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    Attention: Any Vtr1000 owners?

    OK so I've had a few issues with my charging system lately so here is a run down on checks specific to a VTR, other bikes will be different:

    Cold checking the Alternator - engine off cold checks -

    the plug for this is under the seat just behind the fuel tank, the alternator is under a cover on the left hand side of the engine - follow the black wire up! Theres three wires coming from the alternator that go to a plug and socket - unplug it. The wires running to the alternator are all yellow on mine, as its a three phase ac generator it doesn't matter which one is which. The resistance between any of these on a good alternator should be pretty low (ie less than 0.5 ohms). This makes it hard to tell if your windings have gone short circuit. A better check is to use a multimeter that can measure inductance. The inductance between the three phases should be around 1.12mH. Its hard to explain the difference but basically a straight piece of wire or a shorted out coil will have almost no inductance but will give the same resistance reading as a coil of wire.

    So if the resistance/inductance checks between the yellow wires is OK then you need to check bewteen each wire and ground - ie the frame of the bike. This should be high - ie no connection between the frame and any of the yellow wires (this is with the rectifier unplugged).

    Hot Checks for the Alternator.

    With everything plugged back in start the bike and check the AC output from the Alternator - between any of the yellow wires you should have around 12VAC, depending on your multimeter and other factors. If you have a frequency reading function on your meter you can use this to read off the revs like a Tachometer - as you blip the throttle you should see the frequency change. The output voltage won't change with engine revs but the frequency will.

    Rectifier Cold Checks - Engine OFF!

    Unbolt the rectifier and check underneath where the green earth tag goes onto to see if theres any corrosion between the rectifier and the frame (there was on mine) - I also put some heatsink compound (from Jaycar) under the new rectifier.

    Rectifier Hot checks - Engine running

    With everything put back together check that you have the AC voltage from the generator at the plug going into the rectifier - again all three on mine were yellow and you should have the same voltage as before (around 12VAC). Then check for DC output between Green earth tag and the red and white wire, you should have between 13.8 and 14.4 volts, if you raise the revs to around 6K it shouldn't raise the voltage by much, if it goes to 15V I'd say it was a problem, if it doesn't go above 12.8 volts then you've got a problem too. The output from the rectifier also goes through a fuse on the starter block under left hand seat cowl. When the engines running the rectifier should be getting warm/hot. Not so hot you can't put your hand on it though.

    I had a blown rectifier which took out my alternator, I didn't find out my alternator was stuffed until I replaced the rectifier! I got both replacements from Electrex in the UK - cheap and fast service. I've heard of other people getting it worse than me - recitifiers crapping out and taking out pretty much all the other electrics on the bike - so I think I'm lucky!

    If this isn't easy to follow send me a message and I'll give you a few more clues. Make sure you put everything back together before you fire up the engine!

    Cheers

    John
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    jonbouy,
    would you know if I should have oil leaking out of the bolt holes on the alternator cover?
    I was running some tests and was thinking of taking the cover off when all of a sudden I see oil leaked out onto my bench after removing a few of the bolts. I'm thinking I have bigger problems?
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by xDishHog View Post
    jonbouy,
    would you know if I should have oil leaking out of the bolt holes on the alternator cover?
    I was running some tests and was thinking of taking the cover off when all of a sudden I see oil leaked out onto my bench after removing a few of the bolts. I'm thinking I have bigger problems?
    thanks
    Yes there will be oil behind the cover.

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    Yes mate there will be some build up behind the cover, nothing to worry about have some rags handy.
    I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..

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    thanks for the quick replys. I feel somewhat better and am now heading back to the garage to run the above tests. My brother wants his multimeter back asap!
    thanks again.

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    my first test shows that the resistance between yellows on the alternator is .6 which looks bad from your trouble shooting steps. Currently unable to get the bike started as the battery is too low. But it looks like I have alternator issues and can I get it rewired?
    I did some tests a while back and when the bike was running I was barely getting 12.5 - 12.8 volts DC on the battery posts.

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    Sounds about right, as long as they don΄t read 0.6 ohm to the frame of the bike?
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    finally got it started.... took it to a automotive shop that repairs alternators and the fella helped test it.
    With my cables plugged in I was getting something like 12.4v AC between two of the three yellow wires just by the tank. The third wire was much lower. When we disconnected the plug and tested the output it would crank up and down from 20v to 60v.
    Plugged it back in and it was down again. I do believe it is the regulator/rectifier. I haven't ridin the bike for a bit but when I went out to pull the regulator off it was actually warm to the touch and my battery was dead. This unit I do believe is screwed and I ordered one from a guy on ebay for $44.73 Canadian as opposed to $200 at the dealer. I plan on putting a heat sink on the unit to dissipate heat ($2.49).

    thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by xDishHog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by xDishHog View Post
    finally got it started.... took it to a automotive shop that repairs alternators and the fella helped test it.
    With my cables plugged in I was getting something like 12.4v AC between two of the three yellow wires just by the tank. The third wire was much lower. When we disconnected the plug and tested the output it would crank up and down from 20v to 60v.
    Plugged it back in and it was down again. I do believe it is the regulator/rectifier. I haven't ridin the bike for a bit but when I went out to pull the regulator off it was actually warm to the touch and my battery was dead. This unit I do believe is screwed and I ordered one from a guy on ebay for $44.73 Canadian as opposed to $200 at the dealer. I plan on putting a heat sink on the unit to dissipate heat ($2.49).

    thanks for the help
    It's a Honda. The first point of call for charging issues should always be the reg/rec. There are a vast array of solutions that Honda owners use keep their reg/rec cool from closed loop freon refrigeration, through peltiers to heatsink and fan units out of a PC.

    This guy's solution is elegant and simple.

    http://vtr1000f.wickidnet.com/

    Personally, I'd avoid replacing it with another Honda part. It will have a chance of failing again.

    Try this instead.

    http://www.motorcycle-road-and-race....ucts_id=406430
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    I'm guessing you guys have the pre 2001 model. I've not heard of many of the later bikes having either the CCT or the R/R going. Mine certainly did 70k without issue, only having to replace the battery after 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xDishHog View Post
    Just what is a L-Plate Rider?
    You can get that changed by either posting more posts...
    Or going into your UserCP and go into "Edit Your Details", then change the "Custom User Title" to anything you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xDishHog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickbuck View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatjim View Post
    I'm guessing you guys have the pre 2001 model. I've not heard of many of the later bikes having either the CCT or the R/R going. Mine certainly did 70k without issue, only having to replace the battery after 5 years.
    You could be right, not heard of many new hondas having common reg/rect problems.
    I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..

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