Cliffhanger investigation

**Paul in NZ** · 29th August 2016, 12:04

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ted-by-coroner

Hmm - two very sad events being investigated by the Coroner... Not sure where this will end..

**sidecar bob** · 29th August 2016, 17:43

Didn't know Malcom, but wharfy was a pretty good bugger.

**jellywrestler** · 29th August 2016, 18:01

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Didn't know Malcom, but wharfy was a pretty good bugger.

both new the risks and wharfy particularly was an experienced racer, malcolm wasn't far behind either.

**Drew** · 29th August 2016, 18:04

Neither were fast riders. I'll never understand how they crashed o that corner.

What the fuck is Tuckerman chiming in for? Vacant old cunt has never had anything to do with the Cliffhanger, aND isn't even an MNZ official as far as I know.

**pritch** · 29th August 2016, 18:16

Originally Posted by Drew

What the fuck is Tuckerman chiming in for? Vacant old cunt has never had anything to do with the Cliffhanger, aND isn't even an MNZ official as far as I know.

He is presumably inspired by Andy Warhol's prediction that in the future everybody will be famous for fifteen minutes? That might be his shot at it.

**Drew** · 29th August 2016, 18:22

It was an MNZ event at one point too.

**Maha** · 29th August 2016, 18:36

Originally Posted by Drew

Neither were fast riders. I'll never understand how they crashed o that corner.

What the fuck is Tuckerman chiming in for? Vacant old cunt has never had anything to do with the Cliffhanger, aND isn't even an MNZ official as far as I know.

Tuckerman aside...

Ian James, course steward for the Cliffhanger race, said ''it was a case of very experienced riders making errors of judgment''.

Constable Glenn Marshall of the Wellington crash unit investigated both deaths said ''Waugh could not negotiate the corner at the speed he was going and the line he had taken. The road was not suitable to the speed involved between 188kmh and 218kmh''

He said ''Foster was probably travelling at 178kmh on his Ducati motorcycle when he failed to take the moderate, He was riding at or near the limit of his ability''

**Kickaha** · 29th August 2016, 18:45

Originally Posted by Maha

Constable Glenn Marshall of the Wellington crash unit investigated both deaths said ''Waugh could not negotiate the corner at the speed he was going and the line he had taken. The road was not suitable to the speed involved between 188kmh and 218kmh''

He said ''Foster was probably travelling at 178kmh on his Ducati motorcycle when he failed to take the moderate, He was riding at or near the limit of his ability''

Constable Glenn Marshall sounds like a muppet

**Drew** · 29th August 2016, 18:51

It's a 200+k bend. Back one gear from the limiter in top and pin it through the turn.

**sidecar bob** · 29th August 2016, 18:56

Originally Posted by Drew

It's a 200+k bend. Back one gear from the limiter in top and pin it through the turn.

While wharfy was inarguably a top bloke, it had never occurred to me that he was "very expierenced" he was more an enthusiastic novice. Not knocking him, just that the coroner probably should not have been shielded from the truth.
Can't/won't comment on the other fella, as I have no recollection of ever meeting him or observing his skill level.

**Drew** · 29th August 2016, 19:03

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

While wharfy was inarguably a top bloke, it had never occurred to me that he was "very expierenced" he was more an enthusiastic novice. Not knocking him, just that the coroner probably should not have been shielded from the truth.
Can't/won't comment on the other fella, as I have no recollection of ever meeting him or observing his skill level.

Neither of them were hard chargers. They were both pretty slow.

**sidecar bob** · 29th August 2016, 19:05

Originally Posted by Drew

Neither of them were hard chargers. They were both pretty slow.

During the last three plus decades I have been around road racing, I have observed that most fatalities have occurred in the last third of the field.
That puts you & kickaha in a high risk group.

**mossy1200** · 29th August 2016, 19:07

Its an odd world. People role the dice everyday with a probability of a terrible outcome but the minute someone has introduced some control measures the outcome becomes overly scrutinized and a blame game begins.
Living is dangerous. Your only safe when you are no longer living.

**merv** · 29th August 2016, 19:14

The Coroner looks at fatalities so it isn't like he is singling this event out really so don't read too much into this.

**Drew** · 29th August 2016, 19:17

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

During the last three plus decades I have been around road racing, I have observed that most fatalities have occurred in the last third of the field.
That puts you & kickaha in a high risk group.

Come to the Cliffhanger next year, see how that works out for ya.