Cheesecutter campaign

[sunhuntin]

hell, i think if something like that was planned, i might be convinced to take a weekend off work and ride up with you lot! LOL.

[Quasievil]

We did a big protest ride and blocked a lane at least, had media coverage tv etc the whole show...............nought happened however

[carver]

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We did a big protest ride and blocked a lane at least, had media coverage tv etc the whole show...............nought happened however

my time in politics taught me you got to be in the long haul to make things happen..
keep at it and things may change

[Quasievil]

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my time in politics taught me you got to be in the long haul to make things happen..
keep at it and things may change

nah got better things to do frankly

[pyrocam]

something I have discovered recently is that certain 'in progress' bills can get reset when there is a change of government (eg http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=80087)

I have a friend in the beehive looking at where we are at with our current request and if there is nothing, maybe its time to re-approach the new government?

will it take another horrific death for anyone to do anything about it?

[Pixie]

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http://rideforever.co.nz/road_awaren...dous_road.html

Interesting that WRB have not been included in this ACC safety message.
Seems all other barrier types will maim you/kill you, but no mention of the cheese cutter.
Hmmmmm, something smells.

WRB's are the exception,of course.Contact with them is like wafting on to a bed of rose petals and being licked by kittens.

[carver]

i quite enjoy throwing empty beer bottles at them out of the car

[MSTRS:Me]

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Correct.
As regards my responding email (as you quoted), no reply was forthcoming. I have send a 'reminder'...

Finally - a response. This bloke sounds quite open to reason, but his 'official' advice (as usual) leaves a lot to be desired. I know he is being lied to by NZTA - the bloke in Paraparaumu who was developing safety covers was sent packing, but it's not public knowledge as such - so difficult to cite as proof of lies. Can anyone else come up with provable examples?

[steve_t]

So does that say that wire barriers are favoured because in an emergency, vehicles can drive over/through them?

[R6_kid:Me]

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So does that say that wire barriers are favoured because in an emergency, vehicles can drive over/through them?

They can be temporarily taken down so that a diversion of traffic can be made. They can also be fixed fairly quickly once any crash investigation has taken place.

After doing a small study on the barriers for a university project I strongly believe that what we should be fighting for is the installation of protective sheathing on ALL barriers, both wire rope and W-section. The wire rope barrier actually does its job really well, just that it's design is to stop cars and small trucks. The addition of the sheathing actually does a number of things

1. Makes it safer for cars
2. Makes it MUCH safer for bikers
3. Helps contain debris in when a vehicle collides with the barrier

There are NO disadvantages to installing the sheathing other than the cost and time, but that is to be expected. They are not expensive as such, just that it is an added cost to the existing system. However it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the benefits are worth the money.

[Ixion]

I had a meeting today with Ms Darien Fenton the labour Shadow Minister on Transport Safety . She was interested in the cheesecutter campaign. She knew of it . And her husband is apparently a new biker (or maybe a BAB). And a young chick in the office knew about Daniel (volunteered his name) . She has asked for literature and information and indicated that she wants to harass the government on the subject. I will send her what I have - anyone else who has material , her email is darien.fenton@parliament.govt.nz Don't hold your breath - her predecessor Harry was the guy who sat on his hands. But dripping water will wear away the most obdurate stone.

[steve_t]

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I had a meeting today with Ms Darien Fenton the labour Shadow Minister on Transport Safety . She was interested in the cheesecutter campaign. She knew of it . And her husband is apparently a new biker (or maybe a BAB). And a young chick in the office knew about Daniel (volunteered his name) . She has asked for literature and information and indicated that she wants to harass the government on the subject. I will send her what I have - anyone else who has material , her email is darien.fenton@parliament.govt.nz Don't hold your breath - her predecessor Harry was the guy who sat on his hands. But dripping water will wear away the most obdurate stone.

Great!! A biker (related person) on the inside! This should help speed things along... as fast as anything can go in politics

[Ixion]

Got a bigger one that her. Phil goff is an ex biker .

And claims it "is still a passion"

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... Oh, I don't know. He [Goff] is quite keen to tell me that people are surprised to hear he rode big motorbikes "for most of my life, and that's still a passion". ..

Full story http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10579633

EDIT:

Nortons apparently. But he's sold it.

[Ocean1]

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They can be temporarily taken down so that a diversion of traffic can be made.

Aye, they can. By closing the road completely in order to comply with safety regulations, (yes, even where there IS the 7M median recommended for WRBs). And then calling the specially trained personel (from wherever they might happen to be), who will then spend several hours using the special equipment (which, with luck, won't be too many hours drive away).

Long before any of this, of course, the scene of the crime is utterly innaccesible due to terminal traffic congestion. It has therefore at no time ever actually happened in any timeframe that can reasonably be said to be any more beneficial to traffic flow than, say, asking the same tow truck that arrived to dispose of the wrecks to shuffle a couple of concrete barriers around. Just as a random example.

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They can also be fixed fairly quickly once any crash investigation has taken place.

As opposed to, say, concrete barriers, (to take yet another purely random example), which don't actually need fixing at all. At most a quick nudge with that same tow truck to re-align them...

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The wire rope barrier actually does its job really well, just that it's design is to stop cars and small trucks.

They do a good job in some cases. They'd do a better job over a wider range of incidents if they were installed as per generally accepted guidelines. I don't believe they offer any performance benefits compared to, say, concrete barriers.

For example.

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There are NO disadvantages to installing the sheathing other than the cost and time, but that is to be expected. They are not expensive as such, just that it is an added cost to the existing system.

Probably right. Except ANY extra costs associated with WRB installation would make them more expensive than, for example.... Oh I duno, say, concrete barriers. Which don't need any fucking additional costs.

[RiderInBlack]

"Centennial Highway where a WRWB was fitted, there was not enough room for a concrete barrier" Steven Joyce MOT.

And yet we have a very movable concrete barrier on the Auckland Harbour Bridge Not enough room What a load of twaddle.