Hogs and filtering

[s8306]

Hell yeah, had a gutsful of this shit-hole.
Sunny Richmond ............... yay

Love it down there.Will be passing through Richmond in feb 08.

[Hailwood]

To be extremely pedantic HOG is actually Harley Owners Group (which btw celebrates its 25th anniversary in 08..just a bit of useless info)..the generic term HOG is used to describe Harley-Davidsons and not other cruisers..not that there is anything wrong with other cruisers or sportsbikes for that matter...ok enough of the anal stuff......lane splitting on a Harley-Davidson depends on the ability of the rider rather than the bike...said before on this thread somewhere by a wise person. I have seen guys on club runs splitting on every model Harley-Davidson and some who refuse to do it....as to low speed stability...brilliant had a course recently where we had to ride figure 8s using clutch hand only no throttle at all..view of the road..no issues at all.

[The Lone Rider]

the generic term HOG is used to describe Harley-Davidsons and not other cruisers..

Maybe in NZ. But HOG comes from large motorcycles being called road hogs, as some are large enough to fill a whole lane width wise.

[doc]

Maybe in NZ. But HOG comes from large motorcycles being called road hogs, as some are large enough to fill a whole lane width wise.

I think if you check out the library of the Harley publications yee shall find the Harley Owners Group was originally a psuedo type motorcycle club and all rights to it usage etc were purchased by Harley Davidson marketing, the same was done with the original manufacturing of the Softail frame. Harley may not be the original inovator of the concept but they know how to recognise and market a fantastic peice of machinery. Why else would everyone try bagging them all the time. Sort of like "Penis Envy". ok Ray is that enough to get me into riding in 'Boobs on Bikes" parade

P.S. One of the major hazards for sprots bike riders in the US is comming across a HOG ride, and managing to get past them wobbling down the road because of the huge numbers on their rides, they create their own traffic chaos

[heyjoe]

It seems a bit picky if you ask me, as other (non-Hog) riders seemed to be OK with the title.

I have to disagree with you from my point of view. I have a 'cruiser' bike and would never describe it as a 'hog' as it is a term usually reserved (in my opinion) for Harley Davidson bikes. My experience has been that there are some HD owners with an attitude that other non HD bikes (and their riders) are inferior/insignificant and these HD owners even take on that attitude in the way they behave. So to be fair I see that 'hog' relates to their bikes and the history of the term as mentioned in a recent post. Hog is not a term that relates to my bike. It is not picky.

I am only commenting on your quote (above) and I am fully aware that there are many HD owners out there that who do not subscribe to the comments I make above. I have nothing against Harleys at all. A number of my friends ride them.

[peasea]

I am only commenting on your quote (above) and I am fully aware that there are many HD owners out there that who do not subscribe to the comments I make above. I have nothing against Harleys at all. A number of my friends ride them.

Some of my best friends are policemen.

[Edbear]

yea
reading this thread it does occur to me that there are as many variations of opinion about splitting and filtering among cruiser riders as there are among sprotsbike riders ................. mebbe it isn't about the bike - mebbe it's about the rider?

I think so. Some of us are better riders and some of us are more aggressive riders. It's also about the pillion, though! Last long ride the Missus and I did, we left in heavy traffic, but as it was only our second ride on the Boulevard, I was a bit cautious and the bike was certainly less stable at crawling speeds two-up!

However, I'd made the mistake of telling my wife previously that bikes were better in trafiic as they could lane-split! Naturally she was keen for me to show her just how easy it was... I was glad we didn't have an intercom as I think my ears would have gone numb! She was hitting me on the shoulders and yelling at me stuff like:

"I thought you said bikes could lane-split!" "Look at that bike, he's getting through! Follow him!" and "Why don't you go through there!"

Finally she yelled, "Let ME drive!" Okay, after that I got a bit more "adventurous"! But the Boulevard is wide and while very stable solo, with the Missus dancing around on the pillion seat getting all excited, I was wobbling a bit and didn't want to risk scratching a car...

[The Lone Rider]

I have to disagree with you from my point of view. I have a 'cruiser' bike and would never describe it as a 'hog' as it is a term usually reserved (in my opinion) for Harley Davidson bikes. My experience has been that there are some HD owners with an attitude that other non HD bikes (and their riders) are inferior/insignificant and these HD owners even take on that attitude in the way they behave. So to be fair I see that 'hog' relates to their bikes and the history of the term as mentioned in a recent post. Hog is not a term that relates to my bike. It is not picky.

I am only commenting on your quote (above) and I am fully aware that there are many HD owners out there that who do not subscribe to the comments I make above. I have nothing against Harleys at all. A number of my friends ride them.

Bringing up the dead...

Being rather anal about it, and for some unexplained reason it rather pisses me off that people "here" seem have the standard that HOG means Harley, I did some research.

HOG by definition is not a Harley or person who owns one. Originally it came from the 1920s from a group of men known as the "hog boys" who was winning a lot of races and were known for taking a live pig for a victory lap on a harley.

Recognizing a marketing plot when they see one, HD created H.O.G. as an ancroynm for the Harley club started in 1983.

By a vast number of people who ride Harleys, they consider HOG to be sole "property" of Harley and it's riders, however Harley tried to tried to trademark "HOG" (and all relating to it) in the motorcycle industry. This was rejected as the term HOG was publicly synonymous with larger cruiser style motorcycles, NOT Harley Davidsons exclusively. Harley owns no rights to "HOG" except in the ownership of a organization called HOG.

The closest to any out right and exclusivity of HOG being a term of Harley Davidson, is when they changed their New York Stock Exchange "ticker" abbreviation from HDI to HOG.

This is what I've found via research. Also checked several dictionaries and encyclopedias.

The American Heritage Dictionary: A big heavy motorcycle
LoveToKnow Online Dictionary: A large heavy motorcycle
Encarta: a large powerful motorcycle or any large car or truck that consumes a large amount of gas ( slang )


As I've said before from my own experience in living in USA for 13 years, is that HOG stands for a road hog - large bike that takes up a full lane and plenty of space.

Theres a rather good read (opinion/monologue kinda thing)that was published in Time magazine that talks about Harley's but the general write up is about large bikes, not Harleys.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...9839-1,00.html

Wish I could provide some decent citations. I of course also have read plenty about other HOGs and feel rather full of various useless information about HOG tieing, hog dogging, and hog heaven

Feel free to call your large road warrior of a bike a HOG in my home anytime :P

[Tank]

That was really interesting - thanks.

I wont call my bike a HOG tho' because of all the people that would think Im trying to pass the bike off as something its not.

[RDJ]

Interesting background to the term, thanks for the research. Never knew the origin of 'HOG' before.

Of my three bikes, one is very obviously a Harley, one is not-obviously-a-Harley but still is (it's a V-rod) and one is very obviously not a Harley. Riding different bikes wearing the same gear, with the same riding style, it's interesting to see the different reactions especially from other riders.

My 'widest' commuter bike is just 3" wider than the V-rod. On all three bikes I have set up the mirrors so they are the widest thing on the bike. If the mirrors are going to go through a gap easily, the rest will follow. But the heaviest bike is difficult to filter simply because it is so heavy (1500lb wet weight); the V-rod is the bike for great weather cruising and I don't filter when not meeting deadlines - so the Dyna does all the filtering to and from work.

In my experience most road users are pretty courteous with / tolerant of filtering, as long as we don't appear out of nowhere and startle them or cut things too fine.

[Hailwood]

Most impressive Llama Sola...now stand corrected and am happy to be so....much bling awarded for the effort into the research

[scumdog]

Some of my best friends are policemen.

Still????

Hope ya had a good Christmas Pete - and the New Year is a good one for ya!

[Badger8]

Made the mistake of using the term Hog as a generalisation for a cruiser once, and got repremanded in short order. In my mind it had always just meant a big beautiful crusier, never had any connotations of exclusivity to Harley's. I tend not to use it just cause it draws less abuse from those protective over the term (whether or not they have any claim to it at all)

[GrayWolf]

another 'version' of where the name "HOG' originated

Quote: "In 1969, American Machine and Foundry (AMF) bought the company, streamlined production, and slashed the workforce. This tactic resulted in a labor strike and a lower quality of bikes. The bikes were expensive and inferior in performance, handling, and quality to Japanese motorcycles. Sales and quality declined, and the company almost went bankrupt.[4] The "Harley-Davidson" name was mocked as "Hardly Ableson", "Hardly Driveable," and "Hogly Ferguson",[41][42] and the nickname "Hog" became pejorative.[citation needed]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson

"Where did the nickname "HOG" come from?
Origin of "Hog" nickname
Beginning in 1920, a team of farm boys, including Ray Weishaar, who became known as the "hog boys," consistently won races. The group had a hog, or pig as their mascot. Following a win, they would put the pig (a real one) on the back of their Harley and take a victory lap. In 1983, the Motor Company formed a club for owners of its product taking advantage of the long-standing nickname by turning "hog" into the acronym H.O.G., for Harley Owners Group. Harley-Davidson attempted to trademark "hog", but lost a case against an independent Harley-Davidson specialist, The Hog Farm of West Seneca, NY, in 1999 when the appellate panel ruled that "hog" had become a generic term for large motorcycles and was therefore unprotectable as a trademark.
On August 15, 2006, Harley Davidson Inc. had its NYSE ticker symbol changed from HDI to HOG.

http://spencek-harleydavidsonmotorcy...come-from.html

[The Lone Rider]

another 'version' of where the name "HOG' originated

Well no, it's not. You've reposted most of what was already posted, except for the dictionary definitions.