The firearm thread

**imac** · 13th February 2012, 12:48

Go to the top. Joe Green, police HQ

**jono035** · 13th February 2012, 13:09

Originally Posted by Flip

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I'm having a bit of a nasty discussion with the local cops about firearms security.

Seems they don't like my E cat safe being installed in my workshop which is away from my house. It has to be installed in my "premises" to the act which they have taken to mean my home.

My workshop is a concrete and oamaru stone industural building with bars on the window and a heavy steel sliding door. It used to be a engineering machine shop. The safe is also in a locked concrete boiler room with a explosion proof steel door. The safe has its own internal battery alarm, and the building has a seperate monitored alarm. There are 3 flats above the workshop and two businnesses in front, so there are people around all the time. The businnsees have a security guard that comes around a couple of times a night also.

My house is a rented light timber construction building with no security and nobody around during the day.

Is there anybody at the firearms office sensible I can talk to?

When I got mine installed, it was in a detached garage on the same property. I asked a bunch of questions and the Arms Officer seemed mostly concerned with the idea that someone could get inside and start working on the safe without anyone knowing. Having it be your home is simply a way to make it more likely that someone can't work on it undetected. The only issues the AO had with my detached garage was that it had no alarm and that it was a joint garage with a low dividing wall that someone could hop over. His suggestion was simply to board up the area and stick an alarm in, although he didn't add that as a condition of the license. I ended up moving into a place that had an alarm and an attached garage.

Is it going to be a problem installing it in your house? Ultimately it may not make sense, but I just tried to think of it as an exercise in appeasing the AO, rather than of actual firearm safety.

Has the AO actually seen the workshop? Maybe try make an appointment with him to check the premises out. If you have a friendly chat with him, he might provide some answers as to what he's actually worried about (maybe the rental accommodation above it allowing a partially 'inside job' or something like that).

It's tough to say. The guy I was dealing with was pretty reasonable and up-front about what he was worried about and what he was trying to prevent.

**renegade master** · 14th February 2012, 09:39

Heading up to puhoi for a short ride and pint on Sunday afternoon (weather dependant), feel free to join me!

Meet at 2.30pm at the petrol station in old Albany village and head up sh17, then through owrea / wairewa up to puhoi. (to avoid the gravel).

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=23...ra=ls&t=h&z=11

**jasonu** · 17th February 2012, 17:51

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10786217

What did they have? Prolly a couple of slingshots and a slug gun...

**Winston001** · 18th February 2012, 23:16

Was watching Son of a Gun on Discovery. They were working on a Lottie which I eventually worked out was a Lahte L39 rifle. A Serious bit of equipment I'd never hear of.

20mm sniper antimateriel rifle. Makes the Barrett look ordinary.

**carver** · 19th February 2012, 12:19

It literally deformed, fell apart and got totally fucked up in my saiga, dont buy it

**Drunken Monkey** · 20th February 2012, 21:39

I have no trouble with it in the pump action.

**carver** · 21st February 2012, 12:17

Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey

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I have no trouble with it in the pump action.

those are from my saiga semi 410

**scumdog** · 21st February 2012, 19:10

Originally Posted by jasonu

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10786217

What did they have? Prolly a couple of slingshots and a slug gun...

A bit more than that is all I can say - and more than will be brought out in Court.

**Flip** · 1st April 2012, 21:11

Originally Posted by jono035

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When I got mine installed, it was in a detached garage on the same property. I asked a bunch of questions and the Arms Officer seemed mostly concerned with the idea that someone could get inside and start working on the safe without anyone knowing. Having it be your home is simply a way to make it more likely that someone can't work on it undetected. The only issues the AO had with my detached garage was that it had no alarm and that it was a joint garage with a low dividing wall that someone could hop over. His suggestion was simply to board up the area and stick an alarm in, although he didn't add that as a condition of the license. I ended up moving into a place that had an alarm and an attached garage.

Is it going to be a problem installing it in your house? Ultimately it may not make sense, but I just tried to think of it as an exercise in appeasing the AO, rather than of actual firearm safety.

Has the AO actually seen the workshop? Maybe try make an appointment with him to check the premises out. If you have a friendly chat with him, he might provide some answers as to what he's actually worried about (maybe the rental accommodation above it allowing a partially 'inside job' or something like that).

It's tough to say. The guy I was dealing with was pretty reasonable and up-front about what he was worried about and what he was trying to prevent.

Well the inspector finally came out.

He agreed that the workshop had several desireable features, the folks around 24-7, the securuty guard, the 12" thick concrete and stone building and the big heavy industural steel and wood door, bars on the windows that would be impossible to replicate in a house.

I explained to him that to me a premises was a building I was control of and a residence was a home and that the act said premises not residence. The issue now is the firearms inspector and the firearms officer who is based in Dunedin is not the same person.

**renegade master** · 2nd April 2012, 10:10

going hunting soon

should be a good trip

**cruza** · 2nd April 2012, 16:21

Originally Posted by Flip

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Well the inspector finally came out.

He agreed that the workshop had several desireable features, the folks around 24-7, the securuty guard, the 12" thick concrete and stone building and the big heavy industural steel and wood door, bars on the windows that would be impossible to replicate in a house.

I explained to him that to me a premises was a building I was control of and a residence was a home and that the act said premises not residence. The issue now is the firearms inspector and the firearms officer who is based in Dunedin is not the same person.

Hasn't been a problem in the past , several of my friends currently store their firearms at their work buildings in safes. All been approved.

**jono035** · 2nd April 2012, 16:28

Originally Posted by cruza

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Hasn't been a problem in the past , several of my friends currently store their firearms at their work buildings in safes. All been approved.

The main issue is that this is so dependent on the individual inspector and there is very little recourse. I've heard tell of one local AO who refuses to allow the use of Ramset bolts, chemsets have to be used regardless of whether they're appropriate or not.