Where do you want to see bucket racing go in the next 10 years?

[BelindaS]

Tell us a little about your self and how you got involved in the sport (friends, seen at a car park etc , type of bike you like ( 2 or 4 stroke ) and why , what keeps you in the sport , and what would pee you of if rules changed , do you like bulding your own bike .frame ,engine etc , or just the riding . i may add more to this later , will post my thoughts later . thanks

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-to-win/page27

[seymour14]

For the good of the sport going forward, we need to use this forum more openly for rule changes or potential rule changes. That way there is less likelihood of the final "dash for cash" that happens with rule change applications right at the point that rule changes dates are about to close.

And rule changes that may prove good still need to be talked over with the ones who it affects most. We all have a stake in the sport.

In saying that, I have put in for mandatory pub stops at the halfway point of any given race...in hindsight I should have run it past any tee totallers amongst us.

[TZ350]

"and what would pee you of if rules changed" Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.

Hi Belinda, actually the rules have not changed midseason, pit bikes have always been excluded by the non competition rule, they by definition are not eligible now or have ever been eligible for F4 or F5, but some people like them and a few would like to race them.

I see you are from Auckland, Bucket racing at Mt Wellington has always tried to accommodate pit bikes one way or another in a common sense sort of way. They have bent over backwards controversially letting them race in F4 and as numbers grew offering to run their own class if they could field six or more.

From what I have seen most pitbike riders graduated to Bucket legal bikes but a die hard pitster having been allowed to ride is now behaving as if it is their right, well it is not. It looks like a case of give an inch and they demand a mile.

The situation has been discussed at some length by the committee and generally by the riders in the pits.

I understand the pitsters side had been put forcefully to Mel an organiser (Also Brian's partner) at several meetings. I guess the pitsters have pushed the point far enough that a definitive decision and a clear statement had to be made.

If this is upsetting you and your family you may need to look at what part they have played.

But as it is, pitsters are not an eligible bike so are not going to be allowed to run in F4 or F5 but I understand if you can field six or more the organisers are open to running a class specifically for you and the other riders are happy to give up some of their track time, now how much fairer than that do you want it to be????

[TZ350]

I have put in for mandatory pub stops at the halfway point of any given race...in hindsight I should have run it past any tee totallers amongst us.

Bit of a tea totaller myself, but would be happy for a cup of tea and a lay down mid race.

[cotswold]

Bit of a tea totaller myself, but would be happy for a cup of tea and a lay down mid race.

TZee if you lie down mid race they disqualify you.......

[TZ350]

TZee if you lie down mid race they disqualify you.......

Only if the handlebars of my mustache touch the ground.

[Yow Ling]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-to-win/page27

Do you sell Pit bikes maybe ?

[mr bucketracer]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-to-win/page27

not very happy to here this. Will post later

[Bert]

not very happy to here this. Will post later

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

[steamroller]

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

looks like all the talk to get young mx boy there on 85 was never going to happen as that would be a motard bike would they not??

[F5 Dave]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-to-win/page27

Dear Belinda. I've been involved in the sport for over 25 yrs. It has been great fun and good sport. You sound tedious. I hope never to meet you. Try something else, maybe pony shows. Get a lawyer and complain loudly. Are you from Auckland? Sure sounds like it.

[mr bucketracer]

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

after some ringing about there is way more than meets the eye happing here (bullying) is the right word , engines are the key to get ride of them ,not frames it seems .. ok that counts out prombly 6 -7 out the north island .. great guys . thought we just get on and fun out there ( more the merra ) most in b grade and only race for chocolate fish ! if your getting ya ass kicked in A ...well (go faster) , raced with them , never had a promblem ,,not like there doing a 180k on a big track, i'v meet the guys concered , real nice guys

[mr bucketracer]

Dear Belinda. I've been involved in the sport for over 25 yrs. It has been great fun and good sport. You sound tedious. I hope never to meet you. Try something else, maybe pony shows. Get a lawyer and complain loudly. Are you from Auckland? Sure sounds like it.

nasty.....

[F5 Dave]

Probably, but I'm known as a nice guy, because largely I am, but talk about bleating.we don't need this.

[Bert]

Jump on Bert time, by team mates.

looks like all the talk to get young mx boy there on 85 was never going to happen as that would be a motard bike would they not??

No - conversion was the plan if you recall. Wheels, clipons etc.
Or a seperate class. But slightly different with numbers and track size.

after some ringing about there is way more than meets the eye happing here (bullying) is the right word , engines are the key to get ride of them ,not frames it seems .. ok that counts out prombly 6 -7 out the north island .. great guys . thought we just get on and fun out there ( more the merra ) most in b grade and only race for chocolate fish ! if your getting ya ass kicked in A ...well (go faster) , raced with them , never had a promblem ,,not like there doing a 180k on a big track, i'v meet the guys concered , real nice guys

There is likely more than meets the eye on the decision.
P.s. Not saying the guys aren't nice and more the merrier.
But you're right.