Legal to Ride on Car License Over 125cc

[Hawk]

***New information update***

Apparently the manufacturer has to register it with 'Land Transport Safety Authority' as a car for them to be legal to ride on car license.

At this stage, this would be the Yamaha Tricity (all versions), Piaggio MP3 300cc and the Cam Am Spyder (although not sure in NZ for the last).

Know idea if this is correct or not though?

Spyder is registered as a car in NZ

[Gremlin]

The confusion you're getting is because there is no consistency. Some 3 wheelers are registered as cars, some as bikes, sometimes even the same model depending on whether NZ new or import. There are adjustments for those registered as cars for things like needing to wear a helmet, but not have seatbelts etc.

Essentially, the most clarity you're going to get is around registration. If it's registered as a car, then you need a Class 1 on your Drivers licence. If it's a bike, then you need a Class 6.

[FJRider]

Thanks for the link, but this seems a little conflicting as well. Reason I say this is the link states trikes under 1000kg can be registered as cars, however I have heard (could be BS), that the Piaggio MP3 400cc (and higher), cannot be registered as a car and only the 300cc (and below), can. This goes against the link info as the Piaggio is around the 255kg area.

I found this ...

http://www.autobase.co.nz/motorbikes...er/2831294.htm

[FJRider]

Sounds like he does not want to get a motorbike license though which rules out a 250 bike.

But it doesn't rule out a 300cc Piaggio MP3 it would seem ... and if THAT option suits him ... why not ... ??

Making decisions without knowing your options is stupid. Finding out his options is the sole purpose of this thread. And the class of motorcycles (with two wheels) that can be legally ridden on a class 1 license ... are well under 250cc.

But I'm sure he appreciates your ... help ... ??

http://www.autobase.co.nz/motorbikes...er/2831294.htm

[jasonu]

Am a complete noob to the biking world (always wanted to ride but ended up with a car), so please go easy on me lol.

I have been informed that there are some bikes that can be ridden using a car license which are above 50cc (i.e. Yamaha Tricity, Piaggio MP3, etc etc), however does anyone know if this rule only applies to trikes, or alike, which are registered as cars? I have been told that the Piaggio MP3 is considered a car if 300cc but the 400cc model is considered a bike/trike and requires bike licensing.

I am looking to obtain one of these for my sheety Auckland motorway commute, but obviously would not be seeking to do this without getting some standard bike training and becoming confident on one first. And yes I will be looking to getting a bike at some stage with full bike license but this is what I am aiming at now

I do not like the idea of anything below 200cc, does anyone know of where I might be able to get a full list of bike/trikes that can be ridden using a car license and are over 125cc? Information seems to be quite limited for these.

Anyone who wants to ride any sort of moped, scooter or motorcycle legally on public roads should be made to get a proper motorcycle license before being allowed to do so.

[jafagsx250]

Lol, agreed and something I will def aim toward; at this stage though am just after a trike for commute. The Tricity is 4.5-5k new (inc road costs and GST). The Piaggio is very expensive though, so am on a second hand scout for that.

I'm not trying to convince you to get a bike as I don't mind what you get but for 5 grand you can get a sweet bike or that fxr150 and spend a grand on gear and you'll have 2.3 grand left. Just seems more cost effective to get a bike to Mr.

get learners licence - ride this, $1700 and it's yours! lane splitting machine, so thin and agile, perfect for motorway commute

When I was going to go to uni it was either one of those or a cbr125r for commuting. Would be excellent at it.


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[Swoop]

a 50cc would not allow me to touch the motorway.

From what I've witnessed, some "scroterists" would not see this as an impediment to being on the motorway...

[jafagsx250]

get learners licence - ride this, $1700 and it's yours! lane splitting machine, so thin and agile, perfect for motorway commute

Is this in dork land like your profile suggests?

[Moi]

The Piaggio MP3s that are being offered for sale as "ride it on a car licence" may well be the LT version. The original version could only be registered as a bike, so Piaggio developed the LT version which complies with EU regulations about what can be ridden on a car licence. The LT version has a wider track at the front than the original and also has a foot brake with operates both front and rear brakes, as well as the usual hand brakes.

If these vehicles can be registered as a car and so carry car number plates both front and rear then they should be treated as a car when it comes to bus, and T2/3, lanes and not be allowed to be used in those lanes. It is registered as a car then it is a car and cars are not permitted to use bus lanes.

If you seriously want to commute on two-wheels then seriously consider either a bike, which you has discounted, or a scooter round the 150+cc and begin on getting your bike licence.

[WristTwister]

I am looking to obtain one of these for my sheety Auckland motorway commute, but obviously would not be seeking to do this without getting some standard bike training and becoming confident on one first. And yes I will be looking to getting a bike at some stage with full bike license but this is what I am aiming at now

I do not like the idea of anything below 200cc.

Just bite the bullet and do the Basic Handling Course and Learner Theory test, then you can ride any LAMS approved crotch rocket your heart desires.

[Moi]

I would have thought though just because a trike qualifies for car registration it can not be called a car in name as well. Perhaps they need to be given a registration between what you pay for a car and a bike as they do offer a mostly wet road safety advantage over a bike.

If it is registered as a car and if that's what the vehicle is recorded as on its registration document then it is a car... they carry car number plates... it's a car...

and should be treated as one...

[FJRider]

The Piaggio MP3s that are being offered for sale as "ride it on a car licence" may well be the LT version. The original version could only be registered as a bike, so Piaggio developed the LT version which complies with EU regulations about what can be ridden on a car licence. The LT version has a wider track at the front than the original and also has a foot brake with operates both front and rear brakes, as well as the usual hand brakes.

If these vehicles can be registered as a car and so carry car number plates both front and rear then they should be treated as a car when it comes to bus, and T2/3, lanes and not be allowed to be used in those lanes. It is registered as a car then it is a car and cars are not permitted to use bus lanes.

If you seriously want to commute on two-wheels then seriously consider either a bike, which you has discounted, or a scooter round the 150+cc and begin on getting your bike licence.

Well if they are registered as cars ... why are these Piaggio's ... the MP500 series (Actually 460cc) on the LAM's list ... ??

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/07...-review-photos

But in my opinion .... WristTwister is correct. For minimal effort and cost ... a class 6L is available. Heaps of bikes then available that handle better and more power and speed) than a 3 wheel auto-cycle ...

[FJRider]

I would have thought though just because a trike qualifies for car registration it can not be called a car in name as well. Perhaps they need to be given a registration between what you pay for a car and a bike as they do offer a mostly wet road safety advantage over a bike.

The Piaggio MP3s (and all the Piaggio range) are actually on the NZTA LAM's list. Thus ... they are not cars ... They are (at least in NZ) ... Motorcycles.

[FJRider]

At this stage, this would be the Yamaha Tricity (all versions), Piaggio MP3 300cc and the Cam Am Spyder (although not sure in NZ for the last).

Know idea if this is correct or not though?

In New Zealand ... only a valid car licence is required to operate the Can-Am Spyder.

http://au.brp.com/spyder/shopping-to...uirements.html

If you have the money ....

[Moi]

Well if they are registered as cars ... why are these Piaggio's ... the MP500 series (Actually 460cc) on the LAM's list ... ??

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/07...-review-photos

But in my opinion .... WristTwister is correct. For minimal effort and cost ... a class 6L is available. Heaps of bikes then available that handle better and more power and speed) than a 3 wheel auto-cycle ...

The first MP3/Fuoco scooters that came into NZ were from the original series and they are classified as motorbikes, both here and in the EU:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1202615359.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1211174680.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1160483157.htm

Piaggio altered the front track and fitted a foot brake and called them "LT" which complied with EU regulations which allowed them to be ridden with a full drivers licence. The one in that article is an LT version - there's a foot brake on the right foot board [like the foot brake on traditional Vespa scooters].

Agree about doing the learn to ride a bike and get a 6F licence in time - whether you ride a 150cc scooter or a 1800cc cruiser: do the training and ride safe...