Crash statistics

[caspernz]

Some of us ride because it is an increased risk over car usage ... we are risk takers ...

Also, some of us ride because of pure rebellion - and riding in an illegal manner (speed mainly) and what people assume is an unsafe manner IS the rebellious act ..

How do you make us more risk averse??? You can't ...

And therein lies part of the problem...

[swbarnett]

Number of KM's driven isn't classified quite the same as the crash stats so I have guessed at a couple of things, but see the image below for comparison against passenger cars. Do note this doesn't include passengers, as often motorcycles don't have passengers.

Interesting. I had a quick look at the documents last night but couldn't find the data (should've been in bed hours before...).

As Erelyes said, would be good to add passengers in as well. This would be a more accurate figure as to the risk to any car occupant. If cars have more people per car this does add to the risk (number of potential corpses) over a driver-only vehicle.

BTW: Guessing isn't a good idea when quoting statistics. Especially when you don't say what figures were estimated. It definitely lowers the value of the analysis.

[swbarnett]

And therein lies part of the problem...

I think that the real solution to the problem of the disproportionate injury and death rate for motorcycles is more of them. If motorcycles start being seen as a valid form of transport for the masses then it will attract more of the risk averse and thus skew the stats away from the risk seekers.

[caspernz]

I think that the real solution to the problem of the disproportionate injury and death rate for motorcycles is more of them. If motorcycles start being seen as a valid form of transport for the masses then it will attract more of the risk averse and thus skew the stats away from the risk seekers.

And the starting point might be tolls for one occupant cars on motorways during peak times, with transit lanes for motorcycles.

[Scuba_Steve]

Some of us ride because it is an increased risk over car usage ... we are risk takers ...

Also, some of us ride because of pure rebellion - and riding in an illegal manner (speed mainly) and what people assume is an unsafe manner IS the rebellious act ..

How do you make us more risk averse??? You can't ...

Guy Martin's said as much on a few occasions

I still love motorbike racing – I love it because it can kill you; that’s why I do it. But the mountain bike racing I do for the mental side.

[How can you love something because it can kill you?]

Well, everything in the world has been bloody sanitised with health and safety, hasn’t it. There isn’t really anything left in the world where you can go out and actually kill yourself. I like being in control of my own destiny, really. You can go out racing on your bike, make one little mistake, and that’s it: you’re dead. I love all that. Being so near yet so far.

[baffa]

It's never going to be a great comparison when you can crash a modern car into a post at 70 kph and walk away unharmed.

I'd love to see some insurance stats on cars vs motorbikes vs vans and light trucks, as to show the ratio of at fault to severe losses (and injury).

[Hads]

Ooof. Don't agree with that. Two people travelling by bike may mean two motorcycles, and only one crashes and becomes a stat (or both do, and both do). Passengers should be included.

I didn't include pillions either.

[Banditbandit]

I think that the real solution to the problem of the disproportionate injury and death rate for motorcycles is more of them. If motorcycles start being seen as a valid form of transport for the masses then it will attract more of the risk averse and thus skew the stats away from the risk seekers.

That would do wonders for the percentage stats - but the number of actual motorcycle crashes, injuries and deaths would increase.

[Hads]

I wondered, has it been improving?

So I checked this, 4 grpahs below, higher is better(ie higher number of km's on average per crash)

[Zedder]

I wondered, has it been improving?

So I checked this, 4 grpahs below, higher is better(ie higher number of km's on average per crash)

If other factors, such as alcohol and excessive speed etc have been mitigated then yes.

[Jantar]

These haven't put me off riding, however what I found really interesting is 2/3 of the accidents are caused by the motorbike, additionally the most common reason is loss of control on a right hand turn. For that year at least.

As a comparison, when you look at light passenger vehicle accidents how many of these are caused by the driver?

[FJRider]

If other factors ....

Statistics prove some have died on our roads. And indicate many more will too ...


So ... be safe ... not a statistic ...

[FJRider]

I mean, how exactly does one convince those who are risk tolerant to become a little more risk averse?

Simple really ... It won't happen to ME ...

[FJRider]

As a comparison, when you look at light passenger vehicle accidents how many of these are caused by the driver?

If it's not the driver at (some) fault .. it must have been the passengers fault ... Barstard ...

[Zedder]

Statistics prove some have died on our roads. And indicate many more will too ...


So ... be safe ... not a statistic ...

Well yeah, but that's not my point.