defence.
I suspect with the ticket being mailed out you severely failed the roadside attitude test and he got tired of listening to you...

The police dont need evidence to issue money orders? Their word should be good enough? Not buying it sorry.

At the roadside I did not admit or concede anything. I just kept my mouth shut and answered his questions. The only "attitude test" failure might have been me not getting off my bike and not removing my helmet. The officers notes refer to me as the "offender" and that i admitted the offence which is not correct.

I just had another read of the notes and it says "Log book filled out: Yes" so they should give me a copy?

[nodrog:Me]

You have the proof you were speeding, the ticket. They dont hand them out for nothing.

[Erelyes]

The police dont need evidence to issue money orders? Their word should be good enough? Not buying it sorry.

Buy it or don't, noone gives a shit. Legally, their word is evidence enough for any court. Unless you can prove to the contrary.

I don't remove helmet at breath testing checks, as there's no need. Any time you are lit up however, remove your helmet. You KNOW they're going to ask for your licence and that they'll want to make sure it's actually your licence.

You've already wasted a bunch of their time and now you're trying to waste a bunch of ours. Since you haven't unequivocally denied the offence in your OP, pay it and fuck off already.

[f2dz]

Like others have said, albeit bluntly, a policeman's word > your word.

Unless things have changed, I believe that you're legally entitled to be able to check the reading on the radar after you get pinged but once you've driven/ridden away there's no record of it.

You didn't mention that you weren't speeding so it comes across like you're just trying to get out of the ticket.

I'll admit I've tried this a few times also, and it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you'll save yourself time and stress if you just pay the infringement.

[pritch]

I then went online and requested full disclosure of what they have.

Full disclosure? For a speeding ticket? You've been watching too much TV. Pay the fucking fine. Learn from it, move on and work on your situational awareness.

While writing that the thought did occur, "There but for the grace of God go I." In the event that did happen though it's unlikely you'll be reading about it on KB.

Just as a matter of interest what is the speed at which you were alleged to be travelling?

[R650R]

The police dont need evidence to issue money orders? Their word should be good enough? Not buying it sorry.

At the roadside I did not admit or concede anything. I just kept my mouth shut and answered his questions. The only "attitude test" failure might have been me not getting off my bike and not removing my helmet. The officers notes refer to me as the "offender" and that i admitted the offence which is not correct.

I just had another read of the notes and it says "Log book filled out: Yes" so they should give me a copy?

A police officers 'word' is evidence once spoken in court, his written notes are evidence. Unless you have some stunning evidence from reliable source to the contrary of the allegation expect to get an arse whipping in court plus court costs and have 'stupid' tagged on your licence every time they check it on computer which means zero leeway next time pulled.
You know there's a lot of false information out there on various social media forums of how to get away with speeding but it relates poorly to the real world, suck it up and pay, move on to another ride.

So what were the alledged circumstances, general speed, locality etc, traffic conditions.....

[Scuba_Steve]

The police dont need evidence to issue money orders? Their word should be good enough? Not buying it sorry.

Welcome to NZ's biggest scam

You have the proof you were speeding, the ticket. They dont hand them out for nothing.

You're not really that ignorant are you??? If they're willing to screw over innocent people like shown in "I am innocent" then there should be no doubt that they'll illegally extort money from people for NZ's biggest scam

Buy it or don't, noone gives a shit. Legally, their word is evidence enough for any court. Unless you can prove to the contrary.

Legally it's not but when has the law ever stopped a good scam especially one operated by those overseeing the law

[nodrog:Me]

Welcome to NZ's biggest scam



You're not really that ignorant are you??? If they're willing to screw over innocent people like shown in "I am innocent" then there should be no doubt that they'll illegally extort money from people for NZ's biggest scam



Legally it's not but when has the law ever stopped a good scam especially one operated by those overseeing the law

You cunts must think you're pretty hot shit if you think you're so important that the police have conspired against you for a couple of your dollars.

[Scuba_Steve]

You cunts must think you're pretty hot shit if you think you're so important that the police have conspired against you for a couple of your dollars.

wow, you really are that stupid...

Also FYI that "couple dollars" is over 60mil/yr & growing

[Grubber]

You cunts must think you're pretty hot shit if you think you're so important that the police have conspired against you for a couple of your dollars.

I agree.
If you attract that much attention from the police then you are doing it all wrong.
When i get a ticket i usually know i was speeding and i payup and get on with it.
We all know the rules.
They must find it hard to sleep at night whilst thinking up all these theories.

[R650R]

wow, you really are that stupid...

Also FYI that "couple dollars" is over 60mil/yr & growing

NZTA funds road traffic policing to the tune of 284 million in the latest available numbers.... http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/na...ppendix-1.html

Seems like a loss making entyerprise of only getting 60mil in fines... As a revenue stream (if it was) it would only be a token drop in the ocean of overall govt spending....
Its kinda like a child saying the parent withholding their pocket money for the week due to not doing chores is fundraising the parents next overseas cruise trip....

[nodrog:Me]

wow, you really are that stupid...

Also FYI that "couple dollars" is over 60mil/yr & growing

I'm not the fucken stupid cunt that was speeding and got caught.

I hate the new age supercop traffic enforcement generation, but I know the rules. I'm just not so high and mighty and definitely retarded enough to break the rules and have a sook about it when I get caught.

"I was caught speeding" whipedy fuckin do, man up and except it, last time I heard cry me a river was somewhere in the middle east.

cock goblins.

p.s. I think his ticket might be less than 60mil