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    Mongoose id MicroDots Marking System

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    Mongoose id MicroDots Marking System - 2in1 Home & Car Kit: $268.00
    Available from Dick Smith (Online mainly), as well as many other retailers I would imagine. As well as from: http://www.idmicrodot.co.nz/

    For the full description of the product/system and information on how it works, visit the website. I recently purchased the above item. I wanted an extra deterrent to slightly increase the chances of putting off any would be scumbuckets. The kit comes security sealed in a VHS tape like plastic box. There is foam moulding inside with two small compartments. There is also a manual, 2 snail-mail registration cards, 2 sheets of small warning/deterrent stickers (about 100 to 150) & 2 medium and 2 large window stickers (decal is on sticky side, to see from the outside) which I used in my car. In the foam mould, there are two "lipgloss tube" like cavities or compartments which hold the 2 microdot tubes. The silver cap tube is for Home/Office contents. Gold cap tube is for vehicly only. The lid unscrews to remove the attached applicator brush. After fair to vigorous shaking before and during, this brush is used to carefully apply the id MicroDots two either of the 2 scenarios mentioned above. The vehiclekit is for cars, boats and motorbikes (please refrain from thy mighty red fury, as you can see this relates to motorbikes too ). If I had a bike, I'd definitely have this kit applied. Just the though of the hundreds of security dots around the bike/vehicle would hopefully put off at least some thieves. I know I wouldn't want to sell stolen goods which might have id dots on them!

    The id MicroDots are just that, micro. The are the size of a pinhead, but have many rows (12 or more) of information printed on them. The info is repeated over and over on each line. The info consists of the item's name/website and serial number, which is unique to you (you and only you can have more kits sent to you with the same serial number to re-apply after many years or to add to new items, if you request online and wait 30 days). When holding an id dot on the end of your finger, even with a conventional magnifying glass you can't make out any writing, let alone read any. The stickers are the first line of deterrent, like home alarm signs. Then the fact that even if a thief spends 6 months trying to find and scrape off all the id MicroDots, he/she will never find all of them, and the police need only one out of the hundreds that can be/should be applied (in the recommended areas but ALSO in your own random and discreet areas) to identify the rightful owner of the property.

    The application is like using nail pollish or white-out / tippex. You brush on the solution which is a mixture of lacquer (which dries to a clear, super hard finish), pink dots and id MicroDots. Both the lacquer and pink dots are luminous under ultraviolet / black light. When applied as per instructions, and with due care (took me 3 hours for all my home/office items' application and 2.5 hours for my vehicle application), the end result is not visible unless you either look closely or know where to look. It is then instructed that you call your insurance company and let them know that you have added this security system to your insured property.

    The most important step is to register your kits. Online is the easiest and fastest, but as I mentioned there are cards in the kit to post. Once registered your details are stored on the the secure/private database and if your property is stolen, you notify the police that you have this security system in place and if/when police find your property and read the id dots (using a special magnifying reader), they can trace it to you, retrieve your details and return your property.

    The following text in italics and smaller font, between the two markers, is a cut/paste of the e-mail I submitted to Mongoose tonight after I finished applying the last of the two kits:

    *****E-Mail*****
    I just wanted to take this opportunity to relate my experience with the 2in1 Home & Car id MicroDot marking system I recently purchased. I had a severe motor cycle accident just over a year ago, which left me with one paralysed arm.

    With the obvious exception of it taking longer with one arm, I on average found the kits easy to use, and the finished result more than acceptable. I did find however, that on smooth surfaces (plastic or car paint, etc...) it took a little manipulation of the brush to get as many dots on the area that I wanted. When used on rougher surfaces (textured metal in the car engine compartment, textured plastic, etc...) it was extremely easy to apply.

    Even with the vigorous shaking of the applicator tube before use for 4 or 5 minutes, as well as with a 10 or 15 second shake after every 2 or 3 dips of the brush, I found that the lacquer got used up first, leaving a small to small/medium cluster of id MicroDots at the bottom of the tube. The first kit I used was the Home/Office (silver cap) kit, and I was able to mark all the items I wanted to before that happened, so it wasn't really an issue.

    The second Car (gold cap) kit also left a small/medium amount of id MicroDots at the bottom while there was only a tiny amount of lacquer left. Once again, by then I had marked everything recommended as well as numerous random locations of my own, so it also wasn't an issue. However from my previous home/officed kit experience the night before, I planned to use pliers to remove the black neck liner from the car kit to allow easier removal of the last cluster of id dots, once I had completely finished. This made an amazing difference, allowing me to remove the brush with about 2 to 5 times as many dots on it than with the black neck liner in place. This was very useful after I had completed the application, as it let me access and use up all the remaining id dots on 8 to 12 extra random locations, over and above my previous random/hidden locations. I definitely understand why the black neck liner is there, it facilitates metered/dosed and gradual distribution of the id dots, to ensure the applicator lasts long enough to complete the average application.

    My only small criticisms would be the slight difficulty in applying ones preferred number of id dots to smooth surfaces with the brush, and not always being able to get the pink uv visible dots when you want them (even though I know the lacquer itself is luminous/visible under a black/uv light). In the future, I'm sure there could be new ways of applying the kit, possibly something like a micro version of a large syringe or polyfiller tube with a shaped/spatula like nozzle? With new technologies coming out, that might affect that too. As I said in the beginning, the brush was just about perfect, so if it stayed exactly like it is now, I'd buy it again, and again.

    I especially like the stickers, there were just enough for each applications' sites. They are very visible and well laid out/designed. I was more than happy to use all 4 window stickers - 2 medium & 2 large outward facing (decal on sticky side) stickers on my brand new car, which I am very fussy/obsessive about in terms of looks.

    In other words, I am pleased with the result of the two kits applications, and will happliy buy more kits in the future when I need to apply id dots to new items, or re-apply id dots to my current items. Thank you.

    *****E-Mail*****


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    Can you get micro dots made of C4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    Can you get micro dots made of C4?
    Sounds like they'd make good shotgun pellets. A blast in face just proove you've got the right fucker trying steal ya bike.

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    Good to see its availible on the market now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneChucker
    he/she will never find all of them, and the police need only one out of the hundreds that can be/should be applied (in the recommended areas but ALSO in your own random and discreet areas) to identify the rightful owner of the property.
    Which begs the questions.
    1) Do the police even bother to look for stolen property?
    2) Do they check each piece of recovered property for micro dots?
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    We looked at stocking this some time ago. Enquiries to the cops revealed that they didn't have the scanning equipment. That may have changed now though.
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    Are they going to stop someone stealing your car and burning it out at the north end of Kariotahi Beach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    Which begs the questions.
    1) Do the police even bother to look for stolen property?
    2) Do they check each piece of recovered property for micro dots?
    WE do, always run serial numbers for checks when doing search warrants or stop a dodgy bugger with too many stereos etc.

    And the biggest problem?

    People DON'T record serial numbers!!! (how many of you lot have?).

    If we knew that stolen items matching the description of what we had on front of us had micro-dots we would get them checked with a black light at least - and follow up if we got a positive result.

    No, it won't stop your pride'n'joy being stolen and burnts but it WILL enable recovered stolen property to be identified and make it harder for the burglar to have the stuff on him and try the story about 'got of the guy that bought it new' etc.
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    Doesn't one have to record the serial number on the change of ownership form when buying/selling a vehicle? So surely everyone has a copy of it?

    Or am I thinking of something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quartida
    Doesn't one have to record the serial number on the change of ownership form when buying/selling a vehicle? So surely everyone has a copy of it?

    Or am I thinking of something else?
    I think he meant with general stolen stuff like TV, video, DVD, stereo, cd's, whiteware, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    WE do, always run serial numbers for checks when doing search warrants or stop a dodgy bugger with too many stereos etc.

    And the biggest problem?

    People DON'T record serial numbers!!! (how many of you lot have?).

    If we knew that stolen items matching the description of what we had on front of us had micro-dots we would get them checked with a black light at least - and follow up if we got a positive result.

    No, it won't stop your pride'n'joy being stolen and burnts but it WILL enable recovered stolen property to be identified and make it harder for the burglar to have the stuff on him and try the story about 'got of the guy that bought it new' etc.
    I know, people don't bother taking the time (not that much) to record the details of their property, and then bitch when police don't find anything after reporting a burglary/theft... "Yeah officer, it's a white iPod", or "they took my silver Sharp TV"...

    I have the Make, Model, Serial No. / VIN No., series/batch no. if applicable, description (from memory or records) and now id MicroDot serial number of every single item I own (from a $30 phone Data cable to a normal many K's of $ vehicle). Got a copy on my mobile/organiser, a spare on my emergency mobile and another copy on my pc... Sounds pedantic, but it only takes a couple of hours once, then adding them as you buy.

    Adding this security system / deterrent is meant just for that. No it won't stop someone who is hell bent on stealing something they will never own (if they perpetuate that behaviour), and then destroying it in spite as if to take it away from people they despise (from some twisted form of jealousy), even though that is itself rather pointless with the majority of people being insured. Some people will always be third class society rotting feacal residue. If adding the id MicroDots (and their warning lables) prevents one act of crime or convicts one scabby offscourer of society, the effort and outlay will be worth it!

    With your MicroDot serials number(s) registered online with the company (mandatory for the kit to function), as well as with your insurance company, when you report a crime and inform the police of the MicroDots (and give them your serial no.(s)), as well as the FULL details of the item(s) stolen, there is a much better chance of either getting your gear back and/or convicting the culprit(s). As I said, if I were a thieving pustule I would much rather steal a car/laptop/TV without MicroDots, as not only would it be a pain in the ass to TRY find all the MicroDots, but there is a higher chance that the owner of the property is more conscientious with regards to recording the full product details. That way either being caught with something stolen, or trying to sell it (at Cash Convertors TYPE places) would almost certainly bring up a red flag when the serial number was checked.

    All this however, does nothing to stop the vandals who "Wilfully Damage" property, just for the fun of it. I couldn't even begin to convey the almost uncontainable anger I feel when coming across vandalism. Even just "tagging" / graffiti, but more the smashing of car windows, keying of cars (sometimes just because it's a rival or make they don't like), slashing tyres, etc... So many negative adjectives come to mind I couldn't describe the feelings I have for these types of people, and yes there is a type/class of person that does this. No comprehension of society values, no respect, no education, no worth to society at all, often no hope of ever being useful to society. I mean, why can't they just eat cake?

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    Would it really be that hard to buy yourself a black/UV light if you were thieving stuff and scrape/sand/chemically remove the dots yourself?

    I'm not condoning those who steal shit. I think they're scum, but just checking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMelon
    Would it really be that hard to buy yourself a black/UV light if you were thieving stuff and scrape/sand/chemically remove the dots yourself?

    I'm not condoning those who steal shit. I think they're scum, but just checking!
    First they would have to know the dots were luminescent (obviously over time they would), then they would have to know/understand the UV/Black light principle, and finally they would have to steal a black/uv light. Once searching for all the dots and trying to remove them, they would have to scrape off ALL the luminous lacquer (if police pick up luminous lacquer, it's obviously stolen even if there is no MicroDot).

    As I said, it only needs to prevent/convict once to make it worthwile in my books. Not all criminals are smart/studious enough to do all that. In fact, criminals are lazy by definition. Some are fatally stupid, you think criminals who leave their drivers licences at the scene are capable? (you read the odd story like that now and then)

    And besides, no security system is full-proof. This is an extra step, another deterrent, just to make it that little bit harder, possibly putting one person off. With a car alarm, couldn't a criminal just disable/remove it and/or tow the car away? That's identical to "buy yourself a black/UV light if you were thieving stuff and scrape/sand/chemically remove the dots yourself".

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    People DON'T record serial numbers!!! (how many of you lot have?).
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