Motorcyclist collides with car?

[pritch]

"A motorcyclist has broken his leg after colliding with a car in New Plymouth on Tuesday."

OK, so I'm not a crash investigator, but from looking at that photo I get the distinct impression that the the rider was more of a collidee than a collider.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-involving-car

[EJK]

Constable Tony Demchy said the man had sustained leg injuries but the female occupant of the car was fine.

Of course, woman was driving.

Was she Asian?

[Ender EnZed]

"Not clear how the accident occurred."

Sure looks like a real mystery.

[Black Knight]

Stop sign-boy racer vehicle-go figure.

[Banditbandit]

"A motorcyclist has broken his leg after colliding with a car in New Plymouth on Tuesday."

OK, so I'm not a crash investigator, but from looking at that photo I get the distinct impression that the the rider was more of a collidee than a collider.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-involving-car

"collides with" does not imply causality or responsibility - that's why the reporters use that word ...

But yeah ... the car is coming off a stop sign ... and hits the bike ... pretty obvious what happened there ...

[5ive]

"A motorcyclist has broken his leg after colliding with a car in New Plymouth on Tuesday."

OK, so I'm not a crash investigator, but from looking at that photo I get the distinct impression that the the rider was more of a collidee than a collider.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-involving-car

Firstly, you're reading an article on the Stuff website... what did you expect in terms of reporting/journalism/grammar (or lack of).

Secondly, without an official accident report and/or court ruling, it is not legally responsible to print or broadcast information that may defame a person involved within the story. You can't presume guilt or innocence, sway public opinion, hinder the investigation or outcome of an investigation and/or court case.

[EJK]

Stop sign-boy racer vehicle-go figure.

Could be said the same for the rider.

"Typical male adrenaline junkie in 20s riding a high powered motorcycle...".

[James Deuce]

"collides with" does not imply causality or responsibility - that's why the reporters use that word ...

You're actually completely wrong. The phrasing does imply blame. "An accident involving" does not. I analysed this in 2008-2009. Roughly 98% of multi vehicle accidents involving motorcycles listed in Fairfax online publications used the phrase "Motorcycle" or "Motorcyclist" collided with (insert other vehicle here). It is so rare that it is listed the other way as to be a simply a brain fart on the part of the person lodging the report who forgot the "rules". I had and still have my suspicions that Fairfax have a policy of implying blame on the part of any motorcyclist involved in any accident that rates as newsworthy.

[Banditbandit]

You're actually completely wrong. The phrasing does imply blame. "An accident involving" does not. I analysed this in 2008-2009. Roughly 98% of multi vehicle accidents involving motorcycles listed in Fairfax online publications used the phrase "Motorcycle" or "Motorcyclist" collided with (insert other vehicle here). It is so rare that it is listed the other way as to be a simply a brain fart on the part of the person lodging the report who forgot the "rules". I had and still have my suspicions that Fairfax have a policy of implying blame on the part of any motorcyclist involved in any accident that rates as newsworthy.

Whatever your personal connotations of the wording are, journalists who assign blame can be done for libel if their apportionment of that blame is wrong ...

In reporting circles, and tested in legal forums, "collided with" does not imply blame. If Fairfax have apportioned blame as you suggest, then the said motorcyclist can sue for libel - but I doubt they would win and I doubt any libel lawyer would take the case ...

Now, semantic and linguistically, in the subject-verb-object relationship, the subject is usually seen as the active participant - however the passive nature of "collided with" negates that implication ... "collided with" does not construct an active involvement on the part of the subject becasue the verb is passive (and that does not mean not moving).

P.S. I'd love to see your analysis.

[willytheekid]

....without an official accident report and/or court ruling, it is not legally responsible to print or broadcast information that may defame a person involved within the story. You can't presume guilt or innocence, sway public opinion, hinder the investigation or outcome of an investigation and/or court case.

YEAH!!...But we KBers are still allowed to aye?

(good!)...fuckin cager's!

[5ive]

YEAH!!...But we KBers are still allowed to aye?

(good!)...fuckin cager's!

For now, but the law is slowly catching up to the internet in order to protect the feelings of very special snowflakes.

[J.A.W.]

J-D nailed it! Well done, a - 100% - accurate appraisal.

[awa355]

Firstly, you're reading an article on the Stuff website... what did you expect in terms of reporting/journalism/grammar (or lack of).

Secondly, without an official accident report and/or court ruling, it is not legally responsible to print or broadcast information that may defame a person involved within the story. You can't presume guilt or innocence, sway public opinion, hinder the investigation or outcome of an investigation and/or court case.

This is KB. You can say anything (and many do) without a shred of fact, evidence, experience, knowledge or ability to reason.

[Laava]

Of course, woman was driving.

Was she Asian?

Thass wasiss!

[pritch]

I understand that the Police don't have the same ability to leap to conclusions that we do, but sometimes the statements they make seem decidedly naff. The Police man on the scene apparently told the press that investigations would continue. Once upon a time we had a Transport Department who would have dealt with the whole thing there and then.

A while back there was a fatal head on crash on a straight section of dry road, in daylight, no intersection, and the Snr Sgt came up with this'
"There are some wheel marks on the side of the grass which indicates one of the vehicles may have been on the wrong side of the road,"

I'da thunk in most head on crashes one of the vehicles was on the wrong side of the road but...

When I first read about this accident I used my freedom to leap, one of the drivers was 69 the other was 86, it is quite possible that one of the victims experienced a medical emergency at the wheel. Whether the Police investigation can determine that or not I don't know.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...plymouth-crash